Angular Mo
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E-P1 + zoom kit lens: image soft, poor 3D feel, flare and bad highlight details
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Greg Gebhardt
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so threatened he started another DPR account just to lay this rotten egg on the Oly Forum.
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
I am here.
I am not going to offense any person or any brand. Just want to get the truth.
Let me give some of the pictures to support my points:
First, I would like to compare E-P1 with entry-to-mid level APS-C DSLR, e.g. Nikon D5000 or Canon 500D.
1. Image from DPreview:
(later I found that it's taken by 50mm not the kit lens, sorry)
Do you think it's soft and poor red gradient?
2. From LetsGoDigital:
Do you think the picture is not satuate, and seems it's caused by flare
3. From ePhotozine:
Do you think the highlight details are lost
I don't want to make any conclusion, and would like to make a fair judgement from your eyes.
I am not going to offense any person or any brand. Just want to get the truth.
Let me give some of the pictures to support my points:
First, I would like to compare E-P1 with entry-to-mid level APS-C DSLR, e.g. Nikon D5000 or Canon 500D.
1. Image from DPreview:
(later I found that it's taken by 50mm not the kit lens, sorry)
Do you think it's soft and poor red gradient?
2. From LetsGoDigital:
Do you think the picture is not satuate, and seems it's caused by flare
3. From ePhotozine:
Do you think the highlight details are lost
I don't want to make any conclusion, and would like to make a fair judgement from your eyes.
Bagginz
Senior Member
I reaaly dont think that pic needs mores saturation consider the color red if you look closely he was taking a spot shot of the antae of the flower thats what i am seeing anyways..could be wrong
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OLY E-P1
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Canon 100mm F2.8
Canon 500D Macro 77mm
Canon 24-70 F2.8l
Canon 16-35 mmm version II wide angle lens
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OLY E-P1
Canon 1DS MKIII
Canon 100mm F2.8
Canon 500D Macro 77mm
Canon 24-70 F2.8l
Canon 16-35 mmm version II wide angle lens
Angular Mo
Senior Member
Mr (or MS) Wo,
Welcome back (!) to a discussion you started, please stick around and have a substantive discourse.
Apologies for calling you a name. I hope it is not deserved.
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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
Welcome back (!) to a discussion you started, please stick around and have a substantive discourse.
Apologies for calling you a name. I hope it is not deserved.
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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
polarabbit
Senior Member
do you like the details on this one? does it look sharp to you?
how about this one? see anything you don't like about it?
like you said, draw your own conclusions. i took these with my own hands using my own EP1. these are not pictures i just took from an online review.
Canon Pro1, Epson RD1s, Leica M8, Fuji S3 Pro, Sigma DP1&2, Panasonic LX3, Ricoh GRD & CX1, Olympus Pen E-P1
how about this one? see anything you don't like about it?
like you said, draw your own conclusions. i took these with my own hands using my own EP1. these are not pictures i just took from an online review.
--I am here.
I am not going to offense any person or any brand. Just want to get the truth.
Let me give some of the pictures to support my points:
First, I would like to compare E-P1 with entry-to-mid level APS-C DSLR, e.g. Nikon D5000 or Canon 500D.
1. Image from DPreview:
(later I found that it's taken by 50mm not the kit lens, sorry)
Do you think it's soft and poor red gradient?
2. From LetsGoDigital:
Do you think the picture is not satuate, and seems it's caused by flare
3. From ePhotozine:
Do you think the highlight details are lost
I don't want to make any conclusion, and would like to make a fair judgement from your eyes.
Canon Pro1, Epson RD1s, Leica M8, Fuji S3 Pro, Sigma DP1&2, Panasonic LX3, Ricoh GRD & CX1, Olympus Pen E-P1
Dear Polarabbit, your photos are really nice!! (nice is your photo taking technique)
Well, you are a Leica owner, I believe know what is a good lens.
For the 1st photo, do you think the color is a bit wash out? Of course, you can say it's easy to make it satuate using photoshop. However, I think, even you make it satuate, it's not a photo with rich color levels.
For the cat photo, I don't have the original photo, however, from the Cat's eye, do you think the highight area is blowed out? -- don't blame me if it's actually not, because I just have a small photo.....
I know I can't compare it with Leica, however, do you think it's fair to compare 17mm F2.8 pancake with, say, Nikon 35mm F2.8 prime? I really want to see such comparison
Well, you are a Leica owner, I believe know what is a good lens.
