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1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)

2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode, no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)

5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?

6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
 
The two things I want the most not on your list are a higher fstop than 8.0 and to be able to adjust the contrast. The third one that is on your list is the up to 1600 iso. Also wouldn't mind an even longer exposure time than 30 seconds. 30 seconds really isn't long enough for night time sky shooting like meteors.

Lisa
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
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And do something about the random noise. Lower than noise!
Lisa Young said:
Lisa
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
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Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
 
What about the ability to turn off the black frame? I would love to have that.
Shay Stephens said:
Lisa Young said:
Lisa
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
--
My gallery: http://silvercharm.digitalphotochat.com/gallery
POTDs at DPC:
http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/profile.asp?pid=11986
Click to expand...
--
Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
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oo ooo oooooo
Yes, that is a must too!
Dwight1973 said:
Shay Stephens said:
Lisa Young said:
Lisa
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
--
My gallery: http://silvercharm.digitalphotochat.com/gallery
POTDs at DPC:
http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/profile.asp?pid=11986
Click to expand...
--
Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
Click to expand...
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Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
 
An interesting option. But would we really be able to do much better?

Or perhaps you're referring to what we'd do with the image during our own processing and independent of the layer of processing incurred by the internal Dark Frame Subtraction.
Shay Stephens said:
oo ooo oooooo
Yes, that is a must too!
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Ulysses
 
Histogram
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
Gordon
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No matter where you are...there you are.
 
While we're at it, how about a wireless remote with a selectable 2 second or no second delay?
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
 
If I am taking a series of photos that are time dependent I can take an occasional dark frame and process later. Having the option would be nice. As it is, I am waiting for the dark frame to be made while all the action is taking place. Sometimes I would trade some extra noise for being able to get a shot.

--
Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
 
Yes, this would be most welcome. And display it (optionally) on preview of the scene and the completed shot.
Gordon W said:
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
Gordon
--
No matter where you are...there you are.
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Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
 
I meant no second delay on the wireless remote as well. That way you can hit the button and it takes the picture "right now". A good use, for an example, is sitting the camera on a tripod facing a bird feeder, having no delay on a wireless remote would work good I would think for something like that.
Shay Stephens said:
I can see the the 2 second delay, but we already have the no second
delay with the existing shutter release button.

--
Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
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I can understand wanting to lose the waiting period for each shot.

But I will add this: When we were using tools like HotPixel and BlackFrame NR (each can be found at the Mediachance.com website for FREE), the shots were nice because they were an improvement over having NO black frame subtraction. However, even specialized tools like that didn't give us the quality result that the F707 does natively.

Again, I understand the appeal of being able to do it ourselves, and on a personal note, I'd rather they at least gave us the OPTION of turning it off. But I think many might find in actual practice that they like the cleaner result of native removal.

The only down-side to ANY of these techniques is that you're going to get some artifacts as a result of the subtraction process, and it's not foolproof in any event. If doing astrophotography, for example, it is easy to lose some stars from during the black frame and other noise reduction routines.

So it's a tough compromise when quality is #1. Noise reduction is always a gamble of sorts.
Shay Stephens said:
If I am taking a series of photos that are time dependent I can
take an occasional dark frame and process later. Having the option
would be nice. As it is, I am waiting for the dark frame to be
made while all the action is taking place. Sometimes I would trade
some extra noise for being able to get a shot.

--
Shay

My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
 
I'd like a lot of those as well. But I have to say that the most important piece of information in your post is "this $1,000 camera". For a grand, you're still getting more camera than any other option. (not to mention that it appears that most of us got the camera for a lot less than $1,000.) Personally, I might not buy a camera with all of these enhancements if it raises the price significantly.
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
 
You guys and gals crack me up! Why are you asking a company dedicated to conusmer electronics to provide you an advanced (pro style) digicam? A Canon 1D will meet the vast majority of your requests, just purchase a Canon 70-200L IS lens or Sigma 50-500 lens and don't take it off!

While I too long for low noise, and greater control over my digicam performance, I do not expect the consumer line up to satisfy me. I have started shopping for a D60). I will have to pay more and adapt to composing through a viewfinder, just like the good old days. Although consumer performance has made huge strides in the past 3-4 years in digicams, to bemoan Sony for not providing more is unreasonable. They have clearly become number one in digicam sales by concentrating on the LOW end market (Mavicas) and have lost money on the pro style digicams (D770). Why in the world would you expect them to change their marketing direction?

