New concept in digicams?

Peter,

You are right, you do lose some light each way through a prism but it really is a miniscule amount. I would have to have an E20 and a traditional SLR side-by-side to be able to tell the difference in the viewfinder. You are also able to turn the E20 LCD on so you could, if that's your preference, abandon the viewfinder and shoot using the LCD almost exclusively (no E20 user in their right mind would though ;-) ). The only problem with that is, as with all LCD displays, you can't see them in bright light and also I would hate to have to hold any camera at arms length to be able to frame a shot. It can't be easy to hold the camera steady like that especially if you are using manual focus/aperture etc.

IMHO the images that the E20 captures are definitely none the worse off for the prism. LCD's are fine on point-and-shoot cameras where everything is automatic but not for someone who needs to be able to control their camera properly.

Regards

Andy.
I am not certain if it is an issue, but since nothing is free, I
assume with a prism you lose light to the viewfinder and also lose
light to the sensor. Light is precious, I don't want to waste any.
:-) Not only that but there may be additional degredation in the
optic path from light passing through the prism. I would take a
mirror any day.

The ideal solution IMO. Is putting in a Sensor that can handle live
preview. Then all you need is a mirror lockup switch. You can then
switch back and forth between live LCD and SLR viewfinder at will.
Full light to the sensor or full light to the viewfinder. Not half
to each.

Peter
 
The EFV gives you a TTL, dynamic view of the image, including white
balance, exposure, and DOF (which unlike DOF preview is not so dark
as to be unusable).
The EFV finder still only gives an approximation of what the image would look like (just like an optical viewfinder) for the things you mention.

There is far more processing done to the actual image taken than what is done to the image displayed on the EFV. The exposure will be more accurate when the photo is taken, than for the preview.

Also, the image captured by the sensor will be different due to a number of things, such as being taken at the actual aperature, not a simulated one. The speed of the shutter will have an effect on the image as well. If I have a slow shutter speed, the EVF doesn't show me what part of the image will be blurred any more than an optical one.

Also, don't forget that the EVF itself has it's own colour/contrast characteristics, which will affect how the image looks.

The resolution of the EVF also causes problems as it has to map about a 9x9 pixel area sensor area to a 1 pixel display area. This means that a lot of fine detail is lost, and one can't view it. I have viewed objects that had fine detail which did not show up on the EVF, but were in the image itself, and were viewable through an optical viewfinder. Try seeing the fine veins in a leaf for example.

A number of the EVF's will switch to B&W mode in lower light levels, which is definitely not showing the correct colour of the image.

EVF finders also don't show the effect of using flash (fill in or otherwise) on the image either, nor can they help with white balance in this case either.

Bottom line is that the EVF finder, like the optical finder, only provides an indication of what the actual image will be, and that is where the photographers skill comes in play into being able to visualize what the final image might look like.
With some more resolution, a "high gain" mode and some internal
magnifier for focusing aid, the EVF will be completely superior to
an optical viewfinder in just about every respect. Already it is
superior in some respects.
To "match" the resolution of an optical viewfinder, the EVF's resolution would have to match that of the sensor, and that is a long way off. However, in most cases, an EVF that has 4 or 5 times the current resolution would likely be acceptable in most cases.

EVF finders also have problems showing scenes where there is a lot of dynamic range, hilight areas become washed out and all shadow details are lost.

There is one aspect of an optical based viewfinder that an EVF will never be able to come close to matching and that is it's low power consumption. A lot of power is consumed in running the sensor, processing the data, and running the EVF finder. An optical viewfinder requires no power itself, and the sensor/processors/etc can be powered down to a standby status.
Plus the EFV can provide a much better heads-up platform for
displaying camera settings.
Optical viewfinders can and do display camera settings. Admittingly optical viewfinders tend to display this information outside of the actual image, where as EFV finders display it on top of the image. Personally, I prefer the optical approach, but that is personal thing I guess. Also, some optical viewfinders do present appropriate information over the image, such as grid lines or indication of which autofocus sensors are being used.

