know what bothers most with 6900/602?

You know what bothers me most with the 6900/602/4900?

The lack of twist-out LCD screen - simply denys me of doing many people candid shots. Kills alot of photo oppertunities.

Looking directly in the back LCD or through the EVF immediately gives out you're taking someone's picture - even at full zoom. Bad. Fuji listen. Great cameras otherwise. Also add focus assist lamp, but that's not for this post.
;-)

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Ido.
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Mindbomb,

I think you have a good point in your aruguement for the swivel screen. I want one.

If only, Fuji would engineer a better manual focus assist in the viewfinder. So that I can use manual focus, without having to continually search back and forth trying to focus the daggone camera.

My other wish would be a infinity symbol, either in the viewfinder or on the focus ring. Small gripes, the 602 really is a fun camera to use.
--
Regards,
Ben

http://www.pbase.com/builderpop
You are not what you own.
C-2100, Fuji S602, and a 20 year old Mamiya film camera.

I absolutely agree. Of all my cameras, I use 6900 for candid shots because it's small size makes it less noticable and easy to hide from people. However, I share the same problem as yours. (No twist-out LCD)

Here's how I deal with it. I use wide angle lens. I put the camera on my waist or simply hold it with one hand while standing in public (pretending that the camera is off) but I keep on clicking. (1MP, Auto Mode) Surpringly, I get about 7 out of 10 that are good. Almost none are cut out. The other 3 would be out of focus. and out of 7 pictures, I would probably get 3-4 really good ones.

The other style that I use is a mirror. Now this would sound really desperate. I made myself a periscope-like LCD. I attached it on the side of 6900. It relies on the reflection of the LCD. This is not very good and I only use it when the model isn't moving and I want to make sure the photo is focused and subject is in the center of the picture.

Sometimes I just point the camera to my target. I take about 3 shots of the person and then allow him/her to walk pass by. But I keep the camera pointed on the same position pretending I was aiming at someone/something else. The person usually just ignore the thought that they've been taken a picture. Also, I find that taking candid shots while sitting at a patio of a restaurant or any public seats helps become less noticable to my targets.

And finally there's CP5700. I borrow one from my sister but I think I'm getting one for myself. I had one problem though. I remember using it on a late late afternoon. The internal flash is off (hidden) I was on the street, I used the twist-out LCD, aimed the the camera facing sideways to two beautiful ladies. I saw on the LCD that they were looking at me but I was so sure they never thought they're going to be taken a picture because I wasn't facing them. So I waited until they were closer. But as soon as I pressed the button, this internal flash popped up out by itself and flashed a very bright light to their face. They stopped and stared at me but I was embarrased to I left the scene immediately.

So yeah, desperate it may sound, but for that twist-out LCD alone, I would consider CP5700. If Fuji 6900 has such an LCD, I would never think of 5700. I hope Fuji release a camera soon with twist-out LCD.

Mindbomb said:

You know what bothers me most with the 6900/602/4900?

The lack of twist-out LCD screen - simply denys me of doing many
people candid shots. Kills alot of photo oppertunities.

Looking directly in the back LCD or through the EVF immediately
gives out you're taking someone's picture - even at full zoom. Bad.
Fuji listen. Great cameras otherwise. Also add focus assist lamp,
but that's not for this post.
;-)

--
Ido.
http://www.pbase.com/idok

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Man, I've had exactly all your experiences .. spooky

Last month I did a shoot in a popular bayside area (that's also notorious for drug dealers, prostitutes and crims). I had a few suspects approach me demanding to know what I was doing, and plenty of other "concerned" looks. Talk about adrenalin rush

As far as the LCD issue, I've often postulated (legal in Aussie) that you do away with the built in LCD and just have a mini-fiber connector. Then you could make available all sorts of LCD options and sizes, even third party.

