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amalric said:
It will soon become impossible to discuss SLR problems on a SLR
forum, the problem being compounded not only by newbies, who are not
interested in SLR

Am.
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And why would the E-P1 buyer be a newbies and not an owner of a full frame DSLR wanting a small everyday camera ?? Is he still able to port a relevant question in this forum ?

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that most people who will buy the E-P1 coming from a compact will go first to the Olympus camera forum, those who are interested in the DSLR part of the camera will go to the Olympus DSLR.

Why not accept E-P1 post in these two forum ?
Why be so ellitist ?

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Elitist my foot.

This is a SLR forum. E-P1 not a SLR, so its owners come here as welcome guests, on tiptoe and asking permission, which they are not doing.

Therefore, so to speak, a childrens' table must be prepared for the little monsters. :))

Stands to reason.

Am.
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It is already the most popular without µ4/3. With it threads about 4/3 will leave the fist page after a quarter of an hour.

Which is simply unfair, even considering the laziness of some distinguished members, but also the title of the forum :)

Am.

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Yes, please segregate discussion about something interesting being done with 4/3 sensors from the rest of the 4/3 community! The "classic" 4/3 community should be about defensive overcompensation with a high potential for manic nonsensical ranting. Don't confuse the issue with an industry-leading product.
 
Breaking it into it's own forum not only doesn't make sense, it's silly.

Seems like you are annoyed with this new offering for whatever reason.

It's as functional as an SLR, it just won't have the mirror.

Having the forums together just makes more discussion and people buying into Olympus in general.
 
amalric said:
Elitist my foot.

This is a SLR forum. E-P1 not a SLR,
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Ok, so the fact that it ha no mirror so the focus is by contrast detection and no viewfinder makes it a totally different camera than say the E-620 ?

In case you miss it, here's what Simon Joinson said about the E-P1 : it is as fully fledged as any mid-range SLR
amalric said:
Therefore, so to speak, a childrens' table must be prepared for the
little monsters. :))
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I agree with you, the E-P1 is technically not a DSLR, maybe a DSL camera but having the exact same component inside the DSLR and E-P1, the same functionnality, the same menu and options as many other Olympus camera, I don't see why it would reguire another forum.

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stephaneonline said:
Why not accept E-P1 post in these two forum ?
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Because it is not a DSLR, but a compeltely different, new system.
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Why be so ellitist ?
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Nobody is elitist here, but some I have a feeling have some kind of minority complex instead and feel better if the MFT is in the DSLR forum. Of course not only newbies will buy the E-P1, and even if they would all be 100% newbies, so what? It has nothing to do with my reasons. There are a whole bunch of newbies buying DSLRs as well.
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Unless the forum meets dpreviews demands for needing to split it up due to traffic and even then the preference would be to split into Olympus SLR Forum and Olympus Lens Forum.

It is only because of where the English word, for changable lens camera that view directly through the lens, come from that there is any question. Much easier in Finnish - system cameras, which clearly includes both mFT and FT.

The Olympus PEN is very much part of the E-system and should be discussed along side E-620, E-30 and E-3II. They have practically the same menu structures, same sensor, same name, same battery and so on.

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Any advances in the 4/3's or mFT's camp is going to help both eventually so I think this forum should remain the same. I'm not interested in mFT's right not but I might be later if I see post here from members that have bought them. It's just another Oly. camera anyway guy's, E-3 - E-30 - E-620 - E-P1 don't you agree?
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Because dSLR have features and problems of their own which they don't share with P&S and mirrorless cameras.

BTW it's simply a matter of crowding: if we had separate forums for different models like C&N the problem would disappear.

We have not: so the likely fault line is system differences. µ4/3 and 4/3 are not the same system, although some might try to make them look so, since they cannot conceive but one thing at a time.

Am.

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regardless of the camera or lens used, four thirds is four thirds.

the only shame is that a place to talk about olympus film SLR's would seem to disappear. (albeit its only a few people who discuss this, out of the many who discuss four thirds)

you cant keep everyone happy, and if you dont like the G1, GH1 or EP-1 discussions then dont read them and dont reply to them. just like you would ignore news articles your not interested in.

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kevin wilkins said:
regardless of the camera or lens used, four thirds is four thirds.

the only shame is that a place to talk about olympus film SLR's would
seem to disappear. (albeit its only a few people who discuss this,
out of the many who discuss four thirds)
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ROTFL, the arrogance of newcomers, exactly the reason for splitting the forum.

Before it becomes an uncivil place, where fashion statements and football psychology, not photography, are the current coin.