Maybe I have a good memory, but quite of the information shown by the EFV I don't need to be reminded of. I can remember what compression level I have choosen for example, what exposure mode I am in, etc.

Also, I can remember taking excellent photos with SLR cameras where the only information in the finder was a exposure needle that one would align between two marking to get the "correct" exposure.

In the discussion of EVF vs optical finders, I do find three things not being mentioned that much.

First of all, the EVF is somewhat redundent as all the cameras have LCD displays which can display the same image/information as the EVF finder. I actually find them better than the EVF finder, possibly because there is no heavy magnification is needed to view them. The EVF's main advantage seems to be in cases where light conditions make viewing the LCD image difficult. Maybe a better approach would be to work on shading the LCD display via popup/out shade. Or maybe even a clip on "viewfinder" cup for the LCD.

Having both types of viewfinders, optical and electronic (LCD), seems to offer the best of both approaches in all most all cases. I choose whichever one is best for the given situation.

Secondly, a lot of the so called advantages of the EVF finder, really don't matter that much in real life situations. First of all, most of the time, one can take a test shot and review it on the LCD in far better detail than a live preview of the image. Secondly, setting such as white balance and so forth are set ahead of taking the photo and by means that don't use the EVF finder itself.

With my optical viewfinder camera, to set a custom white balance, I simply fill the frame with a white image under the lighting conditions and then click ok to lock that white balance setting in the camera. Using an EVF finder, I guess one could adjust the white balance setting while observing the colour change of the image, but I don't think it would be as accurate.

Finally, pro cameras seem to always be optical and EVF finders tend to show up on the low end of the SLR type cameras. If EVF finders were better than optical ones, wouldn't Canon and Nikon be using them on their DSLR cameras? especially their top end ones where price is not an issue.
 
Peter,

You are right, you do lose some light each way through a prism but
it really is a miniscule amount. I would have to have an E20 and a
traditional SLR side-by-side to be able to tell the difference in
the viewfinder
How can it be miniscule? It can't create light.

If you have 50% going to the viewfinder that only leaves 50% for the CCD.

50% is not miniscule in my book. Someone may wish to enlighten me if I missing something about how the prism works, but I am operating under the assumption that it permantly splits light in a pre-defined ratio.

I remain with a strong preference for a mirror that leaves the optical path entirely when the shot is made.

Peter
 
I have never tried them; and I know this it is still an evolving technology ... BUT; I have an idea I wonder has anyone tried.

Some cameras today has NTSC video out so you can display viewfinder image on a full-size TV.

BUT: they also make some GLASSES that have LCD screens in them. Again, I don't know what the resolution of these are, (or what they may be in the future). BUT; that seems to be a semi-viable option to a "viewfinder".

It offers a full-size view ... similar to actually looking through the camera .. and indeed ... if you really HAVE to hold a camera up to your face ... you actually still could ... (except the glasses would simply be in place between the camera and your eyes --- but people with eyeglasses have to do that aleady).

But its biggest advantage is that you could hold the camera ANYWAY you wanted to ... close to your face as usual ... or at arms length ... or even UP HIGH if you are in a crowd/parade. With a long enough cable ... and remote control ... well ... remote operation. (heck maybe even a WIRELESS video transmitter could be used to eliminate the "cable" for remote use).

As for MIRRORS ... I HATE em .... always have ... always will. Sure they serve a purpose with extreme wide-angles or telephotos and when using "some" filters .. but I always prefered the 70's style RANGEFINDERS. They had instant shutter response, queter, less vibration, better low-light capabilites, and also in low-light ... much better hand-hold capability without camera-shake. I have hand-held exposures very often at 1/15 or even 1/8 ... whereas I would never want to go below 1/30 with a SLR/mirror. Also very important is the fact that you do see your "image" when using flash in dark. So you absolutely know your flash did-fire ... but also you can see your clients EYES and smiles. I essentially NEVER have lost a shot due to eyes closed or looking the other way. And I mentioned that SLR's were better with "some" filters, (polarizers, star, graduated ND, etc.) ... but it is also true that some filters are much easier to use on a rangefinder - (ND's, color shifting, IR, etc).

