Canon 60D possibly on the horizon

graphikal · Jul 14, 2009

gotak said:
There's no reason to go to a 12.1 mp sensor.

I can think of some reasons right off the top of my head: smaller file size, higher frame rate, and increased per-pixel quality including dynamic range (which cannot be supplied by smaller pixels of similar design).

gotak said:
Watch Nikon's going to go up in mp as well for the D300 replacement.

That doesn't mean much. As the 50D and pocket cams show, there is a point of diminishing returns when you make pixels smaller. You're buying into the marketing gimmickry of the megapixel war.

Increasing megapixels at this point makes more sense for full frame cameras, because they are not so close to the point of diminishing returns. In addition, the increase from 12 MP to 15 MP provides only a 10-11% increase in maximum theoretical resolution.

gotak said:
I mean just look at the rest of the rumor. Build quality of a 5D with the AF system out of a 1D? Talk about cannibalizing your own lines! That would really make people wonder why they'd get a 5D or 1D.

People would get a 5D II for the better image quality, full frame, etc. They'd get a 1D for better frame rate, build, etc. But you are certainly right that they would be foolish to implement all features of the 1D Mark III in a smaller, cheaper body and expect to sell more of the more expensive model.

So it makes plenty of sense if you actually take the time to think it through.

Jim Graziano · Jul 14, 2009

. . . .as I was told by a retail employee that Canon has lowered (already discounted) prices for them to buy directly from Canon (accommodations). They usually do this to to clear out inventory in preparation for something new. The 50D was one of the things lowered.
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bronxbombers · Jul 14, 2009

ain't

Jim Graziano · Jul 14, 2009

There may be a 60D soon, and there may be a new 1.3 camera, but I highly doubt they are the same. It just doesn't make sense to make a major fundamental change to the xxD, such as different sized sensor which will obsolete -S lenses.
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Kevin Barrett · Jul 14, 2009

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David_C · Jul 14, 2009

Other than the FF sensor in the 5D2, the Nikon D700 leaves the 5D2 in it's dust, well except for you video guys.

Regarding the 50D vs D300, there is no contest, the Nikon D300 is superior, even thought the D300 is 12mp. The 50D's 15mp sensor high ISO is a marketing department fart.

The new Pentax K7 has full pro weather seals for $1300 US.

If all you do is shoot landscape, you don't even have to buy the 5D2, just get the 500D, there's not much difference between 15mp and 21mp, or 3.5 FPS vs 3.9 FPS, or 9 AF points vs 9+6 AF points, and we all know the weather seals in the 5D2 are worthless, just stitch the photos in PS. $800 vs $2700.

The problems I have with 1.3 crop is there is no wide lenses. Canon has to make a 12-24 f/4 so the 1.3 crop can get to 16mm, just like the 10-22 gets 1.6 crop to 16mm. Without a 12-24 lens the 1.3 crop is dead in the water.

I'm not even looking for 45 point AF in the mid-level bodies, but they better have at least 29 points (half way between 9 and 45). And the AF actually has to work, unlike the 1D3 and low light problems of 5D2.

http://www.kareldonk.com/karel/2009/02/09/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-not-worth-it-save-your-money/

Have a nice day, and smile.

Dave

Gerrit Smit · Jul 14, 2009

papparazzi said:
Canon could definitely use a bump in the prosumer market. Their 40D was a phenomenal success, which was followed only a year later by the lackluster sales of the 50D.

It does not make sense to substitute a 1.6 crop camera with a 1.3 crop camera. The T1i will be the top 1.6 crop camera?

Agree that what you describe will be for the 7D.

On Flickr I see that the 40D has 3950 users, the 50D 1738 users and the Nikon D300 has 2791 users ( all as per today, July 14th, 2009 )

The 50D is still selling, so the number of users will increase. Probably it will not beat the 40D, but on the other hand, I don't think the 50D is a disaster, it's still among the most popular DSLR cameras.

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GeorgeML · Jul 14, 2009

PeaceFrog said:
That is the most unappealing rumor I have heard yet. If this is what Canon decided to do I would say they have pretty much gone in the wrong direction in every place possible.

My thoughts exactly!

Especially if the 1D4 stays with a 1.3x sensor, as current rumors are suggesting.

There's a pent-up demand in the Canon camp for an advanced prosumer camera - but this camera should be 1.6x or FF, not 1.3x.

Canon, stop recycling and repackaging your old technology.
Come up with something really good and people will pay the price.

GeorgeML · Jul 14, 2009

severoon said:
Could it be that Canon simply wants to see the response to speculation that they're looking to move away from the EF-S line of lenses?

Quite possible.
The 1.3x rumors this year have been more persistent than ever.

Looks like somebody is trying to evaluate if the 1.3x sensor can be retired or can be milked for a little more.

To Canon's marketing department - guys, don't confuse the demand for an advanced prosumer camera with the demand for a 1.3x sensor.

michi098 · Jul 14, 2009

RobertMartinu said:
Going cheaper isn't always the best way to create sales.

