UK's war on photography continues

BRJR · Jun 20, 2009

1. The same, as in Iran, and look at what's happening there. The same, can happen in the U.K., Canada, Australia, France, Italy, Germany, and any other country that has insured it's citizens don't have guns/firearms; and, it's the very reason, our forefathers in the USA saw the need for Americans to have a constitutional right to own firearms. Should the US government ever get so foolish as to start beating up on/killing its citizens, on the scale, we have been seeing over the last few days in Iran, they would quickly find that we the citizens have far more armed manpower than the government does,

2. I hope, that now all you folks around the world that have not seen a reason for citizens to have an inherent right to own firearms, are now seeing why you're wrong.

--
BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)

deuxcent said:
Tim the Grey said:

At least over here we don't have nutters with handguns everywhere.

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That's true. The only people allowed to have such a weapon in the
U.K. wear a uniform and work for the government. I wonder why they
and their masters get more powerful all the time.

Personally, I love to shoot things and blow them up. People pay me
handsomely for the privilege so I'm not inclined to stop.

dc

lanef · Jun 20, 2009

BRJR said:
1. The same, as in Iran, and look at what's happening there. The
same, can happen in the U.K., Canada, Australia, France, Italy,
Germany, and any other country that has insured it's citizens don't
have guns/firearms; and, it's the very reason, our forefathers in the
USA saw the need for Americans to have a constitutional right to own
firearms. Should the US government ever get so foolish as to start
beating up on/killing its citizens, on the scale, we have been seeing
over the last few days in Iran, they would quickly find that we the
citizens have far more armed manpower than the government does,

You give me the feeling that before going to bed every night, you thoroughly check under your bed to make sure you don't have a Khomeini hiding there.

Please don't quote Australia as you know nothing about this continent. We do not have a gun culture, we do not run around with guns, we do not have mass killing, we have never shot any of our leaders, and our kids do not go on a rampage with guns at schools or universities. We use election to swap leaders not guns. You come across as someone very insecure.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/38519080@N00/sets/72157594443652688/

lanef · Jun 20, 2009

BRJR said:
Without our firearms, Americans would still be British subjects,

Do some research and find out how many countries have gained independence from the UK without guns.

May be you should rephrase that by replacing the words "without our firearms" with "without the help of the French"

bearzimages · Jun 21, 2009

BRJR said:
Without our firearms, Americans would still be British subjects,
speaking a funny version of English, drinking cups of hot tea, and
having to obey your laws,

Personally I wouldn't mind especially since the BBC has far better programing than American TV. Not to mention National Health & plenty of Dundee Ginger preserves for my crumpets! Hell where do I sign up to be British?

BRJR said:
BRJR said:

BRJR said:

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http://www.CherishtheMomentPhotography.net

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Know what? I keep reading much the same about the USofA, and I'm now
determined never to go there...

At least over here we don't have nutters with handguns everywhere.
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again.
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LeRentier · Jun 22, 2009

You really should not remind the gentleman of this because it does not fit in with his views on history.

Next he will try to boast about the great American sacrifices to liberate France whilst everybody knows that most of the casualties on Omaha beach were due to incompetence at many levels in the US chain of command.

The fact that Roosevelt intended to consider France as occupied enemy territory should not be mentioned either. That subject is completely off limits.

The very idea that Eisenhower considered landing in Normandy was only the most convenient way to make it to Berlin is to be brushed aside as well.

Please remember that the US is the only country in this world which knows what is right, for themselves and, it goes without saying, the rest of the planet.

deuxcent · Jun 22, 2009

Do not feed the troll. Please.
Also, all this is way off-topic. This is not the place.
Thank you!

dc

LeRentier said:
You really should not remind the gentleman of this because it does
not fit in with his views on history.
Next he will try to boast about the great American sacrifices to
liberate France whilst everybody knows that most of the casualties on
Omaha beach were due to incompetence at many levels in the US chain
of command.
The fact that Roosevelt intended to consider France as occupied enemy
territory should not be mentioned either. That subject is completely
off limits.
The very idea that Eisenhower considered landing in Normandy was only
the most convenient way to make it to Berlin is to be brushed aside
as well.
Please remember that the US is the only country in this world which
knows what is right, for themselves and, it goes without saying, the
rest of the planet.

Tim the Grey · Jun 22, 2009

Oh, sorry, you waited for 2 years before joining in.

I am sorry for folks who used to enjoy an evening in the gun club, target shooting. I am certainly not sorry handguns have been removed from our streets.