So I have SLR/mirror cameras ... but I gotta be honest ... I have MADE MORE 1000X MONEY and taken BETTER PHOTOS with the my Canon QL 1.7 than all my Nikons and RZ-67. (and the Canon I bough used for $25. w/flash lol).

So I WELCOME any suitable alternative substitute to those damn SLOW and NOISY mirrors.

NOTE: it is possible that my idea will not work "today" because I am not sure what the actual TV output is from todays digital cameras that offer it; and if necessary exposure information is available. I am only suggesting this as an idea for the future .... and such cameras can even be smaller cause they don't need a "viewfinder" at all ... (but I am not suggesting they eliminate the current LCD mounted on the back of todays cameras .. only the "viewfinder").
I have tried focusing the Dimage D7 and Sony 707. It is far from
ideal.

Also not too happy the DSLR lack split prism focus like on my
Grandma's AE-1. Focusing that camera is a dream.

EVF may be good enough "eventually", but that is a long way off IMO.

Peter
Mike Johnston speculates in his August 4 column "Photokina 2002 and
the Olydak" ( http://www.steves-digicams.com/smp/08042002.html )
about how a future SLR should function. Does it need a reflex
mirror? Is it necessary, when you can read off the ccd itself?
Sharp has announced a new product: Sharp VL-DD10, which is a big
LCD screen on which you can attach either a digical (4 MP) camera
or a videocamera

( http://www.digit.no/Nyheter/Kameraer/ny_sharp_vldd10-filer/ny_sharp_vldd10.htm ). (Or even a tv-tuner!).
It will be interesting to see how the Sharp-contraption performs in
test when and if it reaches so far. It is supposed to be released
in August this year.
But the Idea is interesting: Instead of thinking af a SLR with
interchangeable lenses you could have a body with swivel screen
(someting like a G2) to which you could attach all sorts of lenses:
A compact wide angle for the pocketable carry along camera, and big
zoms (with manual zoom rings!) for sports etc. It would have the
features of a SLR but could work without the need for a mecanical
mirror, which means smaller, lighther and less noicy than a SLR.
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The light loss on the E-XX cameras has been estimated to be about 20%. When the shutter is pressed, the viewfinder dims, probably due to a mechanism to prevent light loss.

Sean
Peter,

You are right, you do lose some light each way through a prism but
it really is a miniscule amount. I would have to have an E20 and a
traditional SLR side-by-side to be able to tell the difference in
the viewfinder
How can it be miniscule? It can't create light.

If you have 50% going to the viewfinder that only leaves 50% for
the CCD.

50% is not miniscule in my book. Someone may wish to enlighten me
if I missing something about how the prism works, but I am
operating under the assumption that it permantly splits light in a
pre-defined ratio.

I remain with a strong preference for a mirror that leaves the
optical path entirely when the shot is made.

Peter
 
I still don't understand why this is better than a mirror with 0% light loss for the sensor and a brighter viewfinder as well.

When you want LCD preview you can lock-up the mirror. Since you can't look in the viewfinder and at the LCD simulataneously, you don't need them both operational at the same time...
Sean
Peter,

You are right, you do lose some light each way through a prism but
it really is a miniscule amount. I would have to have an E20 and a
traditional SLR side-by-side to be able to tell the difference in
the viewfinder
How can it be miniscule? It can't create light.

If you have 50% going to the viewfinder that only leaves 50% for
the CCD.

50% is not miniscule in my book. Someone may wish to enlighten me
if I missing something about how the prism works, but I am
operating under the assumption that it permantly splits light in a
pre-defined ratio.

