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If so, and if the E-P1 is not a pro camera Olympus will not sell any to you folks. If not, well then they will have a shot. Heck, I am a hack, I hope I like how this one feels in my hands because I hate the IQ of small sensor cams for many images, although I learn to live with what I have, and I will not carry a big DSLR around. So how many of you folks are pros, because I hear the argument that this is not a pro camera so how many pros might use it? How many pros use an LX3 for Professional Work? How many use a GX, a G10, Fuji F30 or 31? ah, come on, I bet there are at least two or three of you.
 
--I keep seeing this stated, and don't get it. The LCD focuses just as well placed inches away from your body as it does held at arm's lenght. Maybe some people need reading glasses.

I think people have been watching Aston Kutcher commercials, holding those little Nikons at arm's length, and assume that's how they have to be used.
 
How old are you?

For most people over 40 critical focusing on an LCD inches away from the face is near impossible. At least it is for me. I dare say a large percentage of the people interested in a camera like this (I include myself) are over 40 and only having the option of using an LCD at arms legth is not appealing. An EVF or optical finder with dioptric corrrection is a real plus when your eyes get older.

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Jonathan
 
A few inches out won't get it. I realize I'm now an outsider here, but spent several years in the oly forum and used a Pen F for years with film and anxiously awaited it's digital counterpart. I don't know if you can imagine my enthusiasm when I saw the headline and original picture, but quickly got far enough into it to see that my enthusiasm was short lived, I like some other posters here WILL NOT USE A CAMERA without an optical viewfinder so I can see what I am shooting in any light and hold the camera steady. I suppose I'll be called a troll so I better go now. Although I do still have my uzi and my wife still uses a D40, so can we stay around for a bit.
 
I agree... the focusing speed is the main concern here. I think Panny's implementation is much faster at this point, but hopefully that will change.
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Yes, I see it every day. Holding the camera with one hand. Waving it around in the air. Taking a shot when walking. (And they probably ask afterwards why their pictures aren't very good). Same way with the mobile phones.

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Raymond
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I guess that you are joking right? Proper viewfinders rule!

There is no way I would buy the E-P1. The E-620 body at the same price is streets ahead and it has a proper VF.
Plothole said:
Elbows bent. Upper arms to the side. LCD mere inches from the face.
This is a perfectly natural way to hold a camera like this.
Dave Bennett said:
It is just not natural to take pictures at arm's length...
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Dave
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UK Photo Safari Group Member
Vice-Chairman Cwmbran Photographic Society
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Joel Stern said:
If so, and if the E-P1 is not a pro camera Olympus will not sell any
to you folks. If not, well then they will have a shot. Heck, I am a
hack, I hope I like how this one feels in my hands because I hate the
IQ of small sensor cams for many images, although I learn to live
with what I have, and I will not carry a big DSLR around. So how many
of you folks are pros, because I hear the argument that this is not a
pro camera so how many pros might use it? How many pros use an LX3
for Professional Work? How many use a GX, a G10, Fuji F30 or 31? ah,
come on, I bet there are at least two or three of you.
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How many pros? Probably some
For professional work? Probably none (or close to it!)

I have a range of pro cameras, AND some I would consider semi-pro (Canon 5DII) AND some P&S.

The P&S are used when I don't want to carry the weight BUT simply don't give the same result and flexibility of result that the bigger ones do.

I'm looking to replace the P&S with either the E-P1 or GH1, as the P&S give basically adequate results in good light, tending to poor in bad light (even my Fuji f31FD, which is the best of the bunch for that). For 'happy snaps' and web the're fine, for big print they are not even close.

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Beauty is only a light switch away ...
http://www.clarkfamily.com.au
 
John A Clark said:
Joel Stern said:
If so, and if the E-P1 is not a pro camera Olympus will not sell any
to you folks. If not, well then they will have a shot. Heck, I am a
hack, I hope I like how this one feels in my hands because I hate the
IQ of small sensor cams for many images, although I learn to live
with what I have, and I will not carry a big DSLR around. So how many
of you folks are pros, because I hear the argument that this is not a
pro camera so how many pros might use it? How many pros use an LX3
for Professional Work? How many use a GX, a G10, Fuji F30 or 31? ah,
come on, I bet there are at least two or three of you.
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How many pros? Probably some
For professional work? Probably none (or close to it!)

