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Deceptive Practice? Posting other photographers images as your own

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Doug Mac65597 said:
Not surprising since he just bought his first real digital (an E20)
about just a month or two ago, and was talking about trying to make
money in photography back then as well. Now all of a sudden he's a
full-fledged professional photographer. Climbs the ladder rather
quickly.
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Yeah, back in March...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2448751
Doug Mac65597 said:
It's a classic case of someone with no experience nor willingness
to work hard towards that goal wanting to be a "pro" overnight,
thinking buying a nifty camera and setting up a slick website will
overnight make the money and prestige come rolling in.
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And here...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2308695

Apparently the pictures just happen. No skill necessary. I guess if they came from a clip-art disk, he's right.
Finally...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2347216

In the final messsage, he said he was going to list on various wedding sites. Any clients that come through there are not going to know they're being deceived, unfortunately.

He's also fond of the quote 'I am told that pro photography is "30% photography and 70% business and marketing skills". '
Apparently one of those skills is not business ethics.
 
I knew something seemed off! In my post (on that thread), I kind of hinted that they looked a little too poised and perfect, rather like stock shots. That was my vibe, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and even trying to be helpful. I really didn't think someone would stoop that low. But the site design didn't match the caliber of the shots. Anybody with wedding pictures that well shot, plus obviously a good client base could easily afford a decent site designer. God, that really pisses me off! It's times like that I wish photography had a licensing and accredidation requirements to weed out the deceptive people like that.

Josef
SRHookEm said:
I have no problem showing the site. Look at this thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=3154829

This guy was just posting a few months ago that he bought a new
digital camera and wanted to shoot weddings! Now he has this web
site.

Take a look and post what you think!
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You've gone and got me all PO'ed. Though not being a wedding photographer, I've got over 10 years as an advertising/magazine pro and nothing peeve's me more than to see people take for granted what others have busted their juevos creating. Not only has this guy lied (he acted like he had 'staff' photographers that took the images), he has taken someone else's images and pretended like somehow he had a creative hand in them. I don't even know what to say other than sham artists like this need to be whipped with a long wet camera strap.

JA

ps. that's 'shoot'
SRHookEm said:
SRHookEm said:
Not surprising since he just bought his first real digital (an E20)
about just a month or two ago, and was talking about trying to make
money in photography back then as well. Now all of a sudden he's a
full-fledged professional photographer. Climbs the ladder rather
quickly.
Click to expand...
Yeah, back in March...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2448751
SRHookEm said:
It's a classic case of someone with no experience nor willingness
to work hard towards that goal wanting to be a "pro" overnight,
thinking buying a nifty camera and setting up a slick website will
overnight make the money and prestige come rolling in.
Click to expand...
And here...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2308695

Apparently the pictures just happen. No skill necessary. I guess if
they came from a clip-art disk, he's right.
Finally...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2347216

In the final messsage, he said he was going to list on various
wedding sites. Any clients that come through there are not going to
know they're being deceived, unfortunately.

He's also fond of the quote 'I am told that pro photography is "30%
photography and 70% business and marketing skills". '
Apparently one of those skills is not business ethics.
Click to expand...
 
SRHookEm said:
SRHookEm said:
Not surprising since he just bought his first real digital (an E20)
about just a month or two ago, and was talking about trying to make
money in photography back then as well. Now all of a sudden he's a
full-fledged professional photographer. Climbs the ladder rather
quickly.
Click to expand...
Yeah, back in March...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2448751
SRHookEm said:
It's a classic case of someone with no experience nor willingness
to work hard towards that goal wanting to be a "pro" overnight,
thinking buying a nifty camera and setting up a slick website will
overnight make the money and prestige come rolling in.
Click to expand...
And here...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2308695

Apparently the pictures just happen. No skill necessary. I guess if
they came from a clip-art disk, he's right.
Finally...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2347216

In the final messsage, he said he was going to list on various
wedding sites. Any clients that come through there are not going to
know they're being deceived, unfortunately.

He's also fond of the quote 'I am told that pro photography is "30%
photography and 70% business and marketing skills". '
Apparently one of those skills is not business ethics.
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To be a photographer is to be an artist...as artist we are
proud to create and present original work...
Any photographer posting images on their website (or portfolio)
which are not theirs is not only cheating themselves but
their clients..
Sure you can cheat a client once...but when the images taken by
you do not reflect the images on the site....you have lost a client...
I often look at other photographers work,,,,ads,,,,paintings,,,billboards
and use it as a source of inspiration...but never mislead someone
by posting such work on my site...
I truly pity those photographers who lack the creative ability to
create and post their own images...
Many clients have hired me due to the images on my site or
portfolio,,,,and that is a huge compliment when you are
hired because of images that have impressed a client...
JUST MY THOUGHTS....
Best wishes,
Michael

--
http://www.creativeedgephoto.com/Dreams/Dreams.html
http://www.creativeedgephoto.com
 
I was not going to respond but I will say a few words.