I remain with a strong preference for a mirror that leaves the
optical path entirely when the shot is made.

Peter
 
Leo,

I have no doubts that an EVF is usable. All I'm saying is that all
of the advantages are available on the larger lcd panel on the back
of most non SLR digicams, with the one downside being bright
daylight viewing. I'd personally prefer to use the big LCD and
having a real optical TTL viewfinder. I'm not trying to cause a
fight, just stating my opinion.

Now what would be really cool... an optical viewfinder that can
overlay other info on demand (histogram especially).
Optical viewfinders are nice unless you want to have a digicam with interchangeable lenses.
Then you are forced to 3 options:

An EVF and LCD combination. A cheap and simple solution. Which gives a good digital previsualization. Does consume power. Can allow overlay information, such as grid lines, histogram, exposure info, warning of highlight burn-out, spot metering location, etc.

A SLR type with no digital previsualization. Plus the mechanics involved with a flipping mirror. Noisey. Viewfinder blacks out. Vibration. Power consumng.

A split image prisim like the OLY E10/20 which has to share the incoming light to the CCD or CMOS and the eyepiece. Loss of light to the sensor, dimmer optical view.

The optical tunnel type viewfinder would not work unless we go the route of Leica rangefiner cameras.
 
IMHO the images that the E20 captures are definitely none the worse
off for the prism. LCD's are fine on point-and-shoot cameras where
everything is automatic but not for someone who needs to be able to
control their camera properly.
Please explain what I can't control properly by using an LCD?
 
Hi Peter,

You are right about the prism splitting the light 50/50 in a previous posting, I was concentrating on something else when I was writing that last post but if you take a look through the viewfinder of an E10/E20 you will see that the image is plenty bright enough to be more than usable. In fact if you have one eye in the viewfinder and keep the other eye open on the scene you can hardly see a difference. If the brightness of the viewfinder was dimmed by half it should be like putting on half a pair of sunglasses and would also be totally unusable at night. Maybe it's because the viewfinder is only a fraction of the size of the lens so there is easily enough light to split between it and the sensor.

I'm not saying that I dislike mirrors because I do like them, my next camera will probably be a more conventional digital SLR (Nikon D100 maybe) complete with mirror. As far as having a mirror though there are well known disadvantages to them, vibration, lag etc. The E20 has almost no shutter lag (I think it was measured at 0.02 seconds) and is almost silent - no noisy "slap" as the mirror is raised.

Anyway, I can see advantages and disadvantages in both systems and I look forward to the next generation of digicams, now digital is becoming so popular there is going to be more money available for development. Cameras at the high-end of the market will be redesigned with digital in mind instead of just putting a digital sensor in an existing (and unsuitable) body. I'm waiting with bated breath to see what Nikon, Canon, Olympus et al decide is best for digital.

All the best.

Andy.
I still don't understand why this is better than a mirror with 0%
light loss for the sensor and a brighter viewfinder as well.

When you want LCD preview you can lock-up the mirror. Since you
can't look in the viewfinder and at the LCD simulataneously, you
don't need them both operational at the same time...
 
