F717 in mid-october

My husband has been stuck with my old S70 - a good camera but not up to the 707 (He gets my hand-me-downs as I am the more compulsive of the two camera nuts in the family.) - so I might get a 717 and hand down the 707 to him. That would make us more even. ;) Ann
Eric
I don't have specs yet, but starting price is $999.99 and I can
provide the BB SKU if someone truly needs proof (won't post it here
because I really don't want snitches bothering me). Hint is:
xxx5502.
It was added to the system on 8/16/02.

Waiting for 'the system' to have a comparison compared to the 707
plus full spec differences.

Hope this doesn't bother too many people...
--
Eric
Sony DSC-F707
EXIF Date: A year behind the times...
http://www.pbase.com/elamont
http://www.thedigitalgalleries.com/ (a work in progress)
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also known as PT Kitty > ^..^

http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
 
Heheheh... interesting post. :-))

More follows...
I bet (have no doubt) you and Ulysses will get the 717 (or
whatever) because anyone that regularly takes part in these forums
needs to keep current. How many camera owners talk about their
F505, F505V or S70?
Several of the "alumni" members still have their F505 and F505V (at least that's what they've told me via e-mail). They don't post here as often because they happen to have D-SLR cameras now to supplement. But they still get use out of their fun Sony cameras.

Will I get "the Hulk", as I've already started referring to what is bound to be a lovable but flawed giant? I dunno. Here's what will have to happen:

1) It will need to take care of my desire for consistent white balance, at least more consistent than the current F707

2) It will need to be a faster camera, and a decent burst mode wouldn't hurt (I wasn't kidding about that "Thunderclap Burst" mode...)

3) It will need to have an improved and more plentiful set of presets for w.b.

4) It will need to have improved on the issue of chromatic aberration. The F707 lens, nice as it is, is NOT as nice as the original F505 lens, at least not in the results it puts out in terms of matching glass to CCD

5) It will have to have other features that add value to the camera above and beyond that of the current F707.

Otherwise, the F707 is "good enough" until I can make a significant move over to something else. It takes really, really nice shots.
The F707 will fade away just like the others and hardly anyone will
be talking about them or want to. The F707 subject matter is
already getting redundant and stale -- we need something new to
pick apart. :-)
I don't know about "stale", but such is the nature of things in this fast-moving arena of digital cameras and the people who love them. :)
Unless you and Ulysses defect over to Canon, I can't see you guys
not getting the latest Sony.
Well, Nikon thus far hasn't gotten it done for me personally. That's not a slam at all against the equipment of late. I just won't be buying it from Nikon this year. They'll need to try again.
And that is not likely (that you
will leave Sony) because of all the accessories you guys have.
Accessories have absolutely NUTHIN to do with my decision. I could care less about the accessories. For one thing, I don't have many. But even if so, I could easily sell them. That's a zero factor in my book. I know not everyone thinks like that, but there it is.
717 will have to be a real dud to keep many regular forum members
from getting it. And knowing Sony....It won't be a dud.
Correct. Highly doubtful. Sony hasn't really produced a dud of a camera ever since the old D-700. Have they had any real "losers"?
I am looking forward to the next generation F-series offering...
and, might I add, that I am looking forward to how all the current
F707 owners are going to react to it and what they will eventually
do. This will be most entertaining.
Oh, Sony "are" nothing if not entertaining! :-)

That's their entire business!

--

Ulysses
 
I don't think that's what was meant. It's more like he can't say anything more because of not wanting to GIVE AWAY information to the competition (Canon).
I find nothing odd about Sony and Canon being in cahoots. Their
video cams are almost identical, and going back 6, maybe 8 years
ago, they were identical. The pro series video cameras I believe
use Canon lenses.

There's reciprocal agreements all over the industry. Doesn't Sony
sell their CCD's to many well known camera companies?

Its probably shared technology they're going to try to protect
until the wrappers are off at the next big show.
  • David
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Ulysses
 
  • it has same amount of pixels as the F707
Makes sense. There is no other sensor right now from Sony.
  • USB 2.0 support
We've been anticipating USB 2.0 since before the F707 now and were disappointed when it didn't have it.
  • 1/2000 shutterspeed
Wish it were even faster, but I guess that wouldl help.
  • and several improved camera functions (he could not recall
exactly which)
Heheheh... that's pretty general. He didn't mention the Thunderclap Burst mode specifically? ;-)
  • he also said he couldn't share more information about the F717
because of Canon (for whatever reason).
Canon... schmanon...