It would make the "base camera" cheaper and the user would decide IF they even needed an LCD. I'm defintely getting interested in the new "wearable headset" type of LCD's.
JKirk

Setheus said:

Setheus wrote:
I absolutely agree. Of all my cameras, I use 6900 for candid shots
because it's small size makes it less noticable and easy to hide
from people. However, I share the same problem as yours. (No
twist-out LCD)

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Setheus said:

Here's how I deal with it. I use wide angle lens. I put the camera
on my waist or simply hold it with one hand while standing in
public (pretending that the camera is off) but I keep on clicking.
(1MP, Auto Mode) Surpringly, I get about 7 out of 10 that are good.
Almost none are cut out. The other 3 would be out of focus. and out
of 7 pictures, I would probably get 3-4 really good ones.

Click to expand...

Setheus said:

The other style that I use is a mirror. Now this would sound really
desperate. I made myself a periscope-like LCD. I attached it on
the side of 6900. It relies on the reflection of the LCD. This is
not very good and I only use it when the model isn't moving and I
want to make sure the photo is focused and subject is in the center
of the picture.

Click to expand...

Setheus said:

Sometimes I just point the camera to my target. I take about 3
shots of the person and then allow him/her to walk pass by. But I
keep the camera pointed on the same position pretending I was
aiming at someone/something else. The person usually just ignore
the thought that they've been taken a picture. Also, I find that
taking candid shots while sitting at a patio of a restaurant or any
public seats helps become less noticable to my targets.

Click to expand...

Setheus said:

And finally there's CP5700. I borrow one from my sister but I
think I'm getting one for myself. I had one problem though. I
remember using it on a late late afternoon. The internal flash is
off (hidden) I was on the street, I used the twist-out LCD, aimed
the the camera facing sideways to two beautiful ladies. I saw on
the LCD that they were looking at me but I was so sure they never
thought they're going to be taken a picture because I wasn't facing
them. So I waited until they were closer. But as soon as I pressed
the button, this internal flash popped up out by itself and
flashed a very bright light to their face. They stopped and stared
at me but I was embarrased to I left the scene immediately.

Click to expand...

Setheus said:

So yeah, desperate it may sound, but for that twist-out LCD alone,
I would consider CP5700. If Fuji 6900 has such an LCD, I would
never think of 5700. I hope Fuji release a camera soon with
twist-out LCD.

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Setheus said:

Setheus said:

Mindbomb wrote:
You know what bothers me most with the 6900/602/4900?
The lack of twist-out LCD screen - simply denys me of doing many
people candid shots. Kills alot of photo oppertunities.

Click to expand...

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Setheus said:

Setheus said:

Looking directly in the back LCD or through the EVF immediately
gives out you're taking someone's picture - even at full zoom. Bad.
Fuji listen. Great cameras otherwise. Also add focus assist lamp,
but that's not for this post.

Click to expand...

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Do any of you have a website?

also cant the lcd be replaced with a swivel one? like get someone to take the camera apart and put in a swivel onle. (this might be a stupid question as i have not seen the camera. I am geting a 4900z in a week HORRYA)

Great uses for a camera.

when i get mine i'm going to the gold coast great beach, great chicks.

Mindbomb said:

Looking directly in the back LCD or through the EVF immediately
gives out you're taking someone's picture - even at full zoom. Bad.
Fuji listen. Great cameras otherwise. Also add focus assist lamp,
but that's not for this post.

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You can always use the old wide angle trick......zoom out to full wide angle, turn off the flahs and just shoot from the hip, pointing the camera in the general direction of your subject. If you shoot in 3 or 6Mp mode, you can crop down in Photoshop and still get very nice prints.

Or check here:

http://www.porters.com/

They used to make a lens adapter with a 90 degree mirror in it......you focused straight ahead but the adpater to a picture 90 degrees to your lefy or right. Yeah sure, it's gimmicky and I've never used one, but hey, who knows? LOL

--
John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover

Mindbomb said:

You know what bothers me most with the 6900/602/4900?

The lack of twist-out LCD screen - simply denys me of doing many
people candid shots. Kills alot of photo oppertunities.

Click to expand...

Besides what some here wrote, wide angle from the hip, or just keep your camera pointed when the person is already gone I use a different 'trick' for people candid shots:

Compose your shot with full tele (+ B300 or another tele converter) and when a person looks in your lens just slowly pan away, like you are shooting video. Never had a single remark, and I do it a lot!