Sadly the drug gangs over here have learned from their friends over there, and AKs and Uzis are now the order of the day. Sadly with tragic consequences for innocent bystanders.

I don't have any fear of being shot or burgled. I certainly have no worries about carrying an expensive camera just about anywhere in the UK.

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Oliver Cardona · Jun 22, 2009

MisterBG said:
Funny how this thread is almost entirely comprised of contributions
posted by non-British know-nothings who have no experience of taking
photographs in the UK...

I'm non British, I love the UK, but quit going there and avoid connection flights in the UK a long because of the hassles I was getting either shooting photos, or excessive questioning and strip down searches at airports.

Maybe because I'm not fair skinned. It's a pity really, and I don't blame the British security for being cautions, but I just couldn't stand the ridicule anymore.
--

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Chato · Jun 22, 2009

lanef said:
BRJR said:

Without our firearms, Americans would still be British subjects,

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Do some research and find out how many countries have gained
independence from the UK without guns.

May be you should rephrase that by replacing the words "without our
firearms" with "without the help of the French"

I'm a firm supporter of the Second Amendment. The Troll you are critiquing doesn't know a gun from a bow and arrow.

I gather from the ignorant technical statements he's made about arms, that once again he's succeded in trolling you.

Feed him all you want, but I'm not going to join in.

Dave

tabloid · Jun 22, 2009

LeRentier said:
You really should not remind the gentleman of this because it does
not fit in with his views on history.
Next he will try to boast about the great American sacrifices to
liberate France whilst everybody knows that most of the casualties on
Omaha beach were due to incompetence at many levels in the US chain
of command.

----
Not as simple as that.
----

LeRentier said:
The fact that Roosevelt intended to consider France as occupied enemy
territory should not be mentioned either. That subject is completely
off limits.

---
Rubbish, uve just mentioned it.
But im not sure what u are talking about.
---

LeRentier said:
The very idea that Eisenhower considered landing in Normandy was only
the most convenient way to make it to Berlin is to be brushed aside
as well.

---
Not true, the Russians were to have Berlin (Yalta agreement)
---

LeRentier said:
Please remember that the US is the only country in this world which
knows what is right, for themselves and, it goes without saying, the
rest of the planet.

---
No truth in that.

In Europe all countries have their own political systems, nothing to do with America.

Most democratic countries are allies with each other, and thats the way it should be.

Harold66 · Jun 26, 2009

BRJR said:
2. I hope, that now all you folks around the world that have not
seen a reason for citizens to have an inherent right to own firearms,
are now seeing why you're wrong.

waouh , talk about baseless self-rationalization.

I have to admit that you manage with each posting to write something more irrelevant or unfounded or infuriatingly narrow-minded that the previous one

impressive in a sad , sad way....

H

tabloid · Jun 26, 2009

Harold66 said:
BRJR said:

2. I hope, that now all you folks around the world that have not
seen a reason for citizens to have an inherent right to own firearms,
are now seeing why you're wrong.

Click to expand...

waouh , talk about baseless self-rationalization.
I have to admit that you manage with each posting to write something
more irrelevant or unfounded or infuriatingly narrow-minded that the
previous one

impressive in a sad , sad way....

H

Can u imagine if every hoodie, skinhead,fanatic football supporter in the UK, could go into a store and buy a AK47, and a Desert Eagle at will for fun.
Say no more
George R

Chato · Jun 26, 2009

tabloid said:
Can u imagine if every hoodie, skinhead,fanatic football supporter
in the UK, could go into a store and buy a AK47, and a Desert Eagle
at will for fun.
Say no more
George R

You wouldn't have to worry about the government embedding a camera in your belly button. and two in your toilet bowl?

Oddly enough, that Swiss government gives everyone the equivalent of an AK 47. Maybe they don't have guys in hoodies?

Dave

tabloid · Jun 28, 2009

Chato said:
tabloid said:

Can u imagine if every hoodie, skinhead,fanatic football supporter
in the UK, could go into a store and buy a AK47, and a Desert Eagle
at will for fun.
Say no more
George R

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You wouldn't have to worry about the government embedding a camera in
your belly button. and two in your toilet bowl?

---
Im not sure what u are talking about here.
---

Chato said:
Oddly enough, that Swiss government gives everyone the equivalent of
an AK 47. Maybe they don't have guys in hoodies?

Dave

---
Hmmm again Im not sure what you are saying.