They'll probably be doing a G3/G5 or something like that. Nothing new and nothing fun.

--

Ulysses
 
  • it has same amount of pixels as the F707
Makes sense. There is no other sensor right now from Sony.
  • USB 2.0 support
We've been anticipating USB 2.0 since before the F707 now and were
disappointed when it didn't have it.
  • 1/2000 shutterspeed
Wish it were even faster, but I guess that wouldl help.
  • and several improved camera functions (he could not recall
exactly which)
Heheheh... that's pretty general. He didn't mention the Thunderclap
Burst mode specifically? ;-)
  • he also said he couldn't share more information about the F717
because of Canon (for whatever reason).
Canon... schmanon...

They'll probably be doing a G3/G5 or something like that. Nothing
new and nothing fun.

--

Ulysses
 
Well, that was an interesting read.

I suppose I can live with the plural but what really bugs me is spelling the word, "center" as "centre". That would be "cen-tree" vs "cen-turr" in my book. Then again I still can't figure out why we spell "cable" and then spell "label" which sounds like, "cabe-ull" vs "cabe-lee". Go figure. English!

David Clark
You'll find that this is a question that has come up (not unique to
this forum) over the ages. For example, have a look back at this
October 1999 post, where you'll see several familiar folks, and
also some input from Phil himself:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=44029
 
FWIW, I'm an American (which has also been called a misnomer).

David Clark
Well, that was an interesting read.

I suppose I can live with the plural but what really bugs me is
spelling the word, "center" as "centre". That would be "cen-tree"
vs "cen-turr" in my book. Then again I still can't figure out why
we spell "cable" and then spell "label" which sounds like,
"cabe-ull" vs "cabe-lee". Go figure. English!

David Clark
 
and what about the new improved finger-hole grip?? and the Krytonite hued body?? These guys don't know nuttin about Marketin.....LOL

Steve
  • it has same amount of pixels as the F707
Makes sense. There is no other sensor right now from Sony.
  • USB 2.0 support
We've been anticipating USB 2.0 since before the F707 now and were
disappointed when it didn't have it.
  • 1/2000 shutterspeed
Wish it were even faster, but I guess that wouldl help.
  • and several improved camera functions (he could not recall
exactly which)
Heheheh... that's pretty general. He didn't mention the Thunderclap
Burst mode specifically? ;-)
  • he also said he couldn't share more information about the F717
because of Canon (for whatever reason).
Canon... schmanon...

They'll probably be doing a G3/G5 or something like that. Nothing
new and nothing fun.

--

Ulysses
--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k
 
I meant Kryptonite.....geez, guess that means I'm no longer a member of the DC Fan club :-(

Steve
Steve
  • it has same amount of pixels as the F707
Makes sense. There is no other sensor right now from Sony.
  • USB 2.0 support
We've been anticipating USB 2.0 since before the F707 now and were
disappointed when it didn't have it.
  • 1/2000 shutterspeed
Wish it were even faster, but I guess that wouldl help.
  • and several improved camera functions (he could not recall
exactly which)
Heheheh... that's pretty general. He didn't mention the Thunderclap
Burst mode specifically? ;-)
  • he also said he couldn't share more information about the F717
because of Canon (for whatever reason).
Canon... schmanon...

They'll probably be doing a G3/G5 or something like that. Nothing
new and nothing fun.

--

Ulysses
--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k
--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k
 
What I'd like to see is a rent-a-digital-camera store. This would make upgrading less painful.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=3237855

David Clark
More follows...
I bet (have no doubt) you and Ulysses will get the 717 (or
whatever) because anyone that regularly takes part in these forums
needs to keep current. How many camera owners talk about their
F505, F505V or S70?
Several of the "alumni" members still have their F505 and F505V (at
least that's what they've told me via e-mail). They don't post here
as often because they happen to have D-SLR cameras now to
supplement. But they still get use out of their fun Sony cameras.