Some 'proof' of that ison this page:
http://www.pbase.com/markspix/602_test_june_11&page=3

--
Regards, Mark

Albums: http://community.webshots.com/user/marksfinepix
602 miscellaneous shots: http://www.pbase.com/markspix

Hi Setheus

Setheus said:

So I waited until they were closer. But as soon as I pressed
the button, this internal flash popped up out by itself and
flashed a very bright light to their face. They stopped and stared
at me but I was embarrased to I left the scene immediately.

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HaHa, very Freudian camera you've got there Setheus. just couldn't control itself eh!
Ian

Hi Mindbomb

Mark (nl) said:

Mindbomb said:

You know what bothers me most with the 6900/602/4900?

The lack of twist-out LCD screen - simply denys me of doing many
people candid shots. Kills alot of photo oppertunities.

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You're so right about this. When Sharp first put them on video cameras all the reviewers said 'Why?' No one's going to pay extra for that. Now try and find a video camera without one.

One day all cameras will have them. The photographic opportunities and control they open up are just enormous. So useful.
I still want a good EVF but I want a good tilt and fold LCD screen too.
Please listen Fuji for the 902 or whatever it'll be.
Ian

Hi Ben

Finding infinity might be one of those rare times when slipping into the SP modes could be useful. If you go into SP> landscape icon, I believe it always focuses on infinity. Some people have found this a really useful tip, and on the 6900 at least, the shutter speed is faster. Crazy, but you can get a shutter speed of 1/2000 on that setting with the 6900. I'm not really that up on all the settings on the 602 but it might be the same.

The reason that AF lenses can be manually focused beyond infinity (they all do it) is to allow for expansion. Otherwise they could only reach infinity at the temperature they were made / set up at.
regards
Ian

Ben King said:

Mindbomb,

I think you have a good point in your aruguement for the swivel
screen. I want one.

If only, Fuji would engineer a better manual focus assist in the
viewfinder. So that I can use manual focus, without having to
continually search back and forth trying to focus the daggone
camera.

My other wish would be a infinity symbol, either in the viewfinder
or on the focus ring. Small gripes, the 602 really is a fun camera
to use.
--
Regards,
Ben

http://www.pbase.com/builderpop
You are not what you own.
C-2100, Fuji S602, and a 20 year old Mamiya film camera.

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Ian,

Great tip, next time I try shooting a sunset I'll try your suggestion.

--
Regards,
Ben

http://www.pbase.com/builderpop
You are not what you own.
C-2100, Fuji S602, and a 20 year old Mamiya film camera.

Setheus said:

I absolutely agree. Of all my cameras, I use 6900 for candid shots
because it's small size makes it less noticable and easy to hide
from people. However, I share the same problem as yours. (No
twist-out LCD)

Here's how I deal with it. I use wide angle lens. I put the camera
on my waist or simply hold it with one hand while standing in
public (pretending that the camera is off) but I keep on clicking.
(1MP, Auto Mode) Surpringly, I get about 7 out of 10 that are good.
Almost none are cut out. The other 3 would be out of focus. and out
of 7 pictures, I would probably get 3-4 really good ones.

Click to expand...

That's a nice technique - but why 1MP?

Setheus said:

The other style that I use is a mirror. Now this would sound really
desperate. I made myself a periscope-like LCD. I attached it on
the side of 6900. It relies on the reflection of the LCD. This is
not very good and I only use it when the model isn't moving and I
want to make sure the photo is focused and subject is in the center
of the picture.

Click to expand...

Hmmm.. sound very desperate, but so is interesting.. Can you take a photo of this arrangement and show us?

Setheus said:

Sometimes I just point the camera to my target. I take about 3
shots of the person and then allow him/her to walk pass by. But I
keep the camera pointed on the same position pretending I was
aiming at someone/something else. The person usually just ignore
the thought that they've been taken a picture. Also, I find that
taking candid shots while sitting at a patio of a restaurant or any
public seats helps become less noticable to my targets.

Click to expand...

Yea, I just used this technique yesterday. Can't say I produced anything exciting.. It's a matter of luck and nerve.

