Shooting portraits with the E-P1

Brian Mosley

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Hello everyone,

I was asked to raise this in a seperate thread for discussion... some years ago, I gave up photography becuase my Nikon D1/D1x was just too big, heavy and bulky to be able to carry around everywhere and use around my active family lifestyle.

I came back to photography thanks to the tiny Panasonic FX01, and had a huge amount of fun learning and sharing with the very friendly Panasonic Talk forum here on dpreview.

Along the way, I was encouraged by the much loved, and sadly missed Bill Allgood to try natural portraits... and in getting started, I was given some valuable advice by David Charney a very experienced photographer I came across on the Leica forums.

First, the portrait I took folllowing David's advice :

Panasonic FX01
1/80s f/4.5 at 12.0mm iso80



And here's David's advice... which I think applies perfectly to the E-P1.

I am sorry to disagree with all of you who feel you need a viewfinder. Since my photography is people-oriented, I have a devised a style of shooting that is IMPROVED by letting go of using one.

If you are into engaging your subjects and reducing their universal sense of intimidation--the photographer with his camera taking the terrified subject into his crosshairs--think about this: The original spirit of Cartier-Bresson, and his followers, was to minimize the intrusion of the photographer within the environment. Thus, use of a small camera and an unobtrusive manner. These days, the definition of "small" has mutated. With ubiquitous miniaturization, an M7 looks like a brick (much as I do love it). It no longer fits the goal of blending in unobtrusively. A tiny digicam does.

Here's my patented method: I hold the camera about six inches BELOW my eyes and to the right, while bracing my right arm and elbow to the right side of my body. I flick a glance at the LCD to roughly frame the subject(s); I do not need better than that with 9x16 aspect. Then I engage my subjects OVER THE TOP of the camera, eyes linked to eyes, and I am talking all the while. They are relating to ME--on a human level--we are having a conversation--instead of them looking more and more like deer-in-the-headlights. If their eyes wander back to the cyclops lens staring at them, I can tell. I bring them back to me by saying: Look at me, look at me! I chatter. I re-engage them on a human level. Thus, I tend to get much more in the way of natural expressions.

I have been successfully using my method for nearly three years--even before I bought my D-Lux 2--using the Casio Exilim series. Even though I can't wait for the digital M (so I can play with my wonderful glass again), I predict I will stick with the D-Lux 2 and its successors for most of my people photography.

Put chewing gum over your viewfinders and give it a try.

...and further advice in my e-mail conversation with David :

My other best tip: Always announce that you NEVER take just one picture! Keep up the chatter as you explain and re-explain that you just have to take a few more. Always force them, with your chatter, to keep looking at you, and point to your own eyes and engage them with direct glances. Keep saying: Look at me! LOOK AT ME! (NOT the lens!)

Also, do not waste time trying to precisely frame the picture. That's what cropping is for. Get the framing just close enough. (Yes, I know it's a let down for those who want to emulate what Cartier-Bresson said he did).

People have NO patience for you to keep them waiting while you fiddle with a camera. Keep firing away rapidly as you can while you keep up the chatter.

Taking MANY shots is the best insurance that at least ONE may turn out OK. Sometime not even that small triumph will happen.

Good luck!

Apologies to the more experienced photographers here who will know this stuff already - but I wanted to share what I feel is very valuable advice.

Any comments?

Kind Regards

Brian
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Any comments?
What's the license fee for trying out this patented method? ;)

Nice post, think I'll try this with the p+s and a continuous firing script so that I don't even have to have my finger on the shutter.
 
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Thank you for the advise!

I am going to bookmark this thread, and maybe later just copy and paste it into a text file so it can be saved for me to refer offline.
 
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I prefer a viewfinder, but maybe I'll put my LCD to more use. I recently discovered that the LCD on my Sony v3 is essential for close-up work as the viewfinder is off at an angle.
 
Hi Brian.

Great advice and thanks for posting this.

I wish they used this method when they took my passport picture. As you are not allowed to smile anymore you look like you have a hangover and haven't slept for three days.