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7 years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual.

Wedding photography is a woman's business; for the most part by women.

Today's brides are not stupid; they would not hire someone because they saw a website. Every weekend my wife shoots weddings; she puts them on line right afterwards; the prospective brides see several complete weddings before hiring her.

A few words about this site and men in general.

This site is inhabited mainly by men; for the most part American women consider men as morons and my wife is no exception. A reveiw of this thread clearly shows that they are witless twits.

According to stats 61% of the men in USA have not had a female contact in at least one year... other than their mothers. On this site it is 90%. Sexually repressed men and it shows.
Why I say that?

Because my wife finds the men here repgunet, along with most other women in this country who seem to feel the same way about men in general.

She would not post here takes issues with that fact that I occasionally do.

She only deals with the brides rarely with the groom; small wonder. Most brides will NOT hire a man wedding photographer; though I admit there are exeptions. She is the one who deals with the brides; I have enough intelligence not to.

For her business is good, she is hiring two more associates; they would not be men.

Amerian men have a lot to learn about basic manners; it is quite obvious heer. It does not take rocket scientist to know why American women don't want anything to do with them.

This will be my only post on the matter.

Mark
 
Mark Dante said:
I was not going to respond but I will say a few words.

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7
years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs
on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty
in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones
who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual.

Wedding photography is a woman's business; for the most part by women.

Today's brides are not stupid; they would not hire someone because
they saw a website. Every weekend my wife shoots weddings; she puts
them on line right afterwards; the prospective brides see several
complete weddings before hiring her.

A few words about this site and men in general.

This site is inhabited mainly by men; for the most part American
women consider men as morons and my wife is no exception. A reveiw
of this thread clearly shows that they are witless twits.

According to stats 61% of the men in USA have not had a female
contact in at least one year... other than their mothers. On this
site it is 90%. Sexually repressed men and it shows.
Why I say that?
Because my wife finds the men here repgunet, along with most other
women in this country who seem to feel the same way about men in
general.

She would not post here takes issues with that fact that I
occasionally do.

She only deals with the brides rarely with the groom; small wonder.
Most brides will NOT hire a man wedding photographer; though I
admit there are exeptions. She is the one who deals with the
brides; I have enough intelligence not to.

For her business is good, she is hiring two more associates; they
would not be men.

Amerian men have a lot to learn about basic manners; it is quite
obvious heer. It does not take rocket scientist to know why
American women don't want anything to do with them.

This will be my only post on the matter.

Mark
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Thank you for clarifying your positiion, doctor Zaki. You have made it quite clear your perspective and disrespect for the members of the forum and for the industry in general.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
 
Jim DeLuco said:
Mark Dante said:
I was not going to respond but I will say a few words.

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7
years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs
on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty
in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones
who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual.

Wedding photography is a woman's business; for the most part by women.

Today's brides are not stupid; they would not hire someone because
they saw a website. Every weekend my wife shoots weddings; she puts
them on line right afterwards; the prospective brides see several
complete weddings before hiring her.

A few words about this site and men in general.

This site is inhabited mainly by men; for the most part American
women consider men as morons and my wife is no exception. A reveiw
of this thread clearly shows that they are witless twits.

According to stats 61% of the men in USA have not had a female
contact in at least one year... other than their mothers. On this
site it is 90%. Sexually repressed men and it shows.
Why I say that?
Because my wife finds the men here repgunet, along with most other
women in this country who seem to feel the same way about men in
general.

She would not post here takes issues with that fact that I
occasionally do.

She only deals with the brides rarely with the groom; small wonder.
Most brides will NOT hire a man wedding photographer; though I
admit there are exeptions. She is the one who deals with the
brides; I have enough intelligence not to.

For her business is good, she is hiring two more associates; they
would not be men.

Amerian men have a lot to learn about basic manners; it is quite
obvious heer. It does not take rocket scientist to know why
American women don't want anything to do with them.

This will be my only post on the matter.

Mark
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Thank you for clarifying your positiion, doctor Zaki. You have
made it quite clear your perspective and disrespect for the members
of the forum and for the industry in general.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
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Doctor Zaki, you profess to feel that American men are witless twits and we are ignorant, I guess. You're welcome to your opinion of course, but you should re-read some of your replies here. Why did you ask for our assistance and opinions? Why did you thank us for our opinions when given...and take some of the suggestions?

