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You are right on target. I am a new to this forum but not new to photography. I am sick and D*mn tire of paging through the most stupid and redundant post. Same ole Sh*t different day.

The major topics that get the most attention tend to be "underexposure", "550EX", "Slow AF", "What Lens to get" blah blah blah.

Recently I just got ticked off and flame a poster. (sorry) And then I got flamed back. (no problem, I get thick skin).

The Janksta

or as fastlane calls me "The Jerkster"
becomingx said:
starting to tick me off too, you see 200 replies to some stupid
post about people arguing. yet you post a simple question and no
one can answer it. i've posted 2 questions worded differently, i've
also replied to another asking a similar question saying my
situation neither of us have got answered.

yet people bragging about something they have or L glass, or d60
underexposure, or slow AF blahblahblah. i don't even click on
those anymore but its a waste of my time having to sort through
them.

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--
Canon EOS-D30
Canon 50 f1.8
Canon 28-105 f3.5-4.5
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I had one briefly but it would not sync correctly as a slave to my 550EX or the ST-E2. Instead it would overexpose by about 3 F stops effectively washing out the image. However, when mounted directly on the camera and used by itself it worked ok. Since I wanted a flexible wireless system and the Sigma would not work correctly with my existing Canon flash in a wireless situation, I sent it back. I've since acquired 2 additional 550s and now have 3 550s and the ST-E2 and the complete wireless system works perfectly.
Paul North said:
Yesterday I posted a question about getting the Sigma EF 500 super
flash, and the only response I got was from a nice person who also
wanted to know if the flash was good or not!
It seems that the only people who get any kind of response are
people who ask the same stupid questions!
What lens should I get??
is the d60 a good camera??
hey look at the semi naked girls????

I am only a beginner and need a lot of help with some purchases!!!
WOW! some one with a legit question!
But Nooooo we keep geting responses like
I like my 15-30 lens!
I hate my 15-30 lens!
I wish I had a 15-30 lens!
and so on and so on!
a post like this could go on for days!!!!!!!!!!

If this forum is to help people who need help, you could have
fooled me!!
It seems to me like most people on this forum are not interested in
helping, but more interested in wasting time, asking the same
questions, getting the same answers!

I will admit that some of you are willing to help people, and are
truly a big part of why I am sticking around! and I would like to
thank you for that!
But a lot of you don't seem to care about helping people who need
it! it's almost like the pros or semi pros only answer back to pros
or semi pros! That's to bad because this is such a great
hobby/profesion that it would benifit all people if we could get
some simple advise on a simple question!

Now if someone would be so kind as to answer a simple question!
I am thinking about getting the Sigma EF500 supper flash, I will be
using it to take photos of birds and wildlife in the field. Will
it be able to sync up even in high iso and shutter speeds???
that's all I want to know.
and if you don't know the answer, please let me know.

Thank You
Paul..
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http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
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Doug Walker

D30 w/BG-ED, Elan 7e, Sigma 15-30, Tokina 17mm ATX PRO, Canon 28/2.8, Canon 28-135 IS, Canon 28-70L, Canon 50mm F1.4, Canon 70-200 F2.8L IS, Canon 100-400L IS, Canon 100 USM macro, Canon 1.4x teleconverter, Kenko Pro Extension tubes, Arca Swiss B1, Hakuba carbon fiber, 3 550ex, ST-E2, Alien Bees
 
I've never used one. It's supposed to work with EOS cameras.
Paul North said:
Yesterday I posted a question about getting the Sigma EF 500 super
flash, and the only response I got was from a nice person who also
wanted to know if the flash was good or not!
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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Paul North said:
Yesterday I posted a question about getting the Sigma EF 500 super
flash, and the only response I got was from a nice person who also
wanted to know if the flash was good or not!
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You know, there is another possibility... nobody knows because nobody else has purchased one. I have a Canon EX flash along with probably most people here who do flash photography.

Now, here's a thought... buy one from a store with an exchange policy and report your findings here. Going off like you've done is one way to have people respond, but I'll bet you won't like most of what you receive.

--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
 
...is work with what we have in terms of the limited information in your post.

Your topic line is: "Flash question"

Perhaps "Sigma EF-500 flash comments?" would have attracted a bit more attention.

Answer:

I do NOT recommend the use of third-party flash units even though some are very, very good UNLESS you are really skilled with flash and are willing to take the risks.

What risks are those? Well, if something should go haywire with your third-party flash and something fries in your Canon camera, Canon will not support this as a warranty issue.

This risk is not terribly great, but it's out there and only you can decide if you want to entertain it.

Further, flash units are "mated" with today's AF cameras. (Nikon generally has better flash systems than Canon, unfortunately.) Generally speaking, you should get better and more predictable performance from the Canon EX flash units. The EX series is the only Canon flash line "mated" to the D60/D30 plus it's also "mated" with all of the Canon flash accessories.

So...the real question must be answered by you: Is saving $150 today worth (1) potential camera down time and repair bills in the slight case that the third party unit damages your camera; (2) having a fairly generic flash unit not specifically "mated" to your camera; and (3) having a flash unit that is also not "mated" to the accessories for the EX series strobes.

This is NOT a bum rap on third party flash units. The Vivitar 283, for example, is a venerable workhorse and there are others by, say, Metz, that perform heavy duty chores. If you are truly highly proficient with flash (which, no offense intended, you probably aren't or else you probably would not have asked the question), then you'd know how to get the most out of the good third party gear out there and minimize the risks.

What would I do? Get the Canon EX today and forego worrying about future problems or future regrets that "maybe I should have bought the 550EX."

Good luck.
 
Hi Bryan,

You are correct in your statement, I was hoping to get a difinitive answer from someone, and a few people let me know that they did not have the sigma flash only the canon flash. Byron actualy gave me some good leads! I have decided to purchase this flash form Delta int. After using it for a while, I will share my experiences.

Paul...
Bryan Siverly said:
Paul North said:
Yesterday I posted a question about getting the Sigma EF 500 super
flash, and the only response I got was from a nice person who also
wanted to know if the flash was good or not!
Click to expand...
You know, there is another possibility... nobody knows because
nobody else has purchased one. I have a Canon EX flash along with
probably most people here who do flash photography.

Now, here's a thought... buy one from a store with an exchange
policy and report your findings here. Going off like you've done
is one way to have people respond, but I'll bet you won't like most
of what you receive.

--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
 
Paul,

I've been a member of DPReview since 2000 and a participant of this forum since November 2001. What some people don't realize is that threads need to be managed because of the sheer volume of messages and threads.

I see that your first post is only 15 hours old. Not even 1 day has gone by. If the thread is not on the first page, chances are it will not be looked at. Instead of making this thread, you might have been better served posting in the first thread, so that it gets back on the first page of threads.

Also realize that people get on the forum at all different times of day. And not everyone is going to read every message. Not everyone is even going to notice every thread. If you want a particular question answered, you need to make sure the thread is on at least the first or second page of threads.

Its not that the forum in general is unhelpful and rude, its that there is so much going on in the forum that you can't expect people to notice every thread all the time. Actually, for the most part, everybody does try to help each other out. There are the occasional bad apples but they tend to leave over time and the good ones tend to stay.

Joo

--
  • Canon EOS D-30 & PowerShot S100
  • Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment. :)
 
**** your title is a little vague.
--
Steven
D30
22-55
24-85
28-80 L
80-200L
100-300L
50 1.8
2x Tamron
420ex
 
To think that your time is more valueable than our's and you cannot waste time looking for an answer by doing a simple search here or on http://www.google.com Hey man, it's your question. If you don't want to invest a few moments to search for the answer, why should we? Are you the boss and we just sit here waiting for your question so that we can search for what you should have in the 1st place? Although I usually answer many of the same questions over and over, I have never before given the response " do a search". I think that it is a poor reponse in most cases, but not in yours, we all WORK and we all value our time and mine is as important to me as yours is to you. your arrogance astounds me.

We are all volunteer our time here and many of use spend 90% of our time answering others persons questions and 10% asking questions. Are you one of the ones that only asks and never or rarely contributes their time? This may be the case as I'm sure your time is way too important to spend here answering and searching for the answer to other persons questions.

I hold no grudge against you Paul, but your post really unnerved me and I had to respond.

good day
Jack
http://www.pbase.com/joneill
 
Paul North said:
Yesterday I posted a question about getting the Sigma EF 500 super
flash, and the only response I got was from a nice person who also
wanted to know if the flash was good or not!
It seems that the only people who get any kind of response are
people who ask the same stupid questions!
What lens should I get??
is the d60 a good camera??
hey look at the semi naked girls????

I am only a beginner and need a lot of help with some purchases!!!
WOW! some one with a legit question!
But Nooooo we keep geting responses like
I like my 15-30 lens!
I hate my 15-30 lens!
I wish I had a 15-30 lens!
and so on and so on!
a post like this could go on for days!!!!!!!!!!

If this forum is to help people who need help, you could have
fooled me!!
It seems to me like most people on this forum are not interested in
helping, but more interested in wasting time, asking the same
questions, getting the same answers!

I will admit that some of you are willing to help people, and are
truly a big part of why I am sticking around! and I would like to
thank you for that!
But a lot of you don't seem to care about helping people who need
it! it's almost like the pros or semi pros only answer back to pros
or semi pros! That's to bad because this is such a great
hobby/profesion that it would benifit all people if we could get
some simple advise on a simple question!

Now if someone would be so kind as to answer a simple question!
I am thinking about getting the Sigma EF500 supper flash, I will be
using it to take photos of birds and wildlife in the field. Will
it be able to sync up even in high iso and shutter speeds???
that's all I want to know.
and if you don't know the answer, please let me know.

Thank You
Paul..
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
Click to expand...
--
Steven
D30
22-55
24-85
28-80 L
80-200L
100-300L
50 1.8
2x Tamron
420ex
 
Thanks for the input.

Well my topic was stated in a way that I hoped to get more people to look at it. It seems that some people will see SIGMA and turn away!

I was hoping to get the input from all flash users to make my dissision.

I never realy thought about the risk factor! I currently have a POS Sakar flash and it works on my D60 but without high speed sync.

And yes I know little about flash photography, but the only way to learn is to jump into it.

Thanks for the advice.

Paul..
**** Ginkowski said:
...is work with what we have in terms of the limited information in
your post.

Your topic line is: "Flash question"

Perhaps "Sigma EF-500 flash comments?" would have attracted a bit
more attention.

Answer:

I do NOT recommend the use of third-party flash units even though
some are very, very good UNLESS you are really skilled with flash
and are willing to take the risks.

What risks are those? Well, if something should go haywire with
your third-party flash and something fries in your Canon camera,
Canon will not support this as a warranty issue.

This risk is not terribly great, but it's out there and only you
can decide if you want to entertain it.

Further, flash units are "mated" with today's AF cameras. (Nikon
generally has better flash systems than Canon, unfortunately.)
Generally speaking, you should get better and more predictable
performance from the Canon EX flash units. The EX series is the
only Canon flash line "mated" to the D60/D30 plus it's also "mated"
with all of the Canon flash accessories.

So...the real question must be answered by you: Is saving $150
today worth (1) potential camera down time and repair bills in the
slight case that the third party unit damages your camera; (2)
having a fairly generic flash unit not specifically "mated" to your
camera; and (3) having a flash unit that is also not "mated" to the
accessories for the EX series strobes.