Ive been to Switzerland many many (i have relatives there) and ive NEVER seen anybody with a firearm.(on them or in their house)
The Swiss goverment is very dictatorial.
I wouldnt even sneeze the wrong way over there.

At one time if you stopped at the traffic lights you had to switch your engine off, although im not sure if that is still being enforced.

Chato · Jun 28, 2009

tabloid said:
Chato said:

Oddly enough, that Swiss government gives everyone the equivalent of
an AK 47. Maybe they don't have guys in hoodies?

Dave

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Hmmm again Im not sure what you are saying.
Ive been to Switzerland many many (i have relatives there) and ive
NEVER seen anybody with a firearm.(on them or in their house)
The Swiss goverment is very dictatorial.
I wouldnt even sneeze the wrong way over there.
At one time if you stopped at the traffic lights you had to switch
your engine off, although im not sure if that is still being enforced.

Who can deny what a perceptive guy you are?
****************************

Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
**********************************

While I am not as well armed as the average citizen of Switserland, shockingly I don't shoot people from my window on a regular basis.

However, it's an interesting picture you draw of the average Brit. Give them arms and all hell will break loose. The Swiss do have one of the lowest murder rates in the world. Hmm?

I should add however that BRJR is simply trolling you, and you bit. Actaully he wouldn't know a Smith and Wesson from a waffle iron.

Dave

Michael_J · Jun 28, 2009

bearzimages said:
Personally I wouldn't mind especially since the BBC has far better
programing than American TV.

"Are You Being Served?" You've got to be kidding!! ... Benny Hill, maybe.

Nothing beats:
Rawhide
Sugarfoot
Cheyenne
Branded
Bonanza
The Lone Ranger
Rin tin Tin
Gunsmoke
Maverick
Wagon Train
Roy Rogers
Big Vally
The Virginian
Davy Crockett
Rifleman
Colt 45

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.

tabloid · Jun 28, 2009

Chato said:
tabloid said:

Chato said:

Oddly enough, that Swiss government gives everyone the equivalent of
an AK 47. Maybe they don't have guys in hoodies?

Dave

Click to expand...

---
Hmmm again Im not sure what you are saying.
Ive been to Switzerland many many (i have relatives there) and ive
NEVER seen anybody with a firearm.(on them or in their house)
The Swiss goverment is very dictatorial.
I wouldnt even sneeze the wrong way over there.
At one time if you stopped at the traffic lights you had to switch
your engine off, although im not sure if that is still being enforced.

Click to expand...

Who can deny what a perceptive guy you are?
****************************
Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon
of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military
obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong
shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita.
Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for
tighter gun regulations.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
**********************************

While I am not as well armed as the average citizen of Switserland,
shockingly I don't shoot people from my window on a regular basis.
However, it's an interesting picture you draw of the average Brit.
Give them arms and all hell will break loose. The Swiss do have one
of the lowest murder rates in the world. Hmm?
I should add however that BRJR is simply trolling you, and you bit.
Actaully he wouldn't know a Smith and Wesson from a waffle iron.

Dave

---
We have a very bad 'youth' problem in the UK.
killings and stabings, are done almost on a daily basis.
More youths kill each other in the uk than troops get killed in Afganistan.

To allow youths in the uk to be able to purchase a hand gun at will would be plain lunacy.
Anyway its a pointless discussion as it will never happen.

In Israel many of the young men are always fully armed, but they seem to be well trained, and disciplined, not like the violent uneducated drunken rubbish that we have in the uk
Big difference.
George R

shay guevara · Jun 28, 2009

tabloid said:
Chato said:

tabloid said:

Chato said:

Oddly enough, that Swiss government gives everyone the equivalent of
an AK 47. Maybe they don't have guys in hoodies?

Dave

Click to expand...

---
Hmmm again Im not sure what you are saying.
Ive been to Switzerland many many (i have relatives there) and ive
NEVER seen anybody with a firearm.(on them or in their house)
The Swiss goverment is very dictatorial.
I wouldnt even sneeze the wrong way over there.
At one time if you stopped at the traffic lights you had to switch
your engine off, although im not sure if that is still being enforced.

Click to expand...

Who can deny what a perceptive guy you are?
****************************
Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon
of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military
obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong
shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita.
Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for
tighter gun regulations.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
**********************************

While I am not as well armed as the average citizen of Switserland,
shockingly I don't shoot people from my window on a regular basis.
However, it's an interesting picture you draw of the average Brit.
Give them arms and all hell will break loose. The Swiss do have one
of the lowest murder rates in the world. Hmm?
I should add however that BRJR is simply trolling you, and you bit.
Actaully he wouldn't know a Smith and Wesson from a waffle iron.

