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If you read my prevous review of the Profile prism with my S9000/WeInk system you know I was a very happy camper. ( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=3157996 )

Profile Prism is available at http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/

Well, Mike has done it again. In response to some customers having problems with out of gamut blues being shifted into a purple tone, he has put a beta up on his site to test a "cure" for the problem.

The results are outstanding! I thought what I had before was good, but I just reprofiled Costco Epson Glossy Photo Paper and printed the PhotoDisc target. Compared to my previous profile I now have much improved shadow detail (I didn't even know it was lacking before) and very much improved highlights. Since I never had the purple shift problem I can't comment on how that is affected, but I can say the colors now jump off the page. It is as if I just upgraded my S9000 to a better printer!

Mike, if you are reading this - thank you! Great job, now get the beta released so everyone can enjoy the improvements!

(Note: the beta is only available to registered users.)
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Where the heck is the beta file? Which directory?
Frank Nichols said:
If you read my prevous review of the Profile prism with my
S9000/WeInk system you know I was a very happy camper.
( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=3157996 )

Profile Prism is available at http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/

Well, Mike has done it again. In response to some customers having
problems with out of gamut blues being shifted into a purple tone,
he has put a beta up on his site to test a "cure" for the problem.

The results are outstanding! I thought what I had before was good,
but I just reprofiled Costco Epson Glossy Photo Paper and printed
the PhotoDisc target. Compared to my previous profile I now have
much improved shadow detail (I didn't even know it was lacking
before) and very much improved highlights. Since I never had the
purple shift problem I can't comment on how that is affected, but I
can say the colors now jump off the page. It is as if I just
upgraded my S9000 to a better printer!

Mike, if you are reading this - thank you! Great job, now get the
beta released so everyone can enjoy the improvements!

(Note: the beta is only available to registered users.)
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I plan on living forever - so far so good!
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I don't think Mike will mind me posting this here, sicne he posted it in public on his discussion forum. The directory is password protected and ONLY REGISTERED USERS have access - so if you are not a registered owner, please don't pound his web site.

http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/pp-files/pp-27b1.zip

Good luck -

fn
SThe said:
Frank Nichols said:
If you read my prevous review of the Profile prism with my
S9000/WeInk system you know I was a very happy camper.
( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=3157996 )

Profile Prism is available at http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/

Well, Mike has done it again. In response to some customers having
problems with out of gamut blues being shifted into a purple tone,
he has put a beta up on his site to test a "cure" for the problem.

The results are outstanding! I thought what I had before was good,
but I just reprofiled Costco Epson Glossy Photo Paper and printed
the PhotoDisc target. Compared to my previous profile I now have
much improved shadow detail (I didn't even know it was lacking
before) and very much improved highlights. Since I never had the
purple shift problem I can't comment on how that is affected, but I
can say the colors now jump off the page. It is as if I just
upgraded my S9000 to a better printer!

Mike, if you are reading this - thank you! Great job, now get the
beta released so everyone can enjoy the improvements!

(Note: the beta is only available to registered users.)
--
I plan on living forever - so far so good!
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I plan on living forever - so far so good!
 
Frank,

I agree. I've been playing with it for several days now and the beta version is absolutely outstanding. Thus far I've profiled Canon PPP, GPP and OD Prem High Gloss with Mike's beta and the results are amazing.

As far as I'm concerned it's a quantum leap improvement over version 2.61 and my profiling problems are over.

Mike certainly did an exceptional job with this beta. I'd bet money it's going to be the next Profile Prism upgrade and I also bet he releases it within the next few days.

It's going to be fun reading the reactions of other people when they get their hands on it.

Chuck
 
I'm reposting my results in this discussion. I'm getting the same result with both 2.61 and beta 2.7. Is right image the best I can get by using Profile Prism. I read about casting got by other people in shadows with previous versions of PP. Do they get something similar?