Setheus said:

And finally there's CP5700. I borrow one from my sister but I
think I'm getting one for myself. I had one problem though. I
remember using it on a late late afternoon. The internal flash is
off (hidden) I was on the street, I used the twist-out LCD, aimed
the the camera facing sideways to two beautiful ladies. I saw on
the LCD that they were looking at me but I was so sure they never
thought they're going to be taken a picture because I wasn't facing
them. So I waited until they were closer. But as soon as I pressed
the button, this internal flash popped up out by itself and
flashed a very bright light to their face. They stopped and stared
at me but I was embarrased to I left the scene immediately.

Click to expand...

Wow, sounds bad. Can't you disable the flash all together, I bet you can and it was just an embarrasing human-err, ah?

Setheus said:

So yeah, desperate it may sound, but for that twist-out LCD alone,
I would consider CP5700. If Fuji 6900 has such an LCD, I would
never think of 5700. I hope Fuji release a camera soon with
twist-out LCD.

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Did you hear about the new Olympus 5050?
I guess Fuji will go to the same direction .. maybe a S802Z.

Take care.

--
Ido.
http://www.pbase.com/idok

jkirk@oz said:

It would make the "base camera" cheaper and the user would decide
IF they even needed an LCD. I'm defintely getting interested in the
new "wearable headset" type of LCD's.

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What's that? Where did you see that?
--
Ido.
http://www.pbase.com/idok

Davem44 said:

also cant the lcd be replaced with a swivel one? like get someone
to take the camera apart and put in a swivel onle. (this might be
a stupid question as i have not seen the camera. I am geting a
4900z in a week HORRYA)

Great uses for a camera.

when i get mine i'm going to the gold coast great beach, great
chicks.

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Be careful of chicks' boyfriends.. ;-)

--
Ido.
http://www.pbase.com/idok

Ok, will try that. Thanks.
I like the look on that nerd-looking chick in 0059 jpg.. ;-)

4900'r Mark said:

Mindbomb said:

You know what bothers me most with the 6900/602/4900?

The lack of twist-out LCD screen - simply denys me of doing many
people candid shots. Kills alot of photo oppertunities.

Click to expand...

Besides what some here wrote, wide angle from the hip, or just keep
your camera pointed when the person is already gone I use a
different 'trick' for people candid shots:

Compose your shot with full tele (+ B300 or another tele converter)
and when a person looks in your lens just slowly pan away, like
you are shooting video. Never had a single remark, and I do it a
lot!

Some 'proof' of that ison this page:
http://www.pbase.com/markspix/602_test_june_11&page=3

--
Regards, Mark

Albums: http://community.webshots.com/user/marksfinepix
602 miscellaneous shots: http://www.pbase.com/markspix

Click to expand...

--
Ido.
http://www.pbase.com/idok

John Glover said:

http://www.porters.com/

They used to make a lens adapter with a 90 degree mirror in
it......you focused straight ahead but the adpater to a picture 90
degrees to your lefy or right. Yeah sure, it's gimmicky and I've
never used one, but hey, who knows? LOL

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I'm sorry John, didn't manage to find that thing you're talking about.
Can you direct me? It sounds very interesting.

Thanks.

--
Ido.
http://www.pbase.com/idok

Mindbomb said:

John Glover said:

http://www.porters.com/

They used to make a lens adapter with a 90 degree mirror in
it......you focused straight ahead but the adpater to a picture 90
degrees to your lefy or right. Yeah sure, it's gimmicky and I've
never used one, but hey, who knows? LOL

Click to expand...

I'm sorry John, didn't manage to find that thing you're talking about.
Can you direct me? It sounds very interesting.

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Hi Ido,

I wish I could! i searched their website but could not the find adpater mainly because I do not remember what it was called!! Basically, this adpater looked like a regular camera lens and it screwed onto the filter threads. There was a small opening on side which revealed a mirror, which turned the image 90 degrees....so you just pointed staraight ahead but were shooting 90 degrees to one side. I seem to remember it beng called something like a side-shooter. It was also billed as a "spy lens".

I'm not sure of the quality, I imiagine it would not be the best as these were pretty cheap, but it would probalby give usable images. They used to advertise these a lot in the classified pages of magazines like Popular Photography and Shutterbug a few years ago. A quick glance at my current issue of Pop didn't find one though....

--
John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover