Tilting Screen

Will the 50D successor get tilting screen. Imagine not having to contort oneself to capture unique angles! Bring it on.

what kind of unique image angles are we talking about here? myspace pictures of you acting all tough? hah!

this is a very "meh" feature as far as i'm concerned. i know others demand it but i don't really get it. you can take photos from up in the air and down low and just crop to get your intended angle pretty easily with a wideangle lens. i do it all the time. i actually take a lot of pictures "blind" they turn out fine.

plus i'm for less on the back of the camera. i have a 20D and i'm iffy on upgrading because that giant LCD just gets smudged up by my nose anyway i couldn't imagine if it was a bulky swivel LCD...

well the tilt screen would be a bonus for the video feature that is certain to come, given the fact that this camera doesn't have to be smallest in class - it is a feature I'm certain they will consider highly. The mirror has to be up for video so you really could use this feature.

wellyspyder said:

Will the 50D successor get tilting screen. Imagine not having to
contort oneself to capture unique angles! Bring it on.

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--I dont think it will happen. But in addition to my 50D & XSi I have a Lumix G1 & its a real pleasure using that tilt/swivel screen. I'm not planning to upgrade to 60D but that could change my mind.
Brian Schneider

I suppose it depends on if the tilt screen is considered a pro feature or a consumer feature. Sometimes stuff that strikes some people as gimmicky actually ends up on consumer cameras first.

There are certainly times when such a feature would be useful, even in a pro context, however. Say you're shooting a rock performance - the ease of seeing what you're shooting while holding the camera at arm's length over your head would be very useful.

It'll probably be a feature that slowly creeps across the product line. I don't think many people think it's a killer feature, though. It has some use, but I don't think it's the sort of thing many people would upgrade for, which means they'll add it when it's convenient ... not rush stuff out with it.

HotspurJr said:

I suppose it depends on if the tilt screen is considered a pro
feature or a consumer feature. Sometimes stuff that strikes some
people as gimmicky actually ends up on consumer cameras first.

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that is a good point --- like the "dust removal" feature. didn't that appear in the XTi first, before trickling up?

HotspurJr said:

There are certainly times when such a feature would be useful, even
in a pro context, however. Say you're shooting a rock performance -
the ease of seeing what you're shooting while holding the camera at
arm's length over your head would be very useful.

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are you talking about shooting video? first of all, there is no way they are letting you shoot video OR anything with an SLR at a rock performance! video might be a different experience, i don't know, but as far as still photography goes i feel that the camera already has built-in features to eliminate that need. for instance, burst fire 3 jpgs/second. just hold the camera up at arm's length and snap away. if you can't get a good picture like that, then something must be wrong...

SNGX1327 said:

are you talking about shooting video? first of all, there is no way
they are letting you shoot video OR anything with an SLR at a rock
performance! video might be a different experience, i don't know, but
as far as still photography goes i feel that the camera already has
built-in features to eliminate that need. for instance, burst fire 3
jpgs/second. just hold the camera up at arm's length and snap away.
if you can't get a good picture like that, then something must be
wrong...

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No. I was talking about shooting stills.

Don't get me wrong, I think you CAN do it.

I just think it'd be easier to frame more precisely with a tilting screen.

But that's why I don't see this as a killer feature. It some situations, it makes framing up your shot a little bit easier. It doesn't take an impossible shot and make it possible, or a hard shot and make it easy.

But it's not without value.

--It could be of some use to others but I don't see a need for my
own purposes and it certainly isn't even on my list as a deal breaker.
I guess most dslrs will have it in the future as "GOD FORBID" Nikon

has it and Canon doesn't or vice-versa - that's just the way their little marketing
games are played and how we end up paying for a whole lot of useless junk

on our cameras that we'll usually never need or use (beyond having questionable 'bragging' rights while the feature is novel).

. Then again if that feature is important and useful to others then sincerely well and good, here's to you

--I've got one on my Olympus C8080. Sometimes it's handy for above my head or low eye point shots where you don't have to get in the mud, or lay down on a sidewalk. But I use my other cameras which don't have it too...so - and the trouble with any screen is in really bright sun. Maybe for macro shooters - but a lot of them like manual focus and don't know how well that would work at that...I know I've used mine for close ups and portraits it's nice (Kinda like a twin lens reflex) when I don't feel like making like a contortionist, but have missed focus with it doing that too on close ups... it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me either to not have.
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There was so many that had problems with control wires breaking on their moving screens, also the extra cost of the mechanical of a moving screen.

I can't really see Canon using this type of System again. It's the reason I still keep my old Canon G5 because it has the moving type screen.

Not a big one for me.... I'd hate to lose my 3.0 inch screen to something that flips out... Pretty much have to shrink the screen at least a bit like Nikon did... Bottom line is Both Sony and Nikon have an SLR with movable screens... My bet is Canon Skips it on the 60D, but the Next Rebel will have it...
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wellyspyder said:

Will the 50D successor get tilting screen. Imagine not having to
contort oneself to capture unique angles! Bring it on.

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When I'm on my stomach shooting something really low which is fairly often, it strains my neck to have to **** it way back in order to be able to see thru the viewfinder. To my knowledge, there is no camera in this series where you can shoot with the lcd like I sometimes did with my p&s.

My only reservation is the engineering seems it would be a little more complicated and malfunction more easily. That I would not like.

I almost prefer not having that feature if it weren't for what I mentioned above.

ShudderBug said:

wellyspyder said:

Will the 50D successor get tilting screen. Imagine not having to
contort oneself to capture unique angles! Bring it on.