Thank you
Vlad
Chuck J said:
Frank,

I agree. I've been playing with it for several days now and the
beta version is absolutely outstanding. Thus far I've profiled
Canon PPP, GPP and OD Prem High Gloss with Mike's beta and the
results are amazing.

As far as I'm concerned it's a quantum leap improvement over
version 2.61 and my profiling problems are over.

Mike certainly did an exceptional job with this beta. I'd bet
money it's going to be the next Profile Prism upgrade and I also
bet he releases it within the next few days.

It's going to be fun reading the reactions of other people when
they get their hands on it.

Chuck
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From the web site, it doesn't seem like Profile Prism is for monitor calibration. If I can't use it to calibrate what I see versus what I print, what good is it? I'm not trying to be anal, as I see it as a real question.

Thanks
Frank Nichols said:
If you read my prevous review of the Profile prism with my
S9000/WeInk system you know I was a very happy camper.
( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=3157996 )

Profile Prism is available at http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/

Well, Mike has done it again. In response to some customers having
problems with out of gamut blues being shifted into a purple tone,
he has put a beta up on his site to test a "cure" for the problem.

The results are outstanding! I thought what I had before was good,
but I just reprofiled Costco Epson Glossy Photo Paper and printed
the PhotoDisc target. Compared to my previous profile I now have
much improved shadow detail (I didn't even know it was lacking
before) and very much improved highlights. Since I never had the
purple shift problem I can't comment on how that is affected, but I
can say the colors now jump off the page. It is as if I just
upgraded my S9000 to a better printer!

Mike, if you are reading this - thank you! Great job, now get the
beta released so everyone can enjoy the improvements!

(Note: the beta is only available to registered users.)
--
I plan on living forever - so far so good!
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Chuck,
What kind of problem you had with 2.61 version?
Vlad
Chuck J said:
Frank,

I agree. I've been playing with it for several days now and the
beta version is absolutely outstanding. Thus far I've profiled
Canon PPP, GPP and OD Prem High Gloss with Mike's beta and the
results are amazing.

As far as I'm concerned it's a quantum leap improvement over
version 2.61 and my profiling problems are over.

Mike certainly did an exceptional job with this beta. I'd bet
money it's going to be the next Profile Prism upgrade and I also
bet he releases it within the next few days.

It's going to be fun reading the reactions of other people when
they get their hands on it.

Chuck
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http://www.vchapran.com
 
Brian Cao said:
From the web site, it doesn't seem like Profile Prism is for
monitor calibration. If I can't use it to calibrate what I see
versus what I print, what good is it? I'm not trying to be anal,
as I see it as a real question.

Thanks
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You are correct Brian, in that Profile Prism is an input (scanner/camera) and printer profiler. It will enable you to match a scanner input to a printed output (within the limitations of the gamuts of the devices), and most importantly, match up colors across different papers or printers. You need a colorimeter or spectrophotometer to really calibrate your monitor precisely (like the ColorVision Spyder on sale through Phil's site) although once you have a consistent printer mapping from your working color space, you can manually tweak your monitor to be pretty close. Picture Window Pro has a good monitor calibration tool that enables setting shadow, mid-tones and highlights (5-bands) to match the detail you see on the monitor to the way your printer prints them. I found that worked fine for me (though I got a Spyder anyway, just to have an absolute calibration capability).

LinhofMann
 
PP users,
please answer my questions
Vlad
Vlad said:


Thank you
Vlad
Chuck J said:
Frank,

I agree. I've been playing with it for several days now and the
beta version is absolutely outstanding. Thus far I've profiled
Canon PPP, GPP and OD Prem High Gloss with Mike's beta and the
results are amazing.

As far as I'm concerned it's a quantum leap improvement over
version 2.61 and my profiling problems are over.

Mike certainly did an exceptional job with this beta. I'd bet
money it's going to be the next Profile Prism upgrade and I also
bet he releases it within the next few days.

It's going to be fun reading the reactions of other people when
they get their hands on it.