Will I get "the Hulk", as I've already started referring to what is
bound to be a lovable but flawed giant? I dunno. Here's what will
have to happen:

1) It will need to take care of my desire for consistent white
balance, at least more consistent than the current F707

2) It will need to be a faster camera, and a decent burst mode
wouldn't hurt (I wasn't kidding about that "Thunderclap Burst"
mode...)

3) It will need to have an improved and more plentiful set of
presets for w.b.

4) It will need to have improved on the issue of chromatic
aberration. The F707 lens, nice as it is, is NOT as nice as the
original F505 lens, at least not in the results it puts out in
terms of matching glass to CCD

5) It will have to have other features that add value to the camera
above and beyond that of the current F707.

Otherwise, the F707 is "good enough" until I can make a significant
move over to something else. It takes really, really nice shots.
The F707 will fade away just like the others and hardly anyone will
be talking about them or want to. The F707 subject matter is
already getting redundant and stale -- we need something new to
pick apart. :-)
I don't know about "stale", but such is the nature of things in
this fast-moving arena of digital cameras and the people who love
them. :)
Unless you and Ulysses defect over to Canon, I can't see you guys
not getting the latest Sony.
Well, Nikon thus far hasn't gotten it done for me personally.
That's not a slam at all against the equipment of late. I just
won't be buying it from Nikon this year. They'll need to try again.
And that is not likely (that you
will leave Sony) because of all the accessories you guys have.
Accessories have absolutely NUTHIN to do with my decision. I could
care less about the accessories. For one thing, I don't have many.
But even if so, I could easily sell them. That's a zero factor in
my book. I know not everyone thinks like that, but there it is.
717 will have to be a real dud to keep many regular forum members
from getting it. And knowing Sony....It won't be a dud.
Correct. Highly doubtful. Sony hasn't really produced a dud of a
camera ever since the old D-700. Have they had any real "losers"?
I am looking forward to the next generation F-series offering...
and, might I add, that I am looking forward to how all the current
F707 owners are going to react to it and what they will eventually
do. This will be most entertaining.
Oh, Sony "are" nothing if not entertaining! :-)

That's their entire business!

--

Ulysses
 
What???? And carry around a camera with a history's load of fingerprints, scratches and other imperfections on it? No way!
What I'd like to see is a rent-a-digital-camera store. This would
make upgrading less painful.
--

Ulysses
 
Heheheheh... The color isn't Kryptonite.

It's "Gamma Green".

The Hulk was borne from a flash of gamma irradiation. :-)

Bahahahahahahahahahahahah!!©

Oh, and another thing... it's Marvel Comics, created by Stan Lee. :-))

Man, this is not your day.... heheheheheh
I meant Kryptonite.....geez, guess that means I'm no longer a
member of the DC Fan club :-(
--

Ulysses
 
Sometimes it's possible to get preannouncent info by a little URL-guesswork. Many times web developers get everything ready to go but leave the actual URL unpublished or the directory that contains the review/product announcement secured. However, images are sometimes stored in a common directory.

With that in mind, I went to Sony Style and found that they use a common directory for digicam images. For example the URL for the F707 image is:

http://www.sonystyle.com/images/180x180/shots/dscf707.jpg

With that logic, one would expect the F717 image to be at this URL:

http://www.sonystyle.com/images/180x180/shots/dscf717.jpg

Well, darn. It didn't work... yet, that is. :)

--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
 
Likely, you won't see that kind of mistake until Photokina. And maybe not even then.

For example, last year, the way that we first got pics of the F707 was when the show at IFA (alternates with Photokina every other year, I believe) had pics of the F707 and a number of other products posted online. A little sleuthing revealed all. Some were smart enough to save the pics to their HDD just in case Sony pulled the pages.

Which is exactly what they did. But by then, we were "on" to them. The rabbit was out of the proverbial hat. :-)
Sometimes it's possible to get preannouncent info by a little
URL-guesswork. Many times web developers get everything ready to
go but leave the actual URL unpublished or the directory that
contains the review/product announcement secured. However, images
are sometimes stored in a common directory.