Dave

Click to expand...

---
We have a very bad 'youth' problem in the UK.
killings and stabings, are done almost on a daily basis.
More youths kill each other in the uk than troops get killed in
Afganistan.
To allow youths in the uk to be able to purchase a hand gun at will
would be plain lunacy.
Anyway its a pointless discussion as it will never happen.
In Israel many of the young men are always fully armed, but they
seem to be well trained, and disciplined, not like the violent
uneducated drunken rubbish that we have in the uk
Big difference.
George R

Just to keep the facts straight, the Swiss 'ammunition packs at home' is a myth these days. The Swiss legislated in September 2007 to ban the keeping of military (not private) ammunition at home (apart from the 2% of troops serving in public security units) and all those 50 round 'ready use' ammunition packs have been out of peoples homes and back in the military armouries for some time now.

--
Shay

Chato · Jun 28, 2009

tabloid said:
We have a very bad 'youth' problem in the UK.
killings and stabings, are done almost on a daily basis.
More youths kill each other in the uk than troops get killed in
Afganistan.
To allow youths in the uk to be able to purchase a hand gun at will
would be plain lunacy.
Anyway its a pointless discussion as it will never happen.
In Israel many of the young men are always fully armed, but they
seem to be well trained, and disciplined, not like the violent
uneducated drunken rubbish that we have in the uk
Big difference.
George R

I am no expert on violence trends in the UK. Nor am I suggesting that legalising guns is somehow going to "cure" your problem.

But it seems to be that there is a relationship between the increasing number of totalitarian steps by your government, and this trend. It's called, "alienation." As your laws become more and more vague and undefined, there is an increasing tendancy to leave all of these problems to government. Six million or so cameras? Good, that'll help law enforcement. Give the police arbitrary power? You bet, enough of this namby pamby treatment.

Collect everyones DNA? Yup, that will end crime. Make photographing certain places illegal, and then keep the locations of these places a secret? Makes sense!

Well, these young people are not influenced, nor do they know any of these matters. But they ARE influenced by the kind of public attitudes that their parents and peers express. They in fact, like young people all over the world, are the creations of thier elders. There is something wrong with your society (and to mine as well) where we embrace the very things that cause the problem and demand more of the same.

Dave

BRJR · Jun 28, 2009

1. Well, frankly I have better things to monitor, than: "he wouldn't know a Smith and Wesson from a waffle iron", now that a military coup has taken over in Honduras & kicked out their president. And, of all things, there are over 500 US troops there that had been training this same Honduras military in things to include: "Rule of Civil Law". Folks, it's like some Posts, in this Thread ------ how, funnier can it get,

(breaking news)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iKuNSacA5c

(US Army, is Down There; and, has been involved with the Honduras military in some way, as usual)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZKdV2yb0HU

(Some photos, slide show of Honduras Army; 2yrs old, but show how peaceful they are, even shows women in the ranks ---- has been stripped of its sound)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZb00slIVqA&NR=1

2. Now, with serious repressions of "rights" going on in Iran, China, NK, and now Honduras, you all, still going to posts trivial such as "photographer rights" this, and "photographers rights" that; or, is it time we take on more serious things that really affect photographers and all citizens of the world,

--
BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)

Chato said:
tabloid said:

Chato said:

Oddly enough, that Swiss government gives everyone the equivalent of
an AK 47. Maybe they don't have guys in hoodies?

Dave

Click to expand...

---
Hmmm again Im not sure what you are saying.
Ive been to Switzerland many many (i have relatives there) and ive
NEVER seen anybody with a firearm.(on them or in their house)
The Swiss goverment is very dictatorial.
I wouldnt even sneeze the wrong way over there.
At one time if you stopped at the traffic lights you had to switch
your engine off, although im not sure if that is still being enforced.

Click to expand...

Who can deny what a perceptive guy you are?
****************************
Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. The personal weapon
of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military
obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong
shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita.
Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for
tighter gun regulations.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
**********************************

While I am not as well armed as the average citizen of Switserland,
shockingly I don't shoot people from my window on a regular basis.
However, it's an interesting picture you draw of the average Brit.
Give them arms and all hell will break loose. The Swiss do have one
of the lowest murder rates in the world. Hmm?
I should add however that BRJR is simply trolling you, and you bit.
Actaully he wouldn't know a Smith and Wesson from a waffle iron.

Dave

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