Chuck
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http://www.vchapran.com
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http://www.vchapran.com
 
LinhofMann said:
Brian Cao said:
From the web site, it doesn't seem like Profile Prism is for
monitor calibration. If I can't use it to calibrate what I see
versus what I print, what good is it? I'm not trying to be anal,
as I see it as a real question.

Thanks
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You are correct Brian, in that Profile Prism is an input
(scanner/camera) and printer profiler. It will enable you to match
a scanner input to a printed output (within the limitations of the
gamuts of the devices), and most importantly, match up colors
across different papers or printers. You need a colorimeter or
spectrophotometer to really calibrate your monitor precisely (like
the ColorVision Spyder on sale through Phil's site) although once
you have a consistent printer mapping from your working color
space, you can manually tweak your monitor to be pretty close.
Picture Window Pro has a good monitor calibration tool that enables
setting shadow, mid-tones and highlights (5-bands) to match the
detail you see on the monitor to the way your printer prints them.
I found that worked fine for me (though I got a Spyder anyway, just
to have an absolute calibration capability).

LinhofMann
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Like Brian, I'm also curious about monitor calibration. I just use Adobe Gamma to calibrate my monitor and I've been getting very good color matching between monitor and 2200 printer. From this forum I found out it is a good idea to use a Colorimeter or a spectrophotometer to calibrate your monitor.

I just received my Profile Prism software today and in the process of installing it. My question is: Are there Profile Prism users out there that are just using Adobe Gamma to calibrate their monitor and are getting noticeable very good results when using Profile Prism.

Also what would be least confusing to calibrate your monitor with, Colorimeter or spectrophotometer?

Andrew
 
I am, for one, using visual calibration on my monitor and a Profie Prism user. I guess most Profile Prism users don't have colorimeter. If they could afford a decent one, they'd also bought Eye-One Match for profiling.

Gray block or RGB blocks in Adobe Gamma are small and less precise for monitor calibration. Norman Koren and Timo Autiokari have better monitor calibration target on their web sites.

I'm happy with my visually calibrated monitor. I could be wrong and blindly enjoy the color. Before using Profile Prism, I thought my profiles were good enough. The result after using Profile Prism is an obvious "Not".

I'm sure you'll be busy for the next couple of days using Profile Prism. I got quiet good color except certain gray patches is not very neutual. I'll try 2.7beta1 and see it helps. For the fun of it, I'll see which profile is better for ColorLife paper: EPSON profile made by $$$ ProfileMaker or profile made by Profile Prism :-). btw: ColorLife paper has no water resistance what-so-ever. I'm thinking of other paper, say, Premium Luster?
Andrew Curatola said:
Like Brian, I'm also curious about monitor calibration. I just use
Adobe Gamma to calibrate my monitor and I've been getting very good
color matching between monitor and 2200 printer. From this forum I
found out it is a good idea to use a Colorimeter or a
spectrophotometer to calibrate your monitor.
I just received my Profile Prism software today and in the process
of installing it. My question is: Are there Profile Prism users out
there that are just using Adobe Gamma to calibrate their monitor
and are getting noticeable very good results when using Profile
Prism.
Also what would be least confusing to calibrate your monitor with,
Colorimeter or spectrophotometer?

Andrew
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Try Ilford Clasic Pearle. I made a profile for it with profile prism for my 785 and the results were outstanding.
Gamma said:
I'm sure you'll be busy for the next couple of days using Profile
Prism. I got quiet good color except certain gray patches is not
very neutual. I'll try 2.7beta1 and see it helps. For the fun of
it, I'll see which profile is better for ColorLife paper: EPSON
profile made by $$$ ProfileMaker or profile made by Profile Prism
:-). btw: ColorLife paper has no water resistance what-so-ever.
I'm thinking of other paper, say, Premium Luster?
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Gamma said:
Gray block or RGB blocks in Adobe Gamma are small and less precise
for monitor calibration. Norman Koren and Timo Autiokari have
better monitor calibration target on their web sites.

I'm happy with my visually calibrated monitor. I could be wrong
and blindly enjoy the color. Before using Profile Prism, I thought
my profiles were good enough. The result after using Profile Prism
is an obvious "Not".

