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BRJR said:
remain any worst than it already is/has
been, especially considering all the exploited poor throughout this
world, including the world's current global recession, that is a
direct result of "capitalism"
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Capitalism? Or the greed and corruption of a vast number of individuals on Wallstreet, in some large corporations and Hoity-toity congressmen and women sitting in Washington (in the case of the U.S)? Capitalism isn't perfect, but the socialistic options are not inviting either.

I have a number of family members and friends living in socialist countries. I'm not convinced that they are better off than capitalistic countries. In fact, I observed some of them buying house after house, taking huge loans from their national banks...just like some capitalists...the rest is history.

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And, to you, there's a difference, :-)

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gail said:
BRJR said:
remain any worst than it already is/has
been, especially considering all the exploited poor throughout this
world, including the world's current global recession, that is a
direct result of "capitalism"
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Capitalism? Or the greed and corruption of a vast number of
individuals on Wallstreet, in some large corporations and Hoity-toity
congressmen and women sitting in Washington (in the case of the U.S)?
Capitalism isn't perfect, but the socialistic options are not
inviting either.

I have a number of family members and friends living in socialist
countries. I'm not convinced that they are better off than
capitalistic countries. In fact, I observed some of them buying house
after house, taking huge loans from their national banks...just like
some capitalists...the rest is history.

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http://www.digicamhelp.com/topics/camera-logs/
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gail said:
BRJR said:
remain any worst than it already is/has
been, especially considering all the exploited poor throughout this
world, including the world's current global recession, that is a
direct result of "capitalism"
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Capitalism? Or the greed and corruption of a vast number of
individuals on Wallstreet, in some large corporations and Hoity-toity
congressmen and women sitting in Washington (in the case of the U.S)?
Capitalism isn't perfect, but the socialistic options are not
inviting either.
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It's an outdated concept to speak of pure capitalism and pure socialism and pure communism. The world has moved forward from the 1900s when these ideas were practiced in pure form. The US hasn't had pure capitalism since Teddy Roosevelt and Howard Taft busted the trusts of the likes of Standard Oil and US Steel.

Then the problem was strong companies got so large they formed monopolies that controlled whole industries. Now the problem with uncontrolled capitalism is that financial institutions, who only push paper, have circumvented current laws and greedy executives were allowed to siphon off money.

Yes, we need more government regulations to bring things back into balance. Call it socialism, spread the wealth, taking away our liberty, unconstitutional, or any other inflammatory phrase you hear on right wing radio, if you want. But it's needed because unbridled capitalism will not work as long as you have human greed.

--mamallama
 
mamallama said:
gail said:
BRJR said:
remain any worst than it already is/has
been, especially considering all the exploited poor throughout this
world, including the world's current global recession, that is a
direct result of "capitalism"
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Capitalism? Or the greed and corruption of a vast number of
individuals on Wallstreet, in some large corporations and Hoity-toity
congressmen and women sitting in Washington (in the case of the U.S)?
Capitalism isn't perfect, but the socialistic options are not
inviting either.
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It's an outdated concept to speak of pure capitalism and pure
socialism and pure communism. The world has moved forward from the
1900s when these ideas were practiced in pure form. The US hasn't had
pure capitalism since Teddy Roosevelt and Howard Taft busted the
trusts of the likes of Standard Oil and US Steel.

Then the problem was strong companies got so large they formed
monopolies that controlled whole industries. Now the problem with
uncontrolled capitalism is that financial institutions, who only push
paper, have circumvented current laws and greedy executives were
allowed to siphon off money.

Yes, we need more government regulations to bring things back into
balance. Call it socialism, spread the wealth, taking away our
liberty, unconstitutional, or any other inflammatory phrase you hear
on right wing radio, if you want. But it's needed because unbridled
capitalism will not work as long as you have human greed.

--mamallama
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As a Sociolist, nothing would please me more than Obama proposing Socialist Solutions. But in fact Mr. Obama barely qualifies as a Liberal, let alone being a Sociolist.

As you point out above, it's kind of absurd to call Teddy Roosevelt a Socialist, or the anti-trust laws that were instituted by Republicans as early as the 1890's as examples of Socialism.

Only by a shocking ignorance of history to we call common sense regulatory mechanisms as some sort of "ism." Are zoning laws examples of Socialism? The government depriving a person of the right to use their property anyway they see fit? Well zoning laws have been around as long as government. Might as well call Ancient Rome a Sociolist country.

Is spending government money on National Improvements Sociolism? If so it started when they built the Erie canal in the 1830's, or did water control on the Mississipi in the 1870's, or when they paid the builders of the trans continental railroad 30K a mile besides giving away the land.

But if the one Senator in Congress proposed Sociolist solutions and they happened to be approved, that wouldn't be "imposing" a Socialist solution, it would be an example of supporting a Sociolist solution.

Dave
 
gail said:
BRJR said:
remain any worst than it already is/has
been, especially considering all the exploited poor throughout this
world, including the world's current global recession, that is a
direct result of "capitalism"
Click to expand...
Capitalism? Or the greed and corruption of a vast number of
individuals on Wallstreet, in some large corporations and Hoity-toity
congressmen and women sitting in Washington (in the case of the U.S)?
Capitalism isn't perfect, but the socialistic options are not
inviting either.
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No system is better is you don't get the right balance, too far right or too far left you will always be screwed. The comic part with the system we have: The Top End ideology has been to privatise profit but nationalise loss. When they make massive profit, it is capitalism but when they make a big loss it is socialism.
Their moto could have been: "Let them eat cakes"

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a minority used to think that the Earth is round
(at a time when the majority did not : )

it's ludicrous to argue from the "point of view of the majority"
speak your own mind about specific issues, not generalities!
 
BRJR said:
1. We should also know that the purpose of our fighter jets, is to
do what they are used to do ---- no matter how silly, in our minds.
Actually, I see it as no worse, than when "we tested harmless germ
indicator(s)" over the skies, of some cities, a while back, :-)
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Sounds very similar to chemtrails:


BRJR said:
2. And, regarding your statement: "... a psychological operation
(psi-op) testing response behavior." It's obvious, this was a major
success, intended or not; and so, I agree with this type of reasoning
such as yours.
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So, if you can follow and agree to this type of reasoning, what is your thoughts on the Blue Beam Project? Regardless if believe that it exist or not, but rather the method that is being talking about there.
BRJR said:
elboertie2 said:
For all we know, the jumbo jet was a holographic projection from the
fighter jet serving as a psychological operation (psi-op) testing
response behaviour.

Anything is possible with these Blue Beam Project folk.

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mamallama said:
Black Knight Jack said:
NASA once ordered 76 of them. Not surprised if a used one ended up
with the Air Force : )
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I would be surprised. Air Force One is operated by the military,
namely the White House Military Office. It is not part of the
administration or NASA. NASA is not part of the military.
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NASA IS part of the military, there's the secret defence department space shuttle for saving us from asteroids and aliens.

Bruce Willis died flying it.
mamallama said:
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John Mc Dermott said:
mamallama said:
Black Knight Jack said:
NASA once ordered 76 of them. Not surprised if a used one ended up
with the Air Force : )
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I would be surprised. Air Force One is operated by the military,
namely the White House Military Office. It is not part of the
administration or NASA. NASA is not part of the military.
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NASA IS part of the military, there's the secret defence department
space shuttle for saving us from asteroids and aliens.
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The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA, pronounced ˈnæsə ) is an agency of the United States government, responsible for the nation's public space program. NASA was established on July 29, 1958, by the National Aeronautics and Space Act.[3]

Not part of the DOD or military..

--mamallama
 
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bikinchris said:
Same thing with this plane flight. Did these New Yorkers really think
this very distincive plane was going to fly into a building? With a
military jet following it? Remind me of a line from Men in Black.

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Chris, Broussard, LA
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Right. The next time they see a low-flying airplane in a place where it's not supposed to be, the people in NYC should just forget all about the fact that two low-flying airliners actually flew into two buildings on 9/11.

Did you ever stop to think of the possibility military jet being there may have made the airliner seem like even more of a threat?

The fact that it "reminds you" of a movie shows that you have no empathy whatsoever for what the people of NYC went through on that day. To you, it was just something you watched on TV, just like a movie.
 
bikinchris said:
I would like to ask why there was no mass histeria when a plane went
down in the Hudson.
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First, it went down in a spot where not that many people were in direct view of it - to the west and north of Manhattan, whereas Air Farce One was circling in a wide open, easily visible area - out over New York harbor.

Second, it was clearly descending the entire time, whereas Air Farce One was circling around.

Third, plane going down scenario took much less time to play out. By the time anyone south of the GW bridge did see it, it would only have been roughly another 30 seconds or so before the plane was in the water.
 
marcuson said:
Know anything about Operation Gladio? This was a rogue intelligence
network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe
in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s.

Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations
terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.
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For example?
 
thatemailname said:
bikinchris said:
I would like to ask why there was no mass histeria when a plane went
down in the Hudson.
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First, it went down in a spot where not that many people were in
direct view of it - to the west and north of Manhattan, whereas Air
Farce One was circling in a wide open, easily visible area - out over
New York harbor.

Second, it was clearly descending the entire time, whereas Air Farce
One was circling around.

Third, plane going down scenario took much less time to play out. By
the time anyone south of the GW bridge did see it, it would only
have been roughly another 30 seconds or so before the plane was in
the water.
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Actually there were Some people who did momentarily have a 9/11 flashback. But there was no mass panic for the reasons you cite.
Whereas in this case, anything appeared to be possible.

Dave
 
thatemailname said:
marcuson said:
Know anything about Operation Gladio? This was a rogue intelligence
network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe
in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s.

Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations
terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.
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For example?
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See "Gladio operations in NATO countries":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#Gladio operations in NATO countries

Also from that same page, "CIA founder Allen Dulles was one of the key people in instituting Operation Gladio, and most of Gladio’s operations were financed by the CIA."

On 22 November, 1990, the European Parliament passed a resolution on Operation Gladio:

"Joint resolution replacing B3-2021, 2058, 2068, 2078 and 2087/90

A. having regard to the revelation by several European governments of the existence for 40 years of a clandestine parallel intelligence and armed operations organization in several Member States of the Community,

B. whereas for over 40 years this organization has escaped all democratic controls and has been run by the secret services of the states concerned in collaboration with NATO..."

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/European_Parliament_resolution_on_Gladio
 
igb said:
You're mentioning established historical facts, I mean theories . ;)
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But the point is, ever since Gladio was revealed in the 1990s (after about 10 years of thorough official investigation), there's absolutely nothing wrong about suspecting the government and right wing politics is involved in "terrorist" attacks which kill innocent people, is there?
 
marcuson said:
igb said:
You're mentioning established historical facts, I mean theories . ;)
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But the point is, ever since Gladio was revealed in the 1990s (after
about 10 years of thorough official investigation), there's
absolutely nothing wrong about suspecting the government and right
wing politics is involved in "terrorist" attacks which kill innocent
people, is there?
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What do you mean, suspecting ?

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Try and watch this video while you still can:

"Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State" - James Jesus Angleton, Head of CIA Counter Intelligence 1954-1974

'Originally aired on BBC2 in 1992, 'Operation Gladio' reveals 'Gladio', the secret state-sponsored terror network operating in Europe.

'This BBC series is about a far-right secret army, operated by the CIA and MI6 through NATO, which killed hundreds of innocent Europeans and attempted to blame the deaths on Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades and other left wing groups. Known as 'stay-behinds' these armies were given access to military equipment which was supposed to be used for sabotage after a Soviet invasion. Instead it was used in massacres across mainland Europe as part of a CIA Strategy of Tension. Gladio killing sprees in Belgium and Italy were carried out for the purpose of frightening the national political classes into adopting U.S. policies.'

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=16921
 
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