The features of dSLRs that make them so much more responsive over consumer digicams:

lower noise, faster autofocus, higher ISOs, more buffer memory, faster processors, more options of: aperture, shutter, wb, color space, sharpness, contrast, RAW, user firmware upgrades, etc. often more pixels (but not necessarily, ie Canon 1D). First off the larger pixels of the sensor is the primary feature determining noise and key to higher iso performance. However if the sensor is used to focus this is also helps faster, more reliable focusing, as the camera needs to be able to make out subtle differences in lower light to focus on them. The issue is that the cost of the sensor rises exponentially with size, and the photosites of the 1D are 12x the size of the s85 (which must be similar in size to the f707). The 1D can fire off 8 fps for 3 full sec. Lots of buffer costs lots of $ as does a faster processor. So the point here is film like performance and responsiveness costs a lot more. The key question is would that much better performance/responsiveness buy them enough profit to make it worth while?

One has to consider that selling 1Ds is a totally different market (far fewer folks, perhaps 10-100x less?) than F707. Could Sony make one and sell it for less than Canon or Nikon? Would you purchase the Sony equivalent to a D100 or D60 even if its costs more (and had far fewer lens choices)? You would be in the loyal minority! The conusmer market is built on larger numbers of less expensive items, where the pro market is built on few high priced units, different business model. Since most people who want all of this camera control also want camera flexibility they would need to offer a line up of tele-, WA and close up converters too. Do you really want a Sony version of an Oly E20? This is going to be a dying breed. As the dSLRs get cheaper and better, the prosumer digicams with fixed lenses will become even more scarce and their volume will decrease below their current level making them even less profitable, or more unprofitable. Even if that were to happen, they would sell fewer F707, lowering their profits there. Did you realize that one of the main reasons Canon will not make a follow up to the Pro90IS is that they did not sell enough of them to be profitable?

I think you are not grasping the bottom line of corportate motive, profit. Until Sony can be profitable in this market segment they will not play and it seems the cards are stacked against them. Now if Sony bought Oly..... Naw, thats an American way of doing business.
PS you forgot histograms and saturation controls from yiour list!
Mike K
 
hahahahahahahah.... this was a good post. Funny. :-)

So right on again, as usual, Mike K. It's easy to forget where our camera of choice fits into the "digital scheme of things", partly because we may get frustrated either with our own shots, or with any bonafide bug-a-boos or other reason.

There are so many options available to us, if we feel that they would make our pitchas better, that are just a step or two above the F707 in cost.

They may (or may not) lead to a whole lot less frustration than waiting on Sony to provide for us a virtually professional-level camera (although it has to be mentioned that there are a LOT of professionals who use a camera like the F707 or in its class).

Heheheheh... that was a good read. :-)
Mike K said:
You guys and gals crack me up! Why are you asking a company
dedicated to conusmer electronics to provide you an advanced (pro
style) digicam? A Canon 1D will meet the vast majority of your
requests, just purchase a Canon 70-200L IS lens or Sigma 50-500
lens and don't take it off!
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Ulysses
 
So much for the wish list! Your letter is on point... but I still can't help wishing Sony had incorporated some of the list of features that would NOT drive price up, such as control over flash, saturation, histograms, grids, so forth. That kind of circuitry can't cost more to make or develop than the series of choices Sony did actually make. Yes, better faster autofocus and larger sensor would cost more. But eliminating major goofs in the current camera should have been done in the first place and if Sony did a firmware upgrade now, I bet their market share and profitability would increase.
Mike K said:
You guys and gals crack me up! Why are you asking a company
dedicated to conusmer electronics to provide you an advanced (pro
style) digicam? A Canon 1D will meet the vast majority of your
requests, just purchase a Canon 70-200L IS lens or Sigma 50-500
lens and don't take it off!

While I too long for low noise, and greater control over my digicam
performance, I do not expect the consumer line up to satisfy me. I
have started shopping for a D60). I will have to pay more and
adapt to composing through a viewfinder, just like the good old
days. Although consumer performance has made huge strides in the
past 3-4 years in digicams, to bemoan Sony for not providing more
is unreasonable. They have clearly become number one in digicam
sales by concentrating on the LOW end market (Mavicas) and have
lost money on the pro style digicams (D770). Why in the world
would you expect them to change their marketing direction?