I'm sure you'll be busy for the next couple of days using Profile
Prism. I got quiet good color except certain gray patches is not
very neutual. I'll try 2.7beta1 and see it helps. For the fun of
it, I'll see which profile is better for ColorLife paper: EPSON
profile made by $$$ ProfileMaker or profile made by Profile Prism
:-). btw: ColorLife paper has no water resistance what-so-ever.
I'm thinking of other paper, say, Premium Luster?
Andrew Curatola said:
Like Brian, I'm also curious about monitor calibration. I just use
Adobe Gamma to calibrate my monitor and I've been getting very good
color matching between monitor and 2200 printer. From this forum I
found out it is a good idea to use a Colorimeter or a
spectrophotometer to calibrate your monitor.
I just received my Profile Prism software today and in the process
of installing it. My question is: Are there Profile Prism users out
there that are just using Adobe Gamma to calibrate their monitor
and are getting noticeable very good results when using Profile
Prism.
Also what would be least confusing to calibrate your monitor with,
Colorimeter or spectrophotometer?

Andrew
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Gamma, thank you for your reply. As it turned out I just ordered the Spyder with PhotoCal, they had it on sale for $159. It doesn't look to complicated to use, that was my main concern.

Thanks again
Andrew
 
That is not anal, it is a very valid question.

Using todays systems you have three components that have to be calibrated separately - the input (camera/scanner), the monitor and the printer. Each of these is handled separately in the computer.

Now, the first question is how do you use your computer - if you create images or do heavy editing of images, then yes, you definitely want to have the monitor display match as closely as possible the printed image. (If you expect a perfect match you are going to be disappointed for a few more years.)

If however, you primarily use your computer to store and print your images, then it is not as critcal that the monitor match the printout that closely.

If your goal is quality prinouts (pictures) that accurately match the "real world" - ie. Aunt Martha's purple hair is exactly the right color of purple on the printed picture - then Profile Prism has something to offer you. It can calibrate your printer using your ink with your paper. All of which affect the final colors you see in your pictures.

However, it can not help you see that exact shade of purple in Aunt Martha hair on your monitor. That requires a different product - and there are many which range from free to thousands of dollars depending on how important it is to you to have exactly accurrate (which you can not achieve on todays monitors) colors displayed.

Also, you should be aware that the printer and the monitor can not ever (today) be made to exactly match. They use different physics to create the color image you see and the physics of it limit what colors each can produce. While many of the colors are the same, many are not. For example, bright blues are very hard for a printer to produce, while they can easily be produced on a monitor.

fn
Brian Cao said:
Thanks
Frank Nichols said:
If you read my prevous review of the Profile prism with my
S9000/WeInk system you know I was a very happy camper.
( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=3157996 )

Profile Prism is available at http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/

Well, Mike has done it again. In response to some customers having
problems with out of gamut blues being shifted into a purple tone,
he has put a beta up on his site to test a "cure" for the problem.

The results are outstanding! I thought what I had before was good,
but I just reprofiled Costco Epson Glossy Photo Paper and printed
the PhotoDisc target. Compared to my previous profile I now have
much improved shadow detail (I didn't even know it was lacking
before) and very much improved highlights. Since I never had the
purple shift problem I can't comment on how that is affected, but I
can say the colors now jump off the page. It is as if I just
upgraded my S9000 to a better printer!

Mike, if you are reading this - thank you! Great job, now get the
beta released so everyone can enjoy the improvements!

(Note: the beta is only available to registered users.)
--
I plan on living forever - so far so good!
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I plan on living forever - so far so good!
 
