Awesome... first Thom Hogan, now Ken Rockwell!

Brian Mosley · Jun 19, 2009

Wow,

Olympus must have done something groundshaking with the E-P1... first we have the (very welcome) distinguished Nikon technical author/marketing pundit Thom Hogan joining us here in the Oly forum - while he's waiting for his pre-ordered E-P1 to arrive.

Now Ken Rockwell has started writing about the E-P1 here :
http://kenrockwell.com/olympus/e-p1.htm

( Interesting concept by Ken there - quarter frame sensor. lol)

...and will be writing more when his E-P1 arrives!

Looks like many, many more Nikon users are going to be finding out about Olympus cameras and lenses thanks to these two prominent figures.

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geetwee · Jun 20, 2009

Ken Rockwell:

"In other words, we still don't know if it's fast enough for family photos. Probably not, meaning a real DSLR like the D40 is still needed for photos of things that move, but for use in low light for subjects that hold still, the Olympus E-P1 could be a real step forward from traditional point-and-shoots."

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WirenL · Jun 20, 2009

to have these camera snob nincompoops joining us here on the forum.

Quote:

"I suspect the people who will love the E-P1 the best are those who want higher digital quality than a smaller compact, but can't carry a real SLR like the D40. I doubt that the E-P1 is suitable for shooting action; it is for still subjects."

Funny how a small camera like the E-P1 probably won't be able to shoot anything that may move, yet has a shutter speed of what.........1/4000..?!? Try and get your little Canon SD880 to shoot at that speed!

Even though he seems intrigued enough to try this freak show of a concept camera, I feel compelled to go out and buy myself a real DSR.......like the D40.....NOT!!!

Try it first before you start knocking it there bud. I haven't clipped a Canikon, Sony or Pentax at the heel, since I am not sure how I may like them if I tried them, it's called reserving judgment (positive or negative) until the jury is actually in, try it sometime.

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talephotos · Jun 20, 2009

Yes his quatre frame arguement is funny. It contradicts his arguement against Megapixels - he uses it to promote the 35mm size (undermine FT) like megapixels are used to promote the number of pixels (undermine FT).

Now viewfinder and only a delayed finder. What a shame. Not to mention no filter thread.

He has already ordered one...

As soon as I personally get my hands on one I will try it out for action

See if I can cunger up a picture better than dpreview butler Richard

http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2008/11/welcome-to-the.html

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Gregm61 · Jun 20, 2009

WirenL said:
Quote:

I doubt that the E-P1 is suitable for shooting action; it is for still subjects."

Of all the things KR said in his article, this is probably going to turn out to be the most accurate.

Sergey_Green · Jun 20, 2009

WirenL said:
Funny how a small camera like the E-P1 probably won't be able to
shoot anything that may move, yet has a shutter speed of
what.........1/4000..?!? Try and get your little Canon SD880 to
shoot at that speed!

I think 1/4000 is mainly to be able to shoot at f/2.8 on a sunny day, and not necessarily fast moving objects. For compacts it makes very little difference.

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vlatko · Jun 20, 2009

Gregm61 said:
WirenL said:

Quote:

I doubt that the E-P1 is suitable for shooting action; it is for still subjects."

Click to expand...

Of all the things KR said in his article, this is probably going to
turn out to be the most accurate.

Well, you didn't need to be an Einstein to predict that.

Although it depends on what you mean by "shooting action".

Fast moving sports? Hardly. People moving about with you timing your shot to get the right moment? Yes. Taking photos from a moving bus, again waiting for the right moment? Yes. Taking photos from a moving boat with you catching, again, the right moment? Yes.

So it's not a sports camera. No big surprise there.

Plothole · Jun 20, 2009

Though admittedly it does have the same limitation as all cameras with focal plane shutters. That is where especially fast subjects can end up distorted because anything over the sync speed is accomplished by closing the second curtain before the first has had a chance to fully open (so you aren't actually exposing the sensor all at once).

The high shutter speed is indeed mainly there to give you more flexibility with exposure.

WirenL said:
Funny how a small camera like the E-P1 probably won't be able to
shoot anything that may move, yet has a shutter speed of
what.........1/4000..?!? Try and get your little Canon SD880 to
shoot at that speed!

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Brian Mosley · Jun 20, 2009

Louis is far more entertaining when he posts his controversial views...

I find it more difficult to take Ken seriously - sometimes he writes like Jeremy Clarkson, but with less subtlety, knowledge or talent as a writer.