This is NOT a bum rap on third party flash units. The Vivitar 283,
for example, is a venerable workhorse and there are others by, say,
Metz, that perform heavy duty chores. If you are truly highly
proficient with flash (which, no offense intended, you probably
aren't or else you probably would not have asked the question),
then you'd know how to get the most out of the good third party
gear out there and minimize the risks.

What would I do? Get the Canon EX today and forego worrying about
future problems or future regrets that "maybe I should have bought
the 550EX."

Good luck.
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
 
I forgot to mention.

1. I do a lot of bird and wildlife photography. Most of the wildlife photographers who are into using flash extensively have very elaborate setups. I do not recall seeing any of them using third-party flash equipment.

2. You may wish to contact Sigma directly for technical information and specification. The level of cooperation and information you receive from them may well assist you in your purchase decision.
 
Sorry, but you're asking those who already answered the same question before, even perhaps more than once, to do so yet again to save you some work searching for the answer yourself.

THAT's why you didn't get an answer. THAT's why LOTS of people don't get answers.

Recently I participated in several threads about the Sigma 28-70 & 24-70. Each time posting the same answers and links to the tests I did, which are still on-line at Pbase. But I doubt I'll do it again. I'll just ignore the posts because I already did my part, several times over.

Think about it. Search for it. THEN ask.
Paul North said:
John W. said:
Paul,
Don't mean to be rude but ... do a search. Just type in 'Sigma EF
500' and you will find over 10 pages of posts that will answer just
about any question you have.
Self help is a wonderful thing.......
--
John W
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
Click to expand...
--
'The Key to Safe Wildlife Photography: Think OUTSIDE of the Bear.'

My Galleries: http://home.attbi.com/~keylargographics/
 
using only your mouth. And a semi-automatic, assault mouth at that.

Those that read your rude, demanding posts here will most likely be unwilling to EVER answer you again.
Paul North said:
John W. said:
Paul North said:
That should be the answer to every post !!
Click to expand...
You are right, if more people used the search function there would
be less repeated questions and we could concentrate on answering
new ones !!
Paul North said:
I did not want to spend hours reading through post to get my answer!
Click to expand...
Lazyness is no excuse !!!

--
John W
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
Click to expand...
--
'The Key to Safe Wildlife Photography: Think OUTSIDE of the Bear.'

My Galleries: http://home.attbi.com/~keylargographics/
 
Jack,

I think all of our times are valueable!! I never stated that mine was more important than someone elses! I stated that other people find time to respond to questions, and it seems that when I post a question "few and far between" I never get an answer! There are a hand full of people who are trully helpfull, and I am very greatfull for that. I am sure there are many people out there who are in the same boat as me! work 6am to 7pm, play with the kids after work, get up at 6am on a Saturday or Sunday to get a couple of hours of photography in before you get the phone call that the kids miss you! when are you comming home! You obviosly miss interpreted my post. What agravates me is a post like " is the canon 20mm lens any good? " and there is about 50 replys to that

Paul...

Paul...
Jack O'Neill said:
To think that your time is more valueable than our's and you cannot
waste time looking for an answer by doing a simple search here or
on http://www.google.com Hey man, it's your question. If you don't want to
invest a few moments to search for the answer, why should we? Are
you the boss and we just sit here waiting for your question so that
we can search for what you should have in the 1st place? Although I
usually answer many of the same questions over and over, I have
never before given the response " do a search". I think that it is
a poor reponse in most cases, but not in yours, we all WORK and we
all value our time and mine is as important to me as yours is to
you. your arrogance astounds me.
We are all volunteer our time here and many of use spend 90% of our
time answering others persons questions and 10% asking questions.
Are you one of the ones that only asks and never or rarely
contributes their time? This may be the case as I'm sure your time
is way too important to spend here answering and searching for the
answer to other persons questions.