How disrespectful are you being to American women in your business, since you market your deception to them. You say they are smart enough to know that the images on your site are not yours? How do you know this? Have you done a survey, Doctor? Do you tell these potential clients as they walk thru the door that these images are not your studio's images?
Your colors are quite clear, Doctor. I guess you just can't help yourself.

See you a the next PPAM seminar.

Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
 
I don't want to belabour the point.

The fact is that men photographers are threatened by women photographers who are now taking over the profession. They are or soon will be out of their jobs.
They choose to spread inunedo and rumors to discredit them.

As I stated American brides are not stupid; they have seen this pattern over and over everywhere and from what my wife tells me, they want nothing to do with this kind.

Mark
Jim DeLuco said:
Mark Dante said:
I was not going to respond but I will say a few words.

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7
years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs
on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty
in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones
who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual.

Wedding photography is a woman's business; for the most part by women.

Today's brides are not stupid; they would not hire someone because
they saw a website. Every weekend my wife shoots weddings; she puts
them on line right afterwards; the prospective brides see several
complete weddings before hiring her.

A few words about this site and men in general.

This site is inhabited mainly by men; for the most part American
women consider men as morons and my wife is no exception. A reveiw
of this thread clearly shows that they are witless twits.

According to stats 61% of the men in USA have not had a female
contact in at least one year... other than their mothers. On this
site it is 90%. Sexually repressed men and it shows.
Why I say that?
Because my wife finds the men here repgunet, along with most other
women in this country who seem to feel the same way about men in
general.

She would not post here takes issues with that fact that I
occasionally do.

She only deals with the brides rarely with the groom; small wonder.
Most brides will NOT hire a man wedding photographer; though I
admit there are exeptions. She is the one who deals with the
brides; I have enough intelligence not to.

For her business is good, she is hiring two more associates; they
would not be men.

Amerian men have a lot to learn about basic manners; it is quite
obvious heer. It does not take rocket scientist to know why
American women don't want anything to do with them.

This will be my only post on the matter.

Mark
Click to expand...
Thank you for clarifying your positiion, doctor Zaki. You have
made it quite clear your perspective and disrespect for the members
of the forum and for the industry in general.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
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The issue was whether or not the images on your website were done by your studio. In your own words: "

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7 years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual."

Well, if you don't shoot weddings, and MOST of the photos on the website were taken by your wife, then that leaves SOME that were not. Were they taken by your assistants or somebody else you hired? If not, then there is some deception going on.
 
Oh Good Grief! I am an American woman. I have been an American bride. I have worked in photographic laboratories that cator to portrait and wedding photographers, so have had much contact with wedding photographers over the years. I don't care one iota if a photographer is a man or a woman. All I care about is if they are good. End of story.

Kristi
Mark Dante said:
As I stated American brides are not stupid; they have seen this
pattern over and over everywhere and from what my wife tells me,
they want nothing to do with this kind.

Mark
Jim DeLuco said:
Mark Dante said:
I was not going to respond but I will say a few words.

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7
years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs
on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty
in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones
who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual.

Wedding photography is a woman's business; for the most part by women.

Today's brides are not stupid; they would not hire someone because
they saw a website. Every weekend my wife shoots weddings; she puts
them on line right afterwards; the prospective brides see several
complete weddings before hiring her.

A few words about this site and men in general.

This site is inhabited mainly by men; for the most part American
women consider men as morons and my wife is no exception. A reveiw
of this thread clearly shows that they are witless twits.

According to stats 61% of the men in USA have not had a female
contact in at least one year... other than their mothers. On this
site it is 90%. Sexually repressed men and it shows.
Why I say that?
Because my wife finds the men here repgunet, along with most other
women in this country who seem to feel the same way about men in
general.

She would not post here takes issues with that fact that I
occasionally do.

She only deals with the brides rarely with the groom; small wonder.
Most brides will NOT hire a man wedding photographer; though I
admit there are exeptions. She is the one who deals with the
brides; I have enough intelligence not to.

For her business is good, she is hiring two more associates; they
would not be men.

Amerian men have a lot to learn about basic manners; it is quite
obvious heer. It does not take rocket scientist to know why
American women don't want anything to do with them.

This will be my only post on the matter.

Mark
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Thank you for clarifying your positiion, doctor Zaki. You have
made it quite clear your perspective and disrespect for the members
of the forum and for the industry in general.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
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Mark Dante said:
I don't want to belabour the point.
The fact is that men photographers are threatened by women
photographers who are now taking over the profession. They are or
soon will be out of their jobs.
They choose to spread inunedo and rumors to discredit them.

As I stated American brides are not stupid; they have seen this
pattern over and over everywhere and from what my wife tells me,
they want nothing to do with this kind.

