Release Date of d4000?

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Hi all,

Any ideas when Nikon will release their new entry-level DSLR (I'm calling it the D4000, but that's speculation.)? I'm itching to know more about it. I'm guessing it will have to be announced soon, since D40 stocks are running low.

Are there any guesses as to what sensor it'll have in it? If it's the current d5000 sensor, that'll make for some pretty decent entry-level camera.
 
What the hell do you think D5000 is????

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Rumour has it there'll be a cheaper model along soon that will replace the D60. Anyway, Nikon need to provide something in that price bracket because the D5000 is too expensive for the lowest entry-level consumer.
 
That's my line of thinking too. If Nikon don't do that, they'll lose their entry-level market share to Canon.

There's a strong rumour about an upcoming announcement of the D300s, which will basically be a D300 with HD video (see nikonrumours.com, they have pretty convincing arguments on this, including stuff taken from the nikon official website).

I wonder if a new entry-level camera will be announced with that...
 
--There's plenty out there about it, all (educated in some cases) speculation, but I have not seen any release dates.
 
yeah, it's the release date that i'm after.

i suspect it'll be soon, and i'll pick on up in christmas. i've got my lx3 to keep me going until then.

but i can't wait for the low-light capabilities becoming affordable. i hope it inherits the current d5000 sensor...
 
Noone knows. Those who do know can't say.

Anything else is just talk and speculation.
yeah, it's the release date that i'm after.

i suspect it'll be soon, and i'll pick on up in christmas. i've got
my lx3 to keep me going until then.

but i can't wait for the low-light capabilities becoming affordable.
i hope it inherits the current d5000 sensor...
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everyone knows people speculate.

but sometimes people have good grounds on which to speculate, and successfully do so...
 
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Any ideas when Nikon will release their new entry-level DSLR (I'm
calling it the D4000, but that's speculation.)? I'm itching to know
more about it. I'm guessing it will have to be announced soon, since
D40 stocks are running low.
I agree with what another poster said, (paraphrasing) "anyone who knows, can't tell". Not to be rude, but anyone who gives you a time frame is making a guess. "Educated" or otherwise, you're not going to get your question answered accurately. BTW stocks of D40 kits are still plentiful at my store (and we sell a lot of them, so stock is constantly being replenished).
Are there any guesses as to what sensor it'll have in it? If it's the
current d5000 sensor, that'll make for some pretty decent entry-level
camera.
...more guessing, BS-ing, speculating..., but I'm hoping not. This is my opinion, others are welcome to disagree.
A replacement for the d60...
From a retail perspective, I disagree. It's not a replacement for the D60, just another product to stuff the shelves with. I've seen no signs of the D60 being discontinued. (e.g. increase in commissions, lack of product, etc....).

I really hate to be negative, and I don't mean to p!ss you off, but I see plenty of good cameras out there right now, for very good prices. Not to mention that I think you still have some waiting to do if you want replacements.

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Well, Nikon have just announced press conferences on the 30 July and 4 August in Stockholm, so maybe we'll find out about new models soon enough.
I agree with what another poster said, (paraphrasing) "anyone who
knows, can't tell". Not to be rude, but anyone who gives you a time
frame is making a guess. "Educated" or otherwise, you're not going
to get your question answered accurately. BTW stocks of D40 kits
are still plentiful at my store (and we sell a lot of them, so stock
is constantly being replenished).
I don't want an accurate guess. People can guess quite accurately within the timeframe of a few months, though. That's good enough for me. I find it hard to believe that stocks are being replenished at your store.

I also don't know how much your finger is on the pulse when you say that you work on the store and the d40 is constantly being replenished—it's officially out of production. http://nikonrumors.com/2009/03/02/nikon-d40-officially-discontinued.aspx
...more guessing, BS-ing, speculating..., but I'm hoping not. This
is my opinion, others are welcome to disagree.
guessing and speculating, yes; BS-ing, not so sure. why would nikon invest engineering effort in developing a new but worse sensor? the d5000 and d90 have inherited the d300's sensor. it's the logical way to run your company—keep the new good technology at the high end and charge for it, sell the cheaper older stuff for volume. same thing happened with the d80 and d60 inheriting the d200's sensor. it's educated speculation based on the sensible way to run a company.
From a retail perspective, I disagree. It's not a replacement for
the D60, just another product to stuff the shelves with. I've seen
no signs of the D60 being discontinued. (e.g. increase in
commissions, lack of product, etc....).
There are signs that the d60 is being phased out. Lots of the stores in my town are sold out, and can't get more. Furthermore, see the below link.

http://nikonrumors.com/2009/05/21/official-nikon-store-in-sweden-sells-only-5-dslr-models.aspx
 