I have a range of pro cameras, AND some I would consider semi-pro
(Canon 5DII) AND some P&S.

The P&S are used when I don't want to carry the weight BUT simply
don't give the same result and flexibility of result that the bigger
ones do.

I'm looking to replace the P&S with either the E-P1 or GH1, as the
P&S give basically adequate results in good light, tending to poor in
bad light (even my Fuji f31FD, which is the best of the bunch for
that). For 'happy snaps' and web the're fine, for big print they are
not even close.

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Beauty is only a light switch away ...
http://www.clarkfamily.com.au
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Something to replace the P&S cams that do not make me smile the way I used to when I shot with film. I have never used a DSLR but have seen the results of enough to know they have much better IQ, although I have seen some wonderful results with small sensor cams in the right hands, not my hands but in the hands of others. i am worried about two things with this camera, the LCD brightness and the size. I considered a pre-order with the prime lens but decided to wait until they are out so I could handle this camera with the prime and the zoom. It seems it is somewhere between and LX3 (nice size but it could be bigger and be ok) and the G10 which I find too big.
 
Its the first ILPS. And its not for everyone, but thats OK. It can't be.

I think its a very good start. But the real picture for m4/3 and Olympus
is not so clear until we see their EVF model and a lens roadmap, or lens
announcements. Not to mention how Panasonic reacts to this.

I know I don't care for the G1, although functionally it is very good. I am
hoping Oly can do better.

Jan
 
No I'm not. VFs do have certain advantages, but adapting to a camera without one isn't impossible or even difficult.

The point was though that, unless you are severely farsighted, you don't actually have to hold the camera out at arms length.
Dave Bennett said:
I guess that you are joking right? Proper viewfinders rule!
There is no way I would buy the E-P1. The E-620 body at the same
price is streets ahead and it has a proper VF.
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alt+230
 
Put a 200mm F2.8 lens on the EP-1 with no viewfinder and try to use the camera while looking at the LCD hand held, Which is what you would have to do with the EP-1.

People will think your using the camera as a divining rod after about 2 minutes.

I have no problem with an EVF if it has decent quality but NO view finder is silly for a photographer that wants to more then a Point and Shoot can do.

Jim
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Olympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it.
 
a quick evf will take care of that-- like what the new Pannys have. Sooner or later, all mirror box technology will be replaced, its just a matter of time. BTW I hold the LCD close to my face to meter with the live histogram-- I dont know why others have to hold it at elbow's length. You can see much more with the LED, because it is much larger.
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http://Alex_the_GREAT.photoshop.com
 
I'm not saying the camera is incapable of providing the proper information or even taking good shots. I am sure that it can and will. However I know that I could not take a decent shot of a bird in flight hand held with this camera given the size and balance with a moderately heavy lens.

I don't think you need an optical view finder. But you have to be able to support the camera well for any type of action or long shots. I still think it will sell ok but leaving off the viewfinder for serious hand held photography was a mistake.

Jim
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Olympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it.
 
maddogmd11 said:
Put a 200mm F2.8 lens on the EP-1 with no viewfinder and try to use
the camera while looking at the LCD hand held, Which is what you
would have to do with the EP-1.
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Please do that and post a photo of yourself so we can all get a good laugh. Then see if you can get photos of yourself with an M7 doing the same thing so we can continue to giggle. Laughter is good for the soul.

"I can't stand the idea of a camera that isn't perfectly suited to absolutely every situation! Why can't a Bessa T be used effectively with a telescope!?!?!"
 
maddogmd11 said:
However I know that I could not take a decent shot of a bird
in flight hand held with this camera given the size and balance with
a moderately heavy lens.
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HA!

Another one!

"Why can't I use the ultra-compact with a 6-pound lens for birding!?!?!"

Buy a different camera if that's your intended end use. Not all cameras are Swiss Army Knives and thankfully that continues to be so or we'd all have to own CaNikOny Wunderbricks.
 
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