Vlad said:
Andrew,
Where did you order Spyder with PhotoCal for $159?
Vlad

Vlad, I ordered it at at http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi?&cart_id=480920165_84665&page=product&item_id=GEUSB100 .
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I did my first profile using Profile Prism for PhotoLuster paper and the colors really came out beautiful as compared to the Epson house paper profiles. Hopefully the ColorCal will do the trick as to what I see on my monitor will be almost the same as my printouts.
Andrew
Vlad63918 said:
Vlad63918 said:
Gamma, thank you for your reply. As it turned out I just ordered
the Spyder with PhotoCal, they had it on sale for $159. It doesn't
look to complicated to use, that was my main concern.

Thanks again
Andrew
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Andrew Curatola said:
Vlad said:
Andrew,
Where did you order Spyder with PhotoCal for $159?
Vlad

Vlad, I ordered it at at http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi?&cart_id=480920165_84665&page=product&item_id=GEUSB100 .
Click to expand...
I did my first profile using Profile Prism for PhotoLuster paper
and the colors really came out beautiful as compared to the Epson
house paper profiles. Hopefully the ColorCal will do the trick as
to what I see on my monitor will be almost the same as my printouts.
Andrew
Andrew Curatola said:
Andrew Curatola said:
Gamma, thank you for your reply. As it turned out I just ordered
the Spyder with PhotoCal, they had it on sale for $159. It doesn't
look to complicated to use, that was my main concern.

Thanks again
Andrew
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Ask them to give you 20% Dpreview discount. Otherwise you can order the CRT version from B&H for 139.95

G. Shashte
 
Thank you Guillermo.

I visited B&H site and saw there many Spyder packages with different software. Spyder Colorimeter Master Suite includes tool for printer profle. Can somebody compare them.

I still cannot create any good profile by using Profile Prism. Maybe it's possible with other tools.
Vlad
Guillermo Shashte said:
Andrew Curatola said:
Vlad said:
Andrew,
Where did you order Spyder with PhotoCal for $159?
Vlad

Vlad, I ordered it at at http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi?&cart_id=480920165_84665&page=product&item_id=GEUSB100 .
Click to expand...
I did my first profile using Profile Prism for PhotoLuster paper
and the colors really came out beautiful as compared to the Epson
house paper profiles. Hopefully the ColorCal will do the trick as
to what I see on my monitor will be almost the same as my printouts.
Andrew
Guillermo Shashte said:
Guillermo Shashte said:
Gamma, thank you for your reply. As it turned out I just ordered
the Spyder with PhotoCal, they had it on sale for $159. It doesn't
look to complicated to use, that was my main concern.

Thanks again
Andrew
Click to expand...
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http://www.vchapran.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Ask them to give you 20% Dpreview discount. Otherwise you can order
the CRT version from B&H for 139.95

G. Shashte
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http://www.vchapran.com
 
Guillermo Shashte said:
Andrew Curatola said:
Vlad said:
Andrew,
Where did you order Spyder with PhotoCal for $159?
Vlad

Vlad, I ordered it at at http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi?&cart_id=480920165_84665&page=product&item_id=GEUSB100 .
Click to expand...
I did my first profile using Profile Prism for PhotoLuster paper
and the colors really came out beautiful as compared to the Epson
house paper profiles. Hopefully the ColorCal will do the trick as
to what I see on my monitor will be almost the same as my printouts.
Andrew
Guillermo Shashte said:
Guillermo Shashte said:
Gamma, thank you for your reply. As it turned out I just ordered
the Spyder with PhotoCal, they had it on sale for $159. It doesn't
look to complicated to use, that was my main concern.

Thanks again
Andrew
Click to expand...
--
http://www.vchapran.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Ask them to give you 20% Dpreview discount. Otherwise you can order
the CRT version from B&H for 139.95

G. Shashte
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Guillermo, I wish I would of known about B & H having it in stock before I ordered it from Colorvision. Yesterday when I made my first Profile Prism profile and saw how fantastic it came out, I knew then and there I needed something hopefully good to calibrate my monitor and at the time I didn't care what it cost. The bottom line was it cost me $197 with next day air and tax (only NY residents had to pay shipping & tax). I'm sure a lot of other people on this forum will take advantage of the B & H price.
Thanks again for the information
Andrew
 
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