A couple of things you need to understand....
Well, Nikon have just announced press conferences on the 30 July and
4 August in Stockholm, so maybe we'll find out about new models soon
enough.
change this: "models"

to this: model(s). If Nikon comes out with more than 1 model, great, if not, you're still not wrong. :-)
I agree with what another poster said, (paraphrasing) "anyone who
knows, can't tell". Not to be rude, but anyone who gives you a time
frame is making a guess. "Educated" or otherwise, you're not going
to get your question answered accurately. BTW stocks of D40 kits
are still plentiful at my store (and we sell a lot of them, so stock
is constantly being replenished).
I don't want an accurate guess. People can guess quite accurately
within the timeframe of a few months, though. That's good enough for
me.
Ok fine, September + - 2 mths.
I find it hard to believe that stocks are being replenished at
your store.
Calll up a camera store (not a big box store), in your area, and ask them if they still have D40 kits. Odds are they'll 'em.
I also don't know how much your finger is on the pulse when you say
that you work on the store and the d40 is constantly being
replenished
We run ads nearly evey week in the sunday papers pushing the D40. We're well stocked on them (graduations and father's day sales necessitated stocking up on them, moving them increased our stores' level on that item, hence we now get more - you didn't really want to know how retail worked did you, sorry if I bored you). There's a few other things we're low on (e.g. D300, 18-200VR) , but D40 bodies aren't among them.
I didn't say anything about it being discontinued or out of production, just that we have many to replace the many we sell.
...more guessing, BS-ing, speculating..., but I'm hoping not. This
is my opinion, others are welcome to disagree.
guessing and speculating, yes; BS-ing, not so sure. why would nikon
invest engineering effort in developing a new but worse sensor?
I didn't say they would make a worse sensor either. Contrary to what most reviewers are saying, I'm not fully satisfied with the D5000's sensor. The middle ISO range (400-800) in medium-ish light produces too much noise. I'll get some sample pics up later, I'll be at my store tonight so I hopefully can do some side by sides to show what I mean. The D5000 reviewed by Popular Photography shows higher ISO noise at 400-800 than on the D90 or D300 - which is what I'm seeing.
the d5000 and d90 have inherited the d300's sensor.
D5000 Effective Pixels = 12.3 Million; Total Pixels = 12.9 Million
D90 Effective Pixels = 12.3 Million; Total Pixels = 12.9 Million

Similiar, possibly the same, can't be so sure about the AA filter and other processing done down the pipeline.

D300 Effective Pixels = 12.3 Million; Total Pixels = 13.1 Million
Similar but different from the others.
it's the logical way
to run your company—keep the new good technology at the high end and
charge for it, sell the cheaper older stuff for volume. same thing
happened with the d80 and d60 inheriting the d200's sensor. it's
educated speculation based on the sensible way to run a company.
The D200 has more Sensor photo detectors on it's sensor than the D60/80.
From a retail perspective, I disagree. It's not a replacement for
the D60, just another product to stuff the shelves with. I've seen
no signs of the D60 being discontinued. (e.g. increase in
commissions, lack of product, etc....).
There are signs that the d60 is being phased out. Lots of the stores
in my town are sold out, and can't get more. Furthermore, see the
below link.

http://nikonrumors.com/2009/05/21/official-nikon-store-in-sweden-sells-only-5-dslr-models.aspx
Not concerned if it is or not really, but the D60 is a lower end camera than the D5000 (excuse me D60 owners - no offense), It seems odd that Nikon would release 2 cameras below the D5000.

So the question I have to ask is:

In "September + - 2 Mths", if Nikon releases a lower end model, which will it replace? The D40, The D60, or both, or neither (meaning the new Nikon will simply fill a void left open by 2 'discontinued' cameras,?

I don't care either way, so long as I get one in my store and I get to play with it.

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I accept your points about the differences in some sensors.

But, in general terms, my points stand: people are able to speculate to some degree of accuracy when new models will be released and what they might roughly look like on the basis of existing technology in higher end cameras, release dates of current cameras, when current camera production has stopped. To label that speculation as BS is a bit dismissive.

I started this thread thinking that more experienced people might be able to fashion guesses as to Nikon's future moves in the basis of what we already know, because what we already know is quite a lot. I'm not such an old hand and guessing times and specifications, but I reckon there'll be a lot of people saying 'I told you so' at the next Nikon press release, and I was hoping to attract some of those people here.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a new entry level given that production of the old entry level has stopped and the prices have dropped, presumably to clear stock. I think it's reasonable to assume the d5000's sensor will be dropped into the new model, given that it's the cheapest new sensor they have.
 
That's the way it usually works. And as they haven't announced it yet, your guess is as good as anybody's. I'm betting on a D30.
 
Nowhearthis said:

"I didn't say they would make a worse sensor either. Contrary to what most reviewers are saying, I'm not fully satisfied with the D5000's sensor. The middle ISO range (400-800) in medium-ish light produces too much noise. I'll get some sample pics up later, I'll be at my store tonight so I hopefully can do some side by sides to show what I mean. The D5000 reviewed by Popular Photography shows higher ISO noise at 400-800 than on the D90 or D300 - which is what I'm seeing."

I'll be interested to hear results. As I worked over 30 years for electronic industry I know how silicon manufacturing process work. I expect you will find exactly what you described above.

Here is my point of view: after mfg process is finished, one of the EOL (end of line) operation is obviously rigorous testing. Yes, they do test EVERY chip. CCD/CMOC chips that are bad are being retested then rejected for scrap. All other, so called "good chips" are somewhere within "spec limits".

Now, based on the test results chips (sensors, after apllying color filters) are classified by groups. Let say you divide entire population of "good sensors" for 3 or 4 groups so you can charge different (premium) price for superior product, a bit less for excellent product and even less for very good (but not superior product).

If you do that, then you can alocate the best ... let say for D300, next group for D90 and rest of them for D5000 (this is in example).
It is obvious that ISO performance may be one of the test parameters... right?
So, I bet to hear that your "fast test" tonight will confirm your predictions.
 
If it is meant to be simpler brother of the D40/D60 then it could be D10, D20, or D30 as you said.

If it is higher more complex version, or substantially different then they will number it Dxxxx. My guess.
 
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Let wait till end of the month (+) 1
 

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