Optical viewfinders are nice unless you want to have a digicam with
interchangeable lenses.
Why do the current range of digital SLR's with their interchangeable lenses all have optical viewfinders then? I may be wrong but I don't think there is a single digicam with an interchangeable lens that uses LCD instead of optical.
Then you are forced to 3 options:
An EVF and LCD combination. A cheap and simple solution. Which
gives a good digital previsualization.
But nowhere near as good as optical.
Does consume power.
Another negative point for EVF/LCD.
Can
allow overlay information, such as grid lines, histogram, exposure
info, warning of highlight burn-out, spot metering location, etc.
The current SLR's do already have gridlines, exposure info and spot metering location in the viewfinder. Anybody who knows how to use his camera properly can easily avoid highlight burn-out. Again, for a fully automatic point-and-shoot photographer who can't be bothered to learn his camera then this burn-out warning could be useful but hey, if it's automatic then they don't need a warning because the camera will adjust all by itself.
A SLR type with no digital previsualization.
Who needs Digital previsualisation, an optical viewfinder is much, much clearer than an EVF/LCD. Optical (TTL type) also shows 100% of the final image. Most EVF/LCD systems only show about 95% or so of the final image.
Plus the mechanics
involved with a flipping mirror. Noisey.
Vibration.
I agree with some of this, they are noisy, vibrate and can be prone to mechanical failure and have a small lag whilst the mirror is flipped, this can be fixed by using a prism such as in the E10/E20 (noise free, lag of less than 0.02 seconds and no large moving parts).
Viewfinder blacks out.
Power consumng.
Why is it a problem to have the viewfinder black-out whilst the image is recorded? What is power consuming about it?
A split image prisim like the OLY E10/20 which has to share the
incoming light to the CCD or CMOS and the eyepiece. Loss of light
to the sensor, dimmer optical view.
There is enough light for both the viewfinder to be almost as bright as a mirror type SLR and for the sensor to do it's job perfectly. Unless you feel that the E20 takes an inferior picture to, say, a point-and-shoot Canon G2?
The optical tunnel type viewfinder would not work unless we go the
route of Leica rangefiner cameras.
Perhaps the rangefinder type may be the way to do it, we will see in time.

Andy.
 
IMO LCD only cameras (in comparison to SLR's), are MUCH harder to focus manually, or see what is focused when autofocusing. Also using a polarizer is a lot more difficult from my limited experience.

Maybe he could have worded it differently. But for a serious camera, I agree the SLR viewfinder is a much better visual interface than any current EVF technology I have seen. Having a better interface makes control easier.

Certainly EVF doesn't prevent proper control, but does make it more difficult.

Peter
IMHO the images that the E20 captures are definitely none the worse
off for the prism. LCD's are fine on point-and-shoot cameras where
everything is automatic but not for someone who needs to be able to
control their camera properly.
Please explain what I can't control properly by using an LCD?
 
IMO LCD only cameras (in comparison to SLR's), are MUCH harder to
focus manually, or see what is focused when autofocusing. Also
using a polarizer is a lot more difficult from my limited
experience.

Maybe he could have worded it differently. But for a serious
camera, I agree the SLR viewfinder is a much better visual
interface than any current EVF technology I have seen. Having a
better interface makes control easier.

Certainly EVF doesn't prevent proper control, but does make it more
difficult.

Peter
Cameras using EVF's or LCD's could have good focusing aids when using manual focus. The Canon G1 does a digital zoom so you can see what you're focusing on nice and big. I just wish it worked while shooting in RAW mode. EVF's could put a crosshair or square over the area that the autofocus concentrates on.
Boy, I wonder how videographers got over the EVF situation all these years.
 
Certainly EVF doesn't prevent proper control, but does make it more
difficult.

Peter
Cameras using EVF's or LCD's could have good focusing aids when
using manual focus. The Canon G1 does a digital zoom so you can see
what you're focusing on nice and big. I just wish it worked while
shooting in RAW mode. EVF's could put a crosshair or square over
the area that the autofocus concentrates on.
Boy, I wonder how videographers got over the EVF situation all
these years.
I have used several digicams and tried manual focusing them. The Sony 707 was the best. It automatically zooms the center when you move the focus ring, but this still pales to compared to manually focusing an SLR.

The 707 has one of the better EVF's out there but I found it not nearly as visible as a good SLR viewinder on a sunny day. Your eyes get used the ambient light and the EVF seems very dim.

I have no doubt that EVF will take over from SLR designs eventually. But for now the SLR viewfinder is better. I still might get an EVF simply becasue DSLR's are still too expensive for a dabbler like me.

I wonder if DSLR will get cheap enough to get into my hands before they go extinct?
 