Mark
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Thank you for changing the subject....but let's not belabour the point. How about those photos by other photographers? Who are you kidding? Instead of calling names, why don't you respond to the issue at hand? Why do you post images by other photographers and not provide credit or copyright information? Is this the way business is done in Europe? I don't think so.

Let's hear from some European photographers. Are Mark's opinions shared?

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
 
Jim:

I do not want to get into a shouting match with you; that is your styile not mine. I was not going to respond at all.

I have already stated what I have to say; I have nothing more to say.

With regard to your motives; these are clear.

While my wife is hiring two more associates, whose bios and photos will appear on line shortly; you are a one man operation that is about to close.

You are not closing? Yeah right! My wife is busy working, you are busy behind a keyboard.

Obviously flipping burgers at McDaonald is not a very pleasant thought for you and you take that out by spreading rumors about your women competitors.

I don't think that would change your fate.

Mark
Jim DeLuco said:
Mark Dante said:
I don't want to belabour the point.
The fact is that men photographers are threatened by women
photographers who are now taking over the profession. They are or
soon will be out of their jobs.
They choose to spread inunedo and rumors to discredit them.

As I stated American brides are not stupid; they have seen this
pattern over and over everywhere and from what my wife tells me,
they want nothing to do with this kind.

Mark
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Thank you for changing the subject....but let's not belabour the
point. How about those photos by other photographers? Who are you
kidding? Instead of calling names, why don't you respond to the
issue at hand? Why do you post images by other photographers and
not provide credit or copyright information? Is this the way
business is done in Europe? I don't think so.

Let's hear from some European photographers. Are Mark's opinions
shared?

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
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--
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Mark Dante said:
Jim:

I do not want to get into a shouting match with you; that is your
styile not mine. I was not going to respond at all.

I have already stated what I have to say; I have nothing more to say.

With regard to your motives; these are clear.

While my wife is hiring two more associates, whose bios and photos
will appear on line shortly; you are a one man operation that is
about to close.

You are not closing? Yeah right! My wife is busy working, you are
busy behind a keyboard.

Obviously flipping burgers at McDaonald is not a very pleasant
thought for you and you take that out by spreading rumors about
your women competitors.

I don't think that would change your fate.

Mark
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Yes, shouting is not your style...name-calling and deception are your style, Doctor. You still do not respond to the question about the posting of someone else's photos. Do you feel this is deceptive? Am I to believe that your justification is in the statement about how much business you are doing and how you are going to drive all the male photographers out of business? You have said twice now that you have nothing more to add, but continue to post statements that have nothing to do with the questions about your site's photos.

My motives are VERY clear and it has nothing to do with competition. It has to do with your marketing practices and OUR profession...NOT YOUR's.

Did you not join professional organizations that require you to adhere to certain standards? Are you upholding those standards?

By the way, PPA, PPAM and WPPI are all run by us witless twits, as you call us...the Americans. I'm sure they will be happy to know just how you feel about us.

Let me ask another question, Doctor? Why did you call me a couple of months ago and ask to assist me at some weddings? Was it because you thought you'd like my company? If your photographers are so experienced, why do you need to asssist someone else? Why not just assist your own photographers?

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
 
Many of us are following this thread with bated breath and just want some honest answers to the authenticity of the photos on the "afineimage" web site. Mark, maybe you could shed some light on this for the many of us who care. I figure if they are authentic you would have made that point by now ... but the other way to save face is just to admit that some of them are not original, agree you made a mistake in your haste to aggressively market your company, change the images and move on. Complaints to the professional organizations where you hold membership may catch up to you if there is deception as part of your web site.

CharlieMcD

If there's no passion in life - there's no life!
 
Charlie:

I have said that before; most of the images on the website were shot by my wife; some were not. I see no problems with that. Our clients will be the judge. I don't need to justify our business practices; and I have no intention of changing anything.

My wife meets with the brides; she provides them with a lot more information.

We run our business our way, you should run yours.

I am flabergasted at the motive behind this which is the fact that most male photographers are being driven out of business by women photographers, and these losers are clamping on straws.

And in the worst imitation of you, I have myself become as ill mannered as you are.

Mind your own business; and it you can't get a job look for another line of work.

Mark
Charlie McDonald said:
Many of us are following this thread with bated breath and just
want some honest answers to the authenticity of the photos on the
"afineimage" web site. Mark, maybe you could shed some light on
this for the many of us who care. I figure if they are authentic
you would have made that point by now ... but the other way to save
face is just to admit that some of them are not original, agree you
made a mistake in your haste to aggressively market your company,
change the images and move on. Complaints to the professional
organizations where you hold membership may catch up to you if
there is deception as part of your web site.

CharlieMcD

If there's no passion in life - there's no life!
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