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Just wondering how many DP1 owners are going to concider ebaying their DP1 to fund the new Olympus EP-1........ I seem to be using my LX3 much more now relegating the sluggish "old" DP1 to the draw.

I would expect the EP-1 to out perform the LX3,with its larger sensor ,so,should be as good as DP1 or better ! ....... any of you lot concidering the move?
 
... I will wait for the reviews and sample photos,
and decide based on these.

And I won't sell my DP1 to buy it, but if the
image quality of the E-P1 is good, the DP1
will be relegated to very specific uses.

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I just bought a DP-1. Mostly out of curiosity and because it was getting quite cheap.

My main camera is a Nikon D300 but I love shooting with the DP-1. Having used manual focus rangefinder film cameras in the past, I don't find it that slow (my first digital cameras were much worse as far as I remember).

And the quality (both from the lens and the sensor) is such that I doubt the Olympus will be able to surpass the Sigma (if it matches it).

It all depends on what lenses will come with it. I'm so found of the DP-1 that I could see myself buying a DP-2 as well. So if the Olympus comes with a very fast 40-50mm equivalent, I could consider it instead of the DP-2. We'll see...
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First, take a look at the size:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9743940-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
2cvpickupboy said:
Just wondering how many DP1 owners are going to concider ebaying
their DP1 to fund the new Olympus EP-1........
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I can't imagine why anyone would get rid of a true compact with great quality and get a small DSLR replacement.

If I want to have to carry a case I'll carry my DSLR thanks. Now the question is, how many people want a small DSLR over what they have?
2cvpickupboy said:
I seem to be using my
LX3 much more now relegating the sluggish "old" DP1 to the draw.
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Then you should probably consider the DP-2, which is also compact though not as wide. Or the DP-1 update which will be wider and faster.
2cvpickupboy said:
I would expect the EP-1 to out perform the LX3,with its larger sensor
,so,should be as good as DP1 or better ! ....... any of you lot
concidering the move?
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I would expect the EP-1 to ourperform the LX3 too, given it's a DSLR - but I'm not sure it will handle noise as well as the DP-1, never mind the DP-2.

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Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
Then you should probably consider ... the DP-1 update which will be wider and
faster.
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First I've heard of this. Do you have a [reliable] source for this information?

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2cvpickupboy said:
Just wondering how many DP1 owners are going to concider ebaying
their DP1 to fund the new Olympus EP-1........
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Not me. The DP1 has imaging qualities which are unique; irreplaceable even.
2cvpickupboy said:
I seem to be using my
LX3 much more now relegating the sluggish "old" DP1 to the draw.
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I have LX3 and DP1. The latter trounces the former in terms of IQ, and also high-ISO performance. I've never been bothered by the DP1's 'sluggishness'.
2cvpickupboy said:
I would expect the EP-1 to out perform the LX3,with its larger sensor
,so,should be as good as DP1 or better !
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We'll see.

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sfa

A very limited photographer ...

 
Looks like a pretty good size to me. The DP2's a brick too compared to most other P&S but that isn't the point, is it?

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there's no mirror slap. Size comparisons with the prime lens put it ball park with the DP1/P2 and noise wise it will do much better than the Sigma at high ISO given the performance of other 4/3rds.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
2cvpickupboy said:
Just wondering how many DP1 owners are going to concider ebaying
their DP1 to fund the new Olympus EP-1........
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I can't imagine why anyone would get rid of a true compact with great
quality and get a small DSLR replacement.
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Because it will have great image quality, it will be truly compact also and ads the flexibility of other lenses.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
If I want to have to carry a case I'll carry my DSLR thanks. Now the
question is, how many people want a small DSLR over what they have?
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It's not bigger than the Sigma pretty much.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
Then you should probably consider the DP-2, which is also compact
though not as wide. Or the DP-1 update which will be wider and
faster.
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Or buy one camera body and lenses that are far faster, or can do longer when you need. Or far wider...
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
I would expect the EP-1 to out perform the LX3,with its larger sensor
,so,should be as good as DP1 or better ! ....... any of you lot
concidering the move?
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I would expect the EP-1 to ourperform the LX3 too, given it's a DSLR
  • but I'm not sure it will handle noise as well as the DP-1, never
mind the DP-2.
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It's not a DSLR. But the noise will outperform the Sigmas easily. A better question would be is how it compares at low iso in good daylight. I would imagine the Sigmas being foveon will still keep some charm for some shots while the E-P1 pulls ahead for others.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
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so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
if you compare with the E-P1 with the prime lens :-)
polarabbit said:
Looks like a pretty good size to me. The DP2's a brick too compared
to most other P&S but that isn't the point, is it?

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Canon Pro1, Epson RD1s, Fuji S3 Pro, Sigma DP1&2, Panasonic LX3,
Ricoh GRD & CX1
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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
has a better 28mm equivalent WA lens at f4. Not even close. There is no indication the E-P1 will be any different (or rather, the m43 lenses). It seems the E-P1 will be a more useful "all around" tool, but the DP1 is single-minded and very very good at what it does.