With that in mind, I went to Sony Style and found that they use a
common directory for digicam images. For example the URL for the
F707 image is:

http://www.sonystyle.com/images/180x180/shots/dscf707.jpg

With that logic, one would expect the F717 image to be at this URL:

http://www.sonystyle.com/images/180x180/shots/dscf717.jpg

Well, darn. It didn't work... yet, that is. :)

--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
--

Ulysses
 
I noticed what looks to be a peculiar British practice of referring

to manufacturers as “they” rather than “it.” In other words,
whenever Phil refers to a camera manufacturer, it is thus: “Sony

have decided to sell….” In the U.S., we would write, “Sony has
decided to sell….” I find it an interesting distinction. In the
U.S., Sony (or any company) is thought of as one entity, akin to an

“it” rather than a plural “they.” It seems to me that the British
look at corporations not as entities, but as populations. Thus,
Sony is a group of individuals rather than one single corporation.
Am I correct on this?
--

Interesting - many, many years ago, when I was at school, I was taught to use collective nouns such as "flock" as singular. However, it is now common to use them as plurals "... the flock were seen to fly...". this applies to both USA and UK (I have a lot of dealings with both sides of the pond). What I saw as wrong use of the plural irritated the pedant in me. However, just last week I noted a para in a USA book stating that if the context referred to the individual members of the collective noun then it was appropriate to use the plural - but if it referred to the entirety, then the singular was correct. This makes some sort of sense. Thus, if one is referring to Sony as an entity it should be singular, but if the word "Sony" is being used to imply individual employees or groups within the company then the plural should be the choice.

Sandy
 
Given the Olympus announcement of the 5050, which is basically a 4040 with a new 1/1.8" 5 megapixel sensor, I would expect other manufacturers to be doing the same, i.e. I'd expect a Canon G3 which would be a G2 but with the new 1/1.8" 5 megapixel sensor.

But what will Sony have for us??? I wouldn't mind seeing basically a rehash of the 707 only with more processing options and a more retro human interface, and perhaps where the filter would not block the laser and ir emitters. Maybe a little more on the wide and tele end of that already great Zeis lens. We can dream....
Canon... schmanon...

They'll probably be doing a G3/G5 or something like that. Nothing
new and nothing fun.
 
Thanks for providing the link. Very funny and enjoyable. I especially liked Phil's responses. He does have a good (and British) sense of humor.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=44029
I noticed what looks to be a peculiar British practice of referring
to manufacturers as “they” rather than “it.” In other words,
whenever Phil refers to a camera manufacturer, it is thus: “Sony
have decided to sell….” In the U.S., we would write, “Sony has
decided to sell….” I find it an interesting distinction. In the
U.S., Sony (or any company) is thought of as one entity, akin to an
“it” rather than a plural “they.” It seems to me that the British
look at corporations not as entities, but as populations. Thus,
Sony is a group of individuals rather than one single corporation.
Am I correct on this?
--

Ulysses
 
I bet (have no doubt) you and Ulysses will get the 717 (or
whatever) because anyone that regularly takes part in these forums
needs to keep current. How many camera owners talk about their
F505, F505V or S70?
Like I said, this all depends on what features Sony improves on the new camera. Currently I am only interested in three major feature improvements, one is better flash option, as for most of the subjects I am interested in has very strong light from above, but no light from below. Additional flash options will help here. 2nd is maybe more zoom, but not in normal mode, in macro mode. I am hitting the limit with having to take macros and the object is 20-24" away. 3rd is more pixels, reason for this is what the macros lacks, I can always use more pixels to crop the photos so the end result will look larger and not lose the details.

Color sat. WB believe it or not actually arent issues for me.
Unless you and Ulysses defect over to Canon, I can't see you guys
not getting the latest Sony. And that is not likely (that you
will leave Sony) because of all the accessories you guys have.
LOL, I actually dont have much, other then a tripod, 5T and 6T. But if I do jump ship, as of this point the Fuji S2 Pro ranks #1 on the list compared to the Canon or Nikon.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
 
BTW Omega, I forgot to say, "Thanks" for the tidbit of what you knew. =/

This is going to be fun to see what comes of your "pre-pre-announcement" most likely this October. hehe

D.
I don't have specs yet, but starting price is $999.99 and I can
provide the BB SKU if someone truly needs proof (won't post it here
because I really don't want snitches bothering me). Hint is:
xxx5502.
It was added to the system on 8/16/02.

Waiting for 'the system' to have a comparison compared to the 707
plus full spec differences.

Hope this doesn't bother too many people...
--
DeeDee G.
http://www.pbase.com/deedee_g/root
 

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