You really think that basically doubling the sales price will, or even may, create more sales? No way. If there was a 60D for $1,100 and a 7D for $1,600, that might be different. But $2,000, I really doubt it.

Jeff Peterman · Jul 14, 2009

The interesting thing about the horizon is that it never gets closer. So, just because it's "on the horizon" doesn't mean that well actually see one any time soon!
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RobertAC · Jul 14, 2009

I don't. If the 60D is a 1.3x I think I will keep my 50D. I just got my 100-400 and I want it to stay a 100-400. Well, a 160-640.

I can't afford a 500.
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Michael Eckstein · Jul 14, 2009

I'm sure they have planned updates to compete with Nikon. But I don't think they are suffering too badly from the competition.

We are the ones who stand to gain from this "rivalry." I think the rivalry is more in our minds than theirs.

These sales figures are directly from the Nikon & Canon 2008 Annual reports to their stock holders. I don't think I made any big errors in converting yen to dollars.

Nikon Camera camera division worldwide sales $6.2 billion

Canon Camera camera division worldwide sales $10.2 billon

Total Nikon Corp Sales $10+ billion

Total Canon Corp Sales $40+ billion

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Steven · Jul 14, 2009

David_C said:
Other than the FF sensor in the 5D2, the Nikon D700 leaves the 5D2 in it's dust, well except for you video guys.

Regarding the 50D vs D300, there is no contest, the Nikon D300 is superior, even thought the D300 is 12mp. The 50D's 15mp sensor high ISO is a marketing department fart.

The new Pentax K7 has full pro weather seals for $1300 US.

If all you do is shoot landscape, you don't even have to buy the 5D2, just get the 500D, there's not much difference between 15mp and 21mp, or 3.5 FPS vs 3.9 FPS, or 9 AF points vs 9+6 AF points, and we all know the weather seals in the 5D2 are worthless, just stitch the photos in PS. $800 vs $2700.

The problems I have with 1.3 crop is there is no wide lenses. Canon has to make a 12-24 f/4 so the 1.3 crop can get to 16mm, just like the 10-22 gets 1.6 crop to 16mm. Without a 12-24 lens the 1.3 crop is dead in the water.

I'm not even looking for 45 point AF in the mid-level bodies, but they better have at least 29 points (half way between 9 and 45). And the AF actually has to work, unlike the 1D3 and low light problems of 5D2.

http://www.kareldonk.com/karel/2009/02/09/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-not-worth-it-save-your-money/

Have a nice day, and smile.

Dave

What a stupid statement. You must read a lot. Because you never owned these cameras.

Steven · Jul 14, 2009

Never happen

JoeyBowman · Jul 14, 2009

I thought the exact opposite when I read the rumored specs, everything I want in a body personally.

Though it sounds a lot like a possible 1D MK IV than it does a 60D or XXD body. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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MAC · Jul 14, 2009

don't hold your breath on this one

papparazzi said:
"There are rumors buzzing around the internet that Canon was not happy with the sales of the 50D. So, they have apparently made it a point to go out and attack Nikon and the success that they have had with their D300.

If reports are correct, Canon's next mid-level DSLR body, the 60D, will ship with a new 12.1 MP APS-H sensor. That would be the same sized sensor that is featured on their 1D series pro bodies. The APS-H sensor is in between the size of a full frame 35mm camera and the APS-C sensor that is found on most of Canon's consumer bodies. The APS-H sensor gives a crop factor of 1.3x, as opposed to the 1.6x made by the APS-C, therefore making it closer to full-frame sized, and also probably not compatible with Canon's EF-S line of lenses optimized for the smaller APS-C sensor. That may be an issue for some Canon owners looking to upgrade bodies, since it is a possibility that some of their lenses may not work with their new purchase.

It is also stated that the 60D will feature a version of the 1D's superior autofocus system and the same build quality as the 5D Mark II. It is expected to stay close to the 6fps mark that the current model hovers around. The hopes is that it will launch around the $1999 price point.

Canon could definitely use a bump in the prosumer market. Their 40D was a phenomenal success, which was followed only a year later by the lackluster sales of the 50D. If the rumors hold up, the 60D should be exactly what people are looking for in a prosumer body. A proven autofocus system with more AF points, a larger image sensor, great build quality, and a nice framerate. Throw in HD video and its golden.
Now the waiting begins.... "

Source: http://www.examiner.com/x-12792-Dallas-Photo-Technology-Examiner~y2009m7d13-Canon-60D-possibly-on-the-horizon
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tko · Jul 14, 2009

Remember all the speculation on the 5dII? The sky was the limit. Remember the disappointment when it came out?

If they couldn't put a superior AF system in the mk II, how will they do it for 60D?

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jonrobertp · Jul 14, 2009

jonrobertp · Jul 14, 2009

either. To forever stay behind N. in the range of $1300 to $3000. bodies. They need to and will do something...if they didn't drink de-caf.

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