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When I'm on my stomach shooting something really low which is fairly
often, it strains my neck to have to **** it way back in order to be
able to see thru the viewfinder. To my knowledge, there is no camera
in this series where you can shoot with the lcd like I sometimes did
with my p&s.

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Huh?

The 50D makes it very easy to shoot in "live view" mode. You just push the print/live view button on the back of the camera and voila!

The performance is a little difference, for a variety of reasons having to do with the shutter design and focusing system, but really ... it's pretty straightforward if that's what you want.

HotspurJr said:

ShudderBug said:

wellyspyder said:

Will the 50D successor get tilting screen. Imagine not having to
contort oneself to capture unique angles! Bring it on.

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When I'm on my stomach shooting something really low which is fairly
often, it strains my neck to have to **** it way back in order to be
able to see thru the viewfinder. To my knowledge, there is no camera
in this series where you can shoot with the lcd like I sometimes did
with my p&s.

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Huh?

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That's how it was. I still have the 20D and was using my macro lens. I can't think of any other way to get the angle I wanted, and it affected my shooting so bad, I was a little afraid I could have a stroke from straining that hard plus I felt funny, and it hurt the back of my neck so had to quit. Whine. Whine. No I don't serve crackers with it . I'm a senior and have high blood pressure among other things.

They were little, short crocusses, and I wanted to get perfectly horizonal shots of them from ground level or as their companions would see them. Or a bug. Or a bird. Whatever.

HotspurJr said:

The 50D makes it very easy to shoot in "live view" mode. You just
push the print/live view button on the back of the camera and voila!

The performance is a little difference, for a variety of reasons
having to do with the shutter design and focusing system, but really
... it's pretty straightforward if that's what you want.

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I didn't read too much about live preview because I'm not ready to upgrade and read too much as it is. A lot of it barely makes sense especially if I don't have the camera to fully understand what people are talking about. Even things with the 20D I never advanced to the point I understand it all and explanations anyway. If you can use the lcd instead w/live preview, that makes it somewhat different although an lcd or tilt screen I can't see well in the sun anyway. But I work around that.

And I will be down on the ground again and take the risk if there's a shot I want because that's the way I am.

If i'm not mistaken Canon is still using the tilt screen technology on there SX series point and shoot. I own the S5 IS and the only reason is for the above mentioned. Getting those hard to get shots level and in focus.

How ever to get this done on the DSLR will involve a little more expence and may be why it is only in the PS models.

If it was a feature provided I would be all over it like a duck on a june bug!!!!!

I love my live view with AF on my 50D if it only tilted. Dream.............

Cheers!!

I hate LCD VF, because of the time lag.

I have yet to use LiveView. I see no need for a tilt LCD. It would just make the camera bigger, heavier, cost more, and add one more thing to break.
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Aboy said:

If i'm not mistaken Canon is still using the tilt screen technology
on there SX series point and shoot. I own the S5 IS and the only
reason is for the above mentioned. Getting those hard to get shots
level and in focus.

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I had an S2 IS, and really liked it for some things, downside batteries to fool with and different flash card, tiny thing, easily lost if not careful and lower mp. Had two from an ordering mistake on their end, good price at the time, so just paid for the xtra one, gave them to daughter and gson. History now, broken. I never used it that low to the ground so didn't need the tilt, but while I was working with it, I did use it sitting in the street to get a couple really nice macros of some Chinese Lanterns. I do like to be able to shoot with the lcd rather than the vf sometimes. I miss that, doesn't solve the tilt problem. I guess that would be an option to try another Sx series and have a backup of sorts, but it's too much like going back and not forward for me now.

Aboy said:

How ever to get this done on the DSLR will involve a little more
expence and may be why it is only in the PS models.

If it was a feature provided I would be all over it like a duck on a
june bug!!!!!

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Hard choices. I suppose I would if and when I can afford it. This year is going to be bad, so I may not even be able to upgrade after all and spent my fun money on things for the garden and am looking at a huge expense to have an enormous tree taken down, never mind fixing something else on the house. I've had to learn to make do and put up with things most people wouldn't tolerate because I would have no nice camera and lenses at all if it were otherwise.

Aboy said:

I love my live view with AF on my 50D if it only tilted.
Dream.............

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I understand. I want one of the new ones to try a little video and am impressed with the quality of the GH1 so far so am waiting to see what the 60D has before I decide, no real hurry.

The silliness of it all wishing for what we cannot have. I have been hoping for this beautiful, unusual rose, now that wouldn't break the budget. But after dreaming over that for almost a year now, I find out it is not hardy in my zone assuming I can even get this place to propagate one for me. I can't tell you how disappointing that is, so I'll just have to get over it. End of story.

Aboy said:

Cheers!!

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Cheers to you, too!

A tilting screen isn’t a feature that I would use all that frequently but there have certainly been plenty of times when I could have REALLY used it. One example was trying to photograph animals in a tree cavity that was above my head. The cavity was very dark and it was quite difficult to achieve focus (AF didn’t work due to lack of light). Since I couldn’t see what I was doing it took a LOT of trial and error to get usable shots (around 200 shots to get one usable one). The way I eventually got the usable shots was to tie a flashlight to the camera so the AF would work and even then I had to take many shots before getting an acceptably focused shot. Live View and a tilting screen would have made this task much easier.

So thought it wouldn’t be for every day use for me I would sure like to have a tilting screen on the 50D replacement and I would be willing to pay extra for it.

Greg

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