Love the picture, so natural.

Have a good day Brian.
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You start many many many threads,

But indeed, this photographic (not techno- but skill-photographic) subject deserved of getting dug out from a dying thread.
Hello everyone,

I was asked to raise this in a seperate thread for discussion...
Anyone thinking that Brian overdoes it?
I plead guilty of inciting him.

I'll read closely and comment later.
Now I gotta run.

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I am typically the one that is the photographer, not the photographee, but here are my impressions from yesterday at B&H....check my threads from yesterday.

When the Olympus rep "M" was shooting away at me, I could see his face!

Also, there was no big lens looking at me, especially no big dark polarising filter looking at me.

The reasons, for me, this is significant, and, (speculating) why it will be important to your shooting relationship with the subject, assuming a pose, or semi-repose, is the following:

1. My eyes were not drawn to the lens.

2. M and I were still in a conversation while he was shooting me, I could see his facial expressions, and, I now realise how significant that is in chaning the type of photo one may get from the subject.

3. For me, seeing a big lens, and camera where a face should be can be a bit disconcerting.

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Yesterday I was trying out the e-620 with this with a new coworker, while going on coffee. I was talking to him while I first did the focus in live view (just testing how much better this would be on the E_P1 since it would be far more responsive).

I was asking jokingly if he felt more intimidated if I put my camera to my eye and looked at him, vs taking a shot with the camera on my right hand side (in live view but didn't mention that, just showed the camera to my side).

Surprisingly enough he told me that he felt more intimidated if I had the camera just to my side, so I said ok, continued the chatter, and while we talked a bit more, I took 5 shots of him.

Then I told him that it's interesting he preferred the camera to my eye, but that I had already taken 5 shots of him..... his jaw sort of dropped.... ;-)

And that's why the e-330 was so well received by street photographers. No solutions looking for any problems.

The E-P1 will be even better (by far), just want to make sure that it responds in MF the way I think it will.

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so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Hi Ricardo, I admit to not focusing on the focus, in the brief few minutes I held it yesterday, it seemed to smooth-to the focal plane, rather than a quick snap....but I give my own observation low confidence relative to my impressions on the build, which I looked at carefully.
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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
 
You start many many many threads,

But indeed, this photographic (not techno- but skill-photographic)
subject deserved of getting dug out from a dying thread.
Anyone thinking that Brian overdoes it?
I plead guilty of inciting him.
Absolutely not...(IMHO) I read this tread for insight like this... and it is definitely preferable to the soothsayers preaching the impending doom of 4/3's and all associated products and owners of such equipment....(though I missed the thread and was directed here from Brian's Twitter post....)
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Thanks for the thoughts- what I am looking for is manual focus performance/usability/experience. If the AF is slow or not, that doesn't bother me if the manual focus experience/usability/performance is where I want it.
Hi Ricardo, I admit to not focusing on the focus, in the brief few
minutes I held it yesterday, it seemed to smooth-to the focal plane,
rather than a quick snap....but I give my own observation low
confidence relative to my impressions on the build, which I looked at
carefully.
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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Any comments?
Yes - David's advice predates the Face Recognition technology offered by the E-P1. With a little practice (and preferably a prime lens) it was already possible to frame a shot blindly, but now you can focus blindly, too. You don't have to watch the LCD ever - just chat and shoot!
 
I was thinking about that today, you're right - face detection could make a huge difference to this technique... you can shoot wide open and let the camera find the focus zone.

I'm beginning to get a sense of what this camera will be strong for, and I'm very excited indeed about it!

Cheers

Brian
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Thanks everyone, really appreciate your kind and constructive responses.

I think the E-P1 is going to be a camera I'll want to carry around my neck, and take intimate and casual portraits more than ever before... as well as 'observation' photography - I'm getting really excited about the potential for improving my skills.

In fact, this camera reminds me of my old friend Bill Algood... it's a camera I think he would have 'got' from day one.
http://doogla.smugmug.com/gallery/2268677_ENNar#P-1-25

I'll remember him every time I use it :)

Kind Regards

Brian
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