The features of dSLRs that make them so much more responsive over
consumer digicams:
lower noise, faster autofocus, higher ISOs, more buffer memory,
faster processors, more options of: aperture, shutter, wb, color
space, sharpness, contrast, RAW, user firmware upgrades, etc.
often more pixels (but not necessarily, ie Canon 1D). First off
the larger pixels of the sensor is the primary feature determining
noise and key to higher iso performance. However if the sensor is
used to focus this is also helps faster, more reliable focusing, as
the camera needs to be able to make out subtle differences in lower
light to focus on them. The issue is that the cost of the sensor
rises exponentially with size, and the photosites of the 1D are 12x
the size of the s85 (which must be similar in size to the f707).
The 1D can fire off 8 fps for 3 full sec. Lots of buffer costs
lots of $ as does a faster processor. So the point here is film
like performance and responsiveness costs a lot more. The key
question is would that much better performance/responsiveness buy
them enough profit to make it worth while?

One has to consider that selling 1Ds is a totally different market
(far fewer folks, perhaps 10-100x less?) than F707. Could Sony
make one and sell it for less than Canon or Nikon? Would you
purchase the Sony equivalent to a D100 or D60 even if its costs
more (and had far fewer lens choices)? You would be in the loyal
minority! The conusmer market is built on larger numbers of less
expensive items, where the pro market is built on few high priced
units, different business model. Since most people who want all of
this camera control also want camera flexibility they would need to
offer a line up of tele-, WA and close up converters too. Do you
really want a Sony version of an Oly E20? This is going to be a
dying breed. As the dSLRs get cheaper and better, the prosumer
digicams with fixed lenses will become even more scarce and their
volume will decrease below their current level making them even
less profitable, or more unprofitable. Even if that were to
happen, they would sell fewer F707, lowering their profits there.
Did you realize that one of the main reasons Canon will not make a
follow up to the Pro90IS is that they did not sell enough of them
to be profitable?

I think you are not grasping the bottom line of corportate motive,
profit. Until Sony can be profitable in this market segment they
will not play and it seems the cards are stacked against them.
Now if Sony bought Oly..... Naw, thats an American way of doing
business.
PS you forgot histograms and saturation controls from yiour list!
Mike K
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Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
 
The big problem with the "big boys" is the lack of a live pivoting LCD viewfinder. That, and their oversized, overweight, overpriced glass.

I fervently hope there is room out there for a top-quality SLR-like camera with interchangable lenses, a live EFV/LCD (but better resolution than the current EFV/LCDs), smaller faster cheaper lenses, and the AF and handling of the SLRs. That is why I am not buying into the Canon SLR system (that, and a lack of a small fortune to pay for those superpriced long lenses).

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Would love to have the zoom my FD-95 had. So double the optical zoom to 10x like my FD-95 had.

Lisa
erichocinc said:
1. Autofocus with selectable priorities (and fast, reliable results)
2. No more limiting exposure times unless you're in aperture mode,
no more over-riding color balance when using flash, etc
3. Better balanced color space
4. No more DLS (obscene in a 1,000 dollar camera)
5. A viewfinder which doesn't go black or shut down when in low
light levels. You let me compose the picture, then you worry about
exposing appropriately unless in manual mode, when I worry about
it) Maybe evern--gasp-- an optical viewfinder?
6. The ability to use the camera with strobe lighting easily and
efficiently. Probably a selection option.
7. Downloadable firmware updates
8. Projected grid on demand
9. Ability to work with sync cables and wireless remotes.
10. ISO to 1600
11. More white balance options
12. A less saturated color space, especially for reds
13. Firewire interface adn good mac/ pc compatability
14. Foveon chip
15. RAW capability

The limitations of this $1,000 camera are preventing me from using
it in many circumstances.

Sony, listen to your customers and stop blowing them off. If you
want to capture the "pro-am" market, get with it.... and you're
darn near out of time.

so what have I missed? Not that Sony listens, but hey, you never
know your luck.

Frankly, I'd buy a Fuji or a Canon except I really don't want to
get into all those lenses.

--
Eric
F707
http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
Click to expand...
--
My gallery: http://silvercharm.digitalphotochat.com/gallery
POTDs at DPC: http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/profile.asp?pid=11986
 
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