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Looking at the specs on the new S200EXR, I couldn't help but think it embodies a lot of the stuff wanted on the FZ60. The lens is slower at the long end, but noise ought to be quite low as the S100fs was pretty good in that area. No idea if the CA on the S100fs has been cured. The hot shoe isn't dedicated, but there is one. The lens is manual zoom, and it's usefully wider than the FZ50.
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I doubt that Fuji cured the CA, as they would crow about it in the press release.
Panasonic does it in camera using the Venus engine, as I am sure you know.

It may even be patented, as I don't know any other vendor that suppresses CA in the camera like Panasonic.

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Nikon suppresses CA & PF in-camera on the D5000, D90 and higher models. They do an even better job than Panasonic as edges where CA has been removed are sharper. However, I don't know of anyone else that does it on a P&S model.

Fuji could improve their lens by redesigning it to use ED and ULD glass, which would help a lot.
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Nah, still too big and heavy.

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Fuji have cut a lot of corners with this new model taking the 16% smaller sensor from an existing product (f200exr) and using the lens from the previous s100fs model, adding a few software tricks.

Whether CA has been addressed by software remains to be seen. It is also worth noting the press release states there will be no RAW converter until November "CCD RAW files captured by S200EXR cannot be converted with FinePixViewer included in the CD-ROM. Updater of FinePixViewer for conversion of CCD RAW files will be available from Nov, 2009"

As a S100fs user I can state that CA has never been the major problem but rather the slow f/5.3 lens and slow erratic focusing. The camera weight has been lowered from 918 to either 865gm or 835 gm depending on which page you view on.
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with that puny .2" EVF that I believe is half the size of our FZ30/50 EVF in a body probably 25% larger than an FZ...

I don't get this newest trend towards tiny EVF's in huge cameras nor did I when they made them so small in the smaller cams that used to have larger EVF's... Even if the rez is the same or even higher, if it's half as big, it can't be much easier to see or better... MF'ing has got to be like pixel-peeping a thumbnail.... No point in that at all....
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Rossuziers said:
with that puny .2" EVF that I believe is half the size of our FZ30/50 EVF in a body probably 25% larger than an FZ...
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That's the EVF LCD size. The size of view isn't really smaller, maybe even larger.

The main problems of the EVF are distortion (due to the much higher mafnification) and the smearing/blurring when moving around, due to the sequential technology used, unrelated to size.
 
I've ben doing a little looking at DPR tests since I first posted. Mostly at the studio shot in the "compared to.."). I looked at the shots from the S100fs, the 200EXR, FZ28, and the SX10IS. The chromatic aberration on the S100fs is no worse than the SX10IS, maybe a little better. The FZ28 shows very little CA thanks to the Venus Engine IV, which removes it. The Fuji 200EXR shows none at all, zero. Quite remarkable!

Further, the 200EXR shots show very sharply defined edges where CA is noticeable on other cameras. Look at the Leica lens mount area. Those same areas show softer edges on the FZ28 shot.

It looks very much like Fuji is using CA removal in their processing and they have it really fine tuned. If they are, I don't know why they aren't advertising it, except maybe that's a provision of a licensing agreement that lets them use it.
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I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think Nikon is advertising it for it's superzooms either, but their latest offerings (P90?) do incorporate it too, that I do know for sure.
 
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I doubt that Fuji cured the CA, as they would crow about it in the press release.
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Interestingly enough, there is some crowing in the release for the F70:

" It’s all in the lens

"Long zoom compacts depend heavily on the quality of the optics, so no expense has been spared to provide the FinePix F70EXR with the sharpest, clearest Fujinon 10x zoom lens. The lens of F70EXR features Super Electronic Beam Coating (EBC). The original coating system of Fujinon that keeps ghosting and flare to minimum to promise optimal picture quality. Enabled by making the reflection to low level even under extensive wavelength with special coating structure. At the same time, newly designed complex aspheric lens and original lens driving unit promises minimum color aberration all in a slim body."

However, there is nothing along these lines for the s200. Indeed, the press release reads as if it is the same lens as in the s100.

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Hmm! Was there similar crowing about the 200EXR? It produces very clean images.
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Nah, still too big and heavy.

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No articulated LCD and no TTL Flash are the deal-breakers for me. Weight & size don't matter to me so much.
Alas, still no FZ50 replacement in sight ... rats!
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To me Fuji seem to be showing all the signs of a company under stress. They have had 18 months to develop this new model and all they seem to have done is a cut and paste job from the existing line up. A 16% smaller sensor and no RAW converter until November. Surely they would not be dumb enough to produce a new the model with the same CA issues as the old one?

When you look closely at the fuji forum, it is one of the slowest forums around taking up to 4 days for the first page to turnover, - that is one sick puppy.
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Kevin Coppalotti wrote:

Surely they would not be dumb enough to produce a new the model with the same CA issues as the old one?

--Wouldn't it be nice if there was simply someone we could ask? Yeah...good luck with that. Depending on who you ask, the problem is somewhere between "terrible" and "non-existent".

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Kevin Coppalotti wrote:

Surely they would not be dumb enough to produce a new the model with the same CA issues as the old one?

--Wouldn't it be nice if there was simply someone we could ask? Yeah...good luck with that. Depending on who you ask, the problem is somewhere between "terrible" and "non-existent".

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CA is there for sure in the old model but I found it is easy to manage in Lightroom which has a special tool for that type of problem. Panny used to be cursed as the 'noisy' brand for years and everyone zoomed into shadow areas looking for noise, and so it is with the s100fs, everyone zooms up the images looking for trouble in the form of CA.

The biggest problem I found with this cam is the slow lens (f5.3) and slow erratic focus, especially noticeable in low light.

Fuji is not a camera I would 'pre order' sight unseen, it is a 'wait and see' proposition until Phil and his team here run their tests on it. The fact that there will be no RAW converter until November is reason enough to be patient.

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Kevin Coppalotti said:
When you look closely at the fuji forum, it is one of the slowest forums around taking up to 4 days for the first page to turnover, - that is one sick puppy.
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From personal experience, I think the Fuji owners are all out using their cameras instead of chit-chatting on forums. By far...FAR...Fuji is the superzoom camera that I see the most out in the real world -- not Nikon, not Canon, and other than looking at myself in the mirror I don't think I've ever seen someone with a Panasonic in the real world. The forum may be slow, but I don't think sales of their point-n-shoots are.

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All I know is that, "The FinePix S200EXR – EXR Sensor Pushes Bridge Quality to New Levels" is a flat out shame that any bridge camera getting headlines doesn't have a Panasonic logo on it.

Panasonic climbed Mount Everest and then decided to settle down and just go for day-walks in gated neighborhoods.

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