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stimmer said:
Breaking it into it's own forum not only doesn't make sense, it's silly.
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Why would it be silly? It makes perfect sense, even for Olympus. I recomend you to vist Olympus WEBs anywhere on the globe and tell me where it is placed in the same group as the DSLRs. Tell them it is silly not to have the MFT under the DSLRs...
stimmer said:
Seems like you are annoyed with this new offering for whatever reason.
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No, I am annoyed because it is NOT a DSLR and that's the ONLY NON DSLR which is allowed to fill a DSLR forum, basically drawning every discussion about the theme of the forum, and the main reason to be here.
stimmer said:
It's as functional as an SLR,
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Well, there are quite a few compacts which fits that requirement as well if the exchangable lens is not a must.
stimmer said:
it just won't have the mirror.
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...and a lot of other things a DSLR has, but let's not repeat that once again.
stimmer said:
Having the forums together just makes more discussion and people
buying into Olympus in general.
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...and drive away others...

Also, you have no idea about " more people buying into Olympus in general". It's just a guess, and in any case, those would buy the camera anyway. I know of 5D owners who now look at Oly as a pocket(ish) camera alternative, but again, I don't think it has to do with this at all.
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amalric said:
Elitist my foot.

This is a SLR forum. E-P1 not a SLR, so its owners come here as
welcome guests, on tiptoe and asking permission, which they are not
doing.

Therefore, so to speak, a childrens' table must be prepared for the
little monsters. :))

Stands to reason.
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Yeah. Right. Sure. Your post is a glaring example of elitist!

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The menu system will be exactly the same as the E30 also.

There are more similarities then there are things different.

Most of us right now are fascinated with this new camera. Why take the discussion elsewhere when so many interesting things are being discussed?

I plan to use it as a backup to my E3 and I think a bunch of people will do that so why not keep the discussion going in one place?

I understand the deluge of people coming in here is frustrating to you but this is the first day. Just give it some time to mature and it will be normal.
 
As it is, it will be virtually impossible to have meaningful dialogues on anything without it being drowned by a large crowd discussing sizes and pockets.

OTOH, there is a lot in common between users of the Oly Pen and the Panny mFTs cameras. I suspect that lenses and adaptors will be used in an interchangeable way.
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I see why you dont discuss the Canon on the Olympus forum, but I'm still not convince why the E-P1 would not be discussed on the SLR talk.
  • It has the same sensor as the E-620 as far as the review can tell :
"The Micro Four Thirds system uses the same sensor size (18 x 13.5 mm) but allows slimmer cameras by removing the mirror box and optical viewfinder."

"Olympus hasn't just popped the sensor from the E-30 into a smaller body; they've been working hard under the hood too" Meaning it is a new sensor but a new generation of sensor that will probably find it's way in new DSLR.
  • The best argument so far is that it is not the same lens mount :
That is a "real" difference between the many Olympus camera, one that make a good point as to why the E-P1 should not be qualified as a DSLR
  • The only other BIG difference is that the E-P1 has no mirror, that's a biggie, but what if Olympus come out with a camera like the E-P1 with an electronic viewfinder and a new DSLR with the same liveview as the E-P1, what would be the big difference then ?
And by the way : "The E-P1 will be the first of a range of Micro Four Thirds cameras from Olympus, says Mr Watanabe. Electronic viewfinders and more lenses (which could include more pancake primes) will be developed, he said, as he spoke to us about the company's plans and ambitions for Micro Four Thirds." http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09061600watanabeinterview.asp

The E-P1 is a new bread of DSL camera, but it's not different enough as to not have the same concern as any other DSLR except when talking about viewfinder.

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kevin wilkins said:
the only shame is that a place to talk about olympus film SLR's would
seem to disappear. (albeit its only a few people who discuss this,
out of the many who discuss four thirds)
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Well, you may be more caring about the film SLRs, but I care more about the digital SLRs, and they all go down the same road with this crazy combo unless the forum is split. Merging threads is not possible here, like in some other forums, so all the new threads started will kill everything else.
kevin wilkins said:
you cant keep everyone happy, and if you dont like the G1, GH1 or
EP-1 discussions then dont read them and dont reply to them. just
like you would ignore news articles your not interested in.
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Yeah, and if I start to ignore MFT threads I can just as well go somewhere else where this problem has been realized and taken care of already in one way or the other. If I have to dig through several pages to find anything about DSLRs why waste my time here when I can find more easily somewhere else. Then what?

OK, you might say "Good bye, off you go OlyFlyer, who cares if you go? Who do you think you are?" But if everyone else do that and go, then what? Then you have a clean MFT thread, like I wish it was, and no DSLR at all, which I hope will not happen. I am not sure DPR want it that way, because I really think Olympus Co. will say something about their contributions as well...
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But you can quote all you like, does not help to convince me either.

MFT is a tottaly different system it uses the same sensor size. It's not a DSLR, even if the image sensor is exactly the same as the 620. The E-1 uses a 5MP Kodak sensor, the E-3 a 10MP pPanasonic. Totally different cameras from the same manufacturer, but both are DSLRs. The MFT is not, regardless which sensor it uses. That's all.
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