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Canon PowerShot TX1
Ricoh GR-D
Sony DSC-V3
 
Sorry, but how is a 17mm/f2.8 lens not better than the DP1's 28mm/f4 lens without our first seeing the former's quality?

and are you suggesting that the DP1's 28mm/f4 lens is better than any lens with the same specs that can be fitted on a DSLR?

pls enlighten me? i may have misunderstood your point.

i am very happy with my DP2 (but not the DP1's slow lens) but I would not say that it is better than that of any of my M mount lenses. i am also very excited to see what the EP-1 can offer, esp with regards to resolution/high ISO performance/speed of operation, against the DPx.

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I will probably end up buying the E-P1

The price is ok, interchangeable lenses also mean easy to clean sensor (my DP1 is in Japan for sensor cleaning at the moment at a cost of about $180 and 8 weeks without my camera)

Dust issues with the DPx series lead me towards using the DP1 only with the adapter and a filter on, that means that the E-P1 + pancake is actually going to be significantly smaller. On top of that, with an adapter, I can use my M lenses with it, the 50mm Nokton becomes a 100mm f1.5, killer portrait lens, or maybe I can see what happens with the 75mm lux, 150mm at f1.4!

For the wide end and stunning landscape I will still have my foveon based DP1, for everything else the E-P1 image quality looks good enough for me (it's actually better when the light goes down)

Cheers
2cvpickupboy said:
Just wondering how many DP1 owners are going to concider ebaying
their DP1 to fund the new Olympus EP-1........ I seem to be using my
LX3 much more now relegating the sluggish "old" DP1 to the draw.
I would expect the EP-1 to out perform the LX3,with its larger sensor
,so,should be as good as DP1 or better ! ....... any of you lot
concidering the move?
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Ian Gianni
 
I am trading without any doubts or regrets, and as soon as I can. EP-1 is a camera I wish Sigma had made. Two words: interchangeable lenses. I am sure you guys don't mind having a DP1 and a DP2, I find having to buy two sensors and image processing chips for the privilege of using two prime lenses quite stupid. I'd rather buy one body and two lenses.

Another key advantage is the availability of high ISO (and IS), EP-1 is actually looking to be useful indoors, DP1 is useless anywhere but outside.

I am not even mentioning the DP1 write times and slow AF, but the killer in the usability department for me is the SPP, which I truly hate for being slow, not even having a crop function (come'on Sigma, do you think that every images comes out of the camera looking like a complete masterpiece?), and a completely useless white balance adjustment "Color Wheel". Unfortunately, you need the SPP to get the true resolution and DR of the Foveon sensor. Yeah, and the two dial system looks to be much faster than Sigma's button-press system.

So, hopefully, no more Sigma for me, until the company hires people who can actually design cameras (not just good lenses) and write usable software. I am sure by that time (especially given Sigma's track record on delivering cameras on-time) I will have a nice collection of m43 primes, so switching back would be very hard. I hope Sigma makes good buck designing m43 lenses for my m43 camera in the meantime.

DP was and is a brave move by Sigma, but unfortunately, the DPx line is crippled by poor software, bad design choices, and quirks of the Foveon sensor. I will miss the occasional astonishing quality output of the Foveon, but not much more.
 
I hope and think that Oly will do well by this camera -- by that, I mean, sell lots. Let's hope so! Why? It's good for all of us, even if you're brand loyal to someone else. Helping forge a market can only mean better high IQ travel cameras for all of us.

I won't be shelving my DP-1. What it does well, it does really well -- there are those Foveon images that just astound. I wish, like many Oly users have lamented, that Oly had delivered a Foveon camera but they didn't. So I'm hoping that Sigma will continue to raise their benchmark.

I'm not biting on the E-P1 yet. I've stated elsewhere (on the Oly forum) that I felt the camera wasn't targeted for me -- obviously more towards the boutique crowd with its design and flavours, features that don't interest me like art filters, etc. But hopefully Oly will be successful with their launch to prompt a rumoured pro level travel camera (read: weather sealed, quality glass that meets the 4/3's telecentric standards, etc... you know, that mythical decisive moment camera. Well, at least one I can afford :). I'm hoping Sigma is making headway with advancing Foveon technology but we all know its limitations. Depending on the speed of development, an Oly may make its way into my street kit down the road.

In the meantime, there is the Pentax K-7 to look at for a compact DSLR system w/primes. It's shaping up to be a great year for tools which bodes well for all of us.
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S

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Surprisingly, Olympus does not sell an adaptor for the old Pen F lenses (yet). But you can buy one on eBay.

Too bad Pen F lenses are so collectible (read quite expensive), but there are a number of interesting portrait options, such as the 40mm 1.2 (80mm equivalent).

This is more interesting than putting bulky OM lenses on a micro-4/3 camera.
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