I hold no grudge against you Paul, but your post really unnerved me
and I had to respond.

good day
Jack
http://www.pbase.com/joneill
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
 
I did look at your pbase examples, and thought you put a lot of time and effort into it. My hats off to you

Thanks for the comparison
Paul..
Bogie said:
THAT's why you didn't get an answer. THAT's why LOTS of people
don't get answers.

Recently I participated in several threads about the Sigma 28-70 &
24-70. Each time posting the same answers and links to the tests I
did, which are still on-line at Pbase. But I doubt I'll do it
again. I'll just ignore the posts because I already did my part,
several times over.

Think about it. Search for it. THEN ask.
Paul North said:
John W. said:
Paul,
Don't mean to be rude but ... do a search. Just type in 'Sigma EF
500' and you will find over 10 pages of posts that will answer just
about any question you have.
Self help is a wonderful thing.......
--
John W
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
Click to expand...
--
'The Key to Safe Wildlife Photography: Think OUTSIDE of the Bear.'

My Galleries: http://home.attbi.com/~keylargographics/
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
 
Paul North said:
I am taking the time today to make a point! and you keep proving me
right! here is your quote "Other people value their time too. Why
should they waste it to make your goofing off at work more
efficient?" I guess it is ok to help other people with questins???
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I will let your twisted logic stand in disgrace without further comment.
Paul North said:
Thanks Ron, I guess some of us are not worthy!!
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Perhaps...

--
Ron Parr
FAQ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.html
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/parr/
 
I am far from that! I was mearly hopping to get some feedback on a purchase that I wanted to make! Rude would be not responding to a legit question that you know the answer to. And I never Demanded an answer! you can make me out to be anything you want! there are more people than you know that can relate to my post!! Like the guy who was going to Alaska and just bought a D1, People ripped into him for being able to afford a camera that he could or could not operate! You should check some of the replys people post, there down right nasty!!
Bogie said:
Those that read your rude, demanding posts here will most likely be
unwilling to EVER answer you again.
Paul North said:
John W. said:
Paul North said:
That should be the answer to every post !!
Click to expand...
You are right, if more people used the search function there would
be less repeated questions and we could concentrate on answering
new ones !!
Ted B.47613 said:
I did not want to spend hours reading through post to get my answer!
Click to expand...
Lazyness is no excuse !!!

--
John W
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
Click to expand...
--
'The Key to Safe Wildlife Photography: Think OUTSIDE of the Bear.'

My Galleries: http://home.attbi.com/~keylargographics/
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
 
Joo,

In the future I will reply to my own question to possibly get an answer.

Thanks for the advice.

Paul..
Joo said:
Paul,

I've been a member of DPReview since 2000 and a participant of this
forum since November 2001. What some people don't realize is that
threads need to be managed because of the sheer volume of messages
and threads.

I see that your first post is only 15 hours old. Not even 1 day has
gone by. If the thread is not on the first page, chances are it
will not be looked at. Instead of making this thread, you might
have been better served posting in the first thread, so that it
gets back on the first page of threads.

Also realize that people get on the forum at all different times of
day. And not everyone is going to read every message. Not everyone
is even going to notice every thread. If you want a particular
question answered, you need to make sure the thread is on at least
the first or second page of threads.

Its not that the forum in general is unhelpful and rude, its that
there is so much going on in the forum that you can't expect people
to notice every thread all the time. Actually, for the most part,
everybody does try to help each other out. There are the occasional
bad apples but they tend to leave over time and the good ones tend
to stay.

Joo

--
  • Canon EOS D-30 & PowerShot S100
  • Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
blame the equipment. :)
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth/root
Canon D60 with BG-ED3
Sigma 24-70 EX F2.8
Sigma 100-300 EX F4
Sigma 105mm F2.8 EX macro
Kenko 2X / Sigma 1.4X TC
Bogen 3021 tripod with Bogen 3038 Ball head
Epson 1280 printer
iomega & IBM 1G microdrive
 
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