Hi Glenn,

It does have an effect on the sensor in my E-20, it shows up in the
image as a cloudy/ghostly area around the bottom centre of the
image, looks a bit like film that has been in a camera that is less
than lightproof. It mainly happens on long exposure night shots, I
don't think there's a problem on daytime shots since the light
coming through the main lens is enough to overpower it. I don't
know whether it affects the auto exposure sensors as I normally use
Manual for long exposure night shots. Obviously the beam
splitter/prism used inside the E-20 is able to reflect some
eyepiece light back into the sensor as well as out through the
lens. It is completely eliminated by closing the provided eyepiece
shutter.

Andy.
I have not encountered the problem, but I don't do much in the way of night photography.

Thinking about it, it does make sense that some of the light going throught the splitter/prism might actual end up on the sensor.

In anycase, it's not really a big deal as there is a shutter to close of the eyepiece. Oly could I guess put in a basic automatic shutter that would close just before exposure and open after. Basicly it would serve the same function as the mirror in closing off the viewfinder during exposure.
 
One advantage of the prism approach in an interchangable lens SLR
would be that it would reduce/elimate the issue of dust getting on
the sensor. The prism, unlike the sensor, would not have a static
charge that tends to attract dust. What dust does settle on the
prism, would be far enough away from the sensor so as not to appear
on the image, sort of like dust on the rear element of the lens.
Also the prism would be easier to clean and stand up to cleaning
much more than the CCD.
I am not certain if it is an issue, but since nothing is free, I
assume with a prism you lose light to the viewfinder and also lose
light to the sensor. Light is precious, I don't want to waste any.
:-) Not only that but there may be additional degredation in the
optic path from light passing through the prism. I would take a
mirror any day.

The ideal solution IMO. Is putting in a Sensor that can handle live
preview. Then all you need is a mirror lockup switch. You can then
switch back and forth between live LCD and SLR viewfinder at will.
Full light to the sensor or full light to the viewfinder. Not half
to each.
I don't think it's a matter of the sensor not being able to handle live preview, but the fact that the mirror blocks the light off to the sensor. To do a live preview with a mirror based SLR, when switching to LCD view, the mirror would have to be flipped up (and maybe the shutter held open as well).

As to the light loss... it's not 1/2, it's more like 20%. Also, ISO on digital cameras can be electronically raised, not a possibility with film. If the ISO had to be "boosted" 20% to handle the light loss, that is not hard to do.

Also, as the ISO rating gets faster it becomes less of an issue. The Nikon D100 for example starts at 200 ISO, so a loss of 20% would mean one would have an ISO of 160 at the low end.
 
As for MIRRORS ... I HATE em .... always have ... always will.
Sure they serve a purpose with extreme wide-angles or telephotos
and when using "some" filters .. but I always prefered the 70's
style RANGEFINDERS. They had instant shutter response, queter,
less vibration, better low-light capabilites, and also in low-light
... much better hand-hold capability without camera-shake. I have
hand-held exposures very often at 1/15 or even 1/8 ... whereas I
would never want to go below 1/30 with a SLR/mirror. Also very
important is the fact that you do see your "image" when using flash
in dark. So you absolutely know your flash did-fire ... but also
you can see your clients EYES and smiles. I essentially NEVER have
lost a shot due to eyes closed or looking the other way. And I
mentioned that SLR's were better with "some" filters, (polarizers,
star, graduated ND, etc.) ... but it is also true that some filters
are much easier to use on a rangefinder - (ND's, color shifting,
IR, etc).
A digital rangefinder camera... an interesting idea...

I assume you are referring to an high end type non=SLR camera, one that automatically correct for parallex, etc. Maybe even interchangable lenses like the Leica series.
That I might be interested in.

Unfortunately, all non-SLR digital cameras that I have seen are designed with a point and shoot mentality, rather than the quality/design that went into rangefinder cameras.