For the 1st photo, do you think the color is a bit wash out? Of course, you can say it's easy to make it satuate using photoshop. However, I think, even you make it satuate, it's not a photo with rich color levels.
For the cat photo, I don't have the original photo, however, from the Cat's eye, do you think the highight area is blowed out? -- don't blame me if it's actually not, because I just have a small photo.....
I know I can't compare it with Leica, however, do you think it's fair to compare 17mm F2.8 pancake with, say, Nikon 35mm F2.8 prime? I really want to see such comparison
polarabbit
Senior Member
Hi Wo,
color not washed out in first shot. it is the famous "haze" in shanghai. if you look at the sky you will know what i mean. it is very difficult to find a day when the air is clear in shanghai, so much more often than not pictures taken here will be more dull, esp during daytime.
cat's eye is not blown at all. if you want the original i can send it to you.
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polarabbit
Senior Member
forgot about this part. i don't have any experience with the 35/f2.8 so cannot comment on it. but i think what i can confidently say is that for what it is, both oly kit lenses for the EP1 are very usable and often times can give very good results. if you also take into account their form factor, then all the more reason to have them with the EP1.
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Canon Pro1, Epson RD1s, Leica M8, Fuji S3 Pro, Sigma DP1&2, Panasonic LX3, Ricoh GRD & CX1, Olympus Pen E-P1
polarabbit
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Greg Gebhardt
Forum Pro
If you are asking if the highlight in the cat's eye is blown out you are a NUT CASE!
You have much to learn.
The DO have a beginners forum, you need to spend some time there!
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
You have much to learn.
The DO have a beginners forum, you need to spend some time there!
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
Tedwill48170
Leading Member
I just received my Pen camera. I got it with the 14-42 and the 17. I do like the 17 a lot more for low light photos, but the 14-42 is not bad at all. It is pretty sharp.
However, there is really no use arguing with someone who is used to using the brighter SLR lenses. What this camera does well is create a new category between point and shoot and DSLR. I am very impressed so far. I'll post some shots later.
The ONLY thing I'm not happy about is that I jumped the gun and bought it before Adobe created a new version of ACR to support it. I'm sure it will be out soon, but the RAW software that comes with the Pen is pretty bad.
-Ted
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However, there is really no use arguing with someone who is used to using the brighter SLR lenses. What this camera does well is create a new category between point and shoot and DSLR. I am very impressed so far. I'll post some shots later.
The ONLY thing I'm not happy about is that I jumped the gun and bought it before Adobe created a new version of ACR to support it. I'm sure it will be out soon, but the RAW software that comes with the Pen is pretty bad.
-Ted
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Fran
Greg Gebhardt
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I have been using PS for so long I do not care to even look at other software. I have waitied many times for Adobe to come out with a plug in for a new camera and it is ALWAYS well worth the wait.
The best JPEGS are all quite nice and I will be using it a good bit.
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
The best JPEGS are all quite nice and I will be using it a good bit.
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
Your images are very clear and crisp.
What process (workflow) did you use or were these images staright out of the E-P1?
Did you sharpen the images and what software did you use please?
I come from the Nikon world and used Capture NX2 to sharpen my D70 raw images and they were tact sharp.
Your pictures show me that this camera has the ability to produce sharp pics.
Thanks for sharing.
George
What process (workflow) did you use or were these images staright out of the E-P1?
Did you sharpen the images and what software did you use please?
I come from the Nikon world and used Capture NX2 to sharpen my D70 raw images and they were tact sharp.
Your pictures show me that this camera has the ability to produce sharp pics.
Thanks for sharing.
George
Tedwill48170
Leading Member
I have a workflow that involves editing multiple RAW photos in ACR, then in Photoshop using NIK filters. I am now (temporarily) using the Olympus Master software to edit the RAW files. It's a bit cumbersome and not nearly as good as ACR, but it will do for now. I hope Adobe hurries up with their update for this camera.
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I find many samples were back-focused.
And all JPEG samples I've seen were rather poor in gradation, leading to that flat and dull look. It's a big contrast to images from Sigma DP1, which are superb in gradation, and looked 'real'.
G1/GH1's JPEG samples were a notch better overall. If they share the same sensor, then this IQ issue maybe resolved by taking RAW.
And all JPEG samples I've seen were rather poor in gradation, leading to that flat and dull look. It's a big contrast to images from Sigma DP1, which are superb in gradation, and looked 'real'.
G1/GH1's JPEG samples were a notch better overall. If they share the same sensor, then this IQ issue maybe resolved by taking RAW.
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