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talephotos · Jun 20, 2009

Perhaps he should start a blog

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Brian Mosley · Jun 20, 2009

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Rriley · Jun 20, 2009

yeah but you read everything

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Brian Mosley · Jun 20, 2009

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John King · Jun 20, 2009

Gidday Sergey

Sergey_Green said:
WirenL said:

Funny how a small camera like the E-P1 probably won't be able to
shoot anything that may move, yet has a shutter speed of
what.........1/4000..?!? Try and get your little Canon SD880 to
shoot at that speed!

Click to expand...

I think 1/4000 is mainly to be able to shoot at f/2.8 on a sunny day,
and not necessarily fast moving objects. For compacts it makes very
little difference.

And f2.8 @ 1/4000th will not freeze fast moving action ... ;-)); and could not be used for that purpose ... ????? Lol!

Sorry, but can you run that past me again, please mate? The logic sort of escaped me ...

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Sergey_Green · Jun 20, 2009

John King said:
John King said:

I think 1/4000 is mainly to be able to shoot at f/2.8 on a sunny day,
and not necessarily fast moving objects. For compacts it makes very
little difference.

Click to expand...

And f2.8 @ 1/4000th will not freeze fast moving action ... ;-));
and could not be used for that purpose ... ????? Lol!

Sorry, but can you run that past me again, please mate? The logic
sort of escaped me ...

That's because of your inability to understand what is written. On a sunny day, if you want to isolate your subject by opening the aperture, you need a higher shutter speed to compensate for it. I said nothing about freezing the action.

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ChowMonkey · Jun 20, 2009

WirenL said:
Funny how a small camera like the E-P1 probably won't be able to
shoot anything that may move, yet has a shutter speed of
what.........1/4000..?!? Try and get your little Canon SD880 to
shoot at that speed!

I think Rockwell did't mean shutterspeeds. I think he ment slow AF. I haven't found much information on the AF however.

Rriley · Jun 20, 2009

Sergey_Green said:
WirenL said:

Funny how a small camera like the E-P1 probably won't be able to
shoot anything that may move, yet has a shutter speed of
what.........1/4000..?!? Try and get your little Canon SD880 to
shoot at that speed!

Click to expand...

I think 1/4000 is mainly to be able to shoot at f/2.8 on a sunny day,
and not necessarily fast moving objects. For compacts it makes very
little difference.

well, thats what you think
but clearly 1/4000th sec shutter offers more utility than
.......what you think

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Sergey_Green · Jun 20, 2009

Rriley said:
Rriley said:

I think 1/4000 is mainly to be able to shoot at f/2.8 on a sunny day,
and not necessarily fast moving objects. For compacts it makes very
little difference.

Click to expand...

well, thats what you think
but clearly 1/4000th sec shutter offers more utility than
.......what you think

Very well could be. But because the camera is able to shoot at 1/4000 does not immediately imply it is built for shooting sports. It needs to focus first, you know ..

.

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Rriley · Jun 20, 2009

Sergey_Green said:
Rriley said:

Sergey_Green said:

I think 1/4000 is mainly to be able to shoot at f/2.8 on a sunny day,
and not necessarily fast moving objects. For compacts it makes very
little difference.

Click to expand...

well, thats what you think
but clearly 1/4000th sec shutter offers more utility than
.......what you think

Click to expand...

Very well could be.

well, im saying....it is

Sergey_Green said:
But because the camera is able to shoot at 1/4000
does not immediately imply it is built for shooting sports. It needs
to focus first, you know .. .

as it happens, you can pre focus or MF
a lot of aircraft photography is at infinity
a lot of race car photography is prefocused

you dont need to be a genius to figure that out
but maybe it helps

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Sergey_Green · Jun 20, 2009

Rriley said:
Rriley said:

Very well could be.

Click to expand...

well, im saying....it is

But of course, why should I ever doubt it.

Rriley said:
Rriley said:

But because the camera is able to shoot at 1/4000
does not immediately imply it is built for shooting sports. It needs
to focus first, you know .. .

Click to expand...

as it happens, you can pre focus or MF
a lot of aircraft photography is at infinity
a lot of race car photography is prefocused

Where you need a slower panning shutter in the first place - we are still on the subject of shutter, correct? Focus fast, but shoot slow, and with turbo-prop aircraft especially. But then I have no doubt you know it also.

Rriley said:
you dont need to be a genius to figure that out
but maybe it helps

My thoughts exactly.

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