I was looking at getting one of the non-SLR cameras, but wanted a larger sensor in it. No one seems to make such a camera. I think one could get quite amazing photos from a range finder camera based on the APS sized sensor used in the D-100/D-60, but would any manufacture make such a camera?
 
I have used several digicams and tried manual focusing them. The
Sony 707 was the best. It automatically zooms the center when you
move the focus ring, but this still pales to compared to manually
focusing an SLR.
With better zooming software and more resolution this could be fixed.
The 707 has one of the better EVF's out there but I found it not
nearly as visible as a good SLR viewinder on a sunny day. Your eyes
get used the ambient light and the EVF seems very dim.
That's what the brightness preference is for.

You can boost brightness for the back panel LCD and the EFV to levels that work great even on bright sunny days.
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SeanU,

With EVF I do not need glasses. I am farsighted and I have to use glasses for the camera setting and adjustment then I have to remove them to see the subject ant its like glasses ON glasses Off……

With EVF all I need to adjust the EVF eyes correction to be adjusted and NO GLASSES. I do not plan to fight. I plan to buy my next camera and then next and … with EVF and now you know why. :-)
Leo
I have no doubts that an EVF is usable. All I'm saying is that all
of the advantages are available on the larger lcd panel on the back
of most non SLR digicams, with the one downside being bright
daylight viewing. I'd personally prefer to use the big LCD and
having a real optical TTL viewfinder. I'm not trying to cause a
fight, just stating my opinion.

Now what would be really cool... an optical viewfinder that can
overlay other info on demand (histogram especially).
The EFV gives you a TTL, dynamic view of the image, including white
balance, exposure, and DOF (which unlike DOF preview is not so dark
as to be unusable).

With some more resolution, a "high gain" mode and some internal
magnifier for focusing aid, the EVF will be completely superior to
an optical viewfinder in just about every respect. Already it is
superior in some respects.

Plus the EFV can provide a much better heads-up platform for
displaying camera settings.

If you want to deprive yourself of those advances today and in the
future, and if in 5 years they still make digital cameras with
optical viewfinders, good luck to you.

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Hi Leo,

I am glad that the EVF works for you however I would not rule out TTL type viewfinders when you are narrowing down your choices of camera. All the Olympus cameras I have owned with TTL viewfinders (C1400L, C2500L, E20) have eyepiece dioptre adjustment. Take a look when you are out shopping for your next camera, you may be surprised!

All the best.

Andy.
SeanU,
With EVF I do not need glasses. I am farsighted and I have to use
glasses for the camera setting and adjustment then I have to remove
them to see the subject ant its like glasses ON glasses Off……
With EVF all I need to adjust the EVF eyes correction to be
adjusted and NO GLASSES. I do not plan to fight. I plan to buy my
next camera and then next and … with EVF and now you know why. :-)
Leo
 
Nearsighted hear. E-10 had a Diopter, Nikon has a diopter and even sells more extreme corrective diopters for their SLR's.
I have no doubts that an EVF is usable. All I'm saying is that all
of the advantages are available on the larger lcd panel on the back
of most non SLR digicams, with the one downside being bright
daylight viewing. I'd personally prefer to use the big LCD and
having a real optical TTL viewfinder. I'm not trying to cause a
fight, just stating my opinion.

Now what would be really cool... an optical viewfinder that can
overlay other info on demand (histogram especially).
The EFV gives you a TTL, dynamic view of the image, including white
balance, exposure, and DOF (which unlike DOF preview is not so dark
as to be unusable).

With some more resolution, a "high gain" mode and some internal
magnifier for focusing aid, the EVF will be completely superior to
an optical viewfinder in just about every respect. Already it is
superior in some respects.

Plus the EFV can provide a much better heads-up platform for
displaying camera settings.

If you want to deprive yourself of those advances today and in the
future, and if in 5 years they still make digital cameras with
optical viewfinders, good luck to you.

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