Focus Blending Software?

Thanks. Most of that is obvious (once you told us about it), but the Super-resolution feature I'm gonna have to thunk on a bit...

Actually, I need to sleep on it (later, not now) and in the morning it may be clearer?

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
 
1. I think your post with links to the originals was deleted. If
so, you should repost them.
Yes, they seem to be victims of a reaction to your "marketing" SAR? At least that's what Joe said (I was OOT and didn't participate for several days).

I was kinda holding off reposting them...I kinda wanted to do a new sequence with smaller focus shifts. I can send you the links to the old 7-sequence if you really need it.
2. It is possible to just align images with CombineZP.
Yes. I thought Max Lyons dba Tawbaware had an alignment solution?
Click the
second to the last item on the tool bar to bring up the menu bar.
Then

Stack> Size and Alignment> Auto (Shift+Scale)

View> Go to Frame

File> Save Frame/Picture as.
Did it. I wish there was a way to save ALL the aligned results quickly?
3. If you use Tufuse with these parameters

-a 8 --compression NONE --wMode1 1.0 -v -o

on these aligned images, you will be pleasantly surprised.
I'm using Tufuse Pro, which doesn't seem to have these parameters? I assume they are run-time options when using Tufuse from a DOS command line? Like:

C: tufuse.exe -a 8 --compression NONE --wMode1 1.0 -v -o

I revised my initial 4-up comparison. Since Tufuse Pro is not free, I changed that too:



Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
 
You still have a trojan virus associated with your web site.
Gerry
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There is a free software called REGISTAX .
Registax is more for a video type of work. You have hundreds of smaller pictures and stack them.There is a size limitation. Limitation is from memory required for larger images.

I emailed about this sometime in last winter to Registax programmer. He responded quickly and seemed to be a nice guy, but he did not change the limit. He suggested cropping.
 
1. I think your post with links to the originals was deleted. If
so, you should repost them.
Yes, they seem to be victims of a reaction to your "marketing" SAR?
At least that's what Joe said (I was OOT and didn't participate for
several days).
That is unwarranted speculation. I have never gotten a warning from any moderator at dpreview.
I was kinda holding off reposting them...I kinda wanted to do a new
sequence with smaller focus shifts. I can send you the links to the
old 7-sequence if you really need it.
I have all those images. The links are for the benefit of others.

Do you have a focus rail?
2. It is possible to just align images with CombineZP.
Yes. I thought Max Lyons dba Tawbaware had an alignment solution?
Click the
second to the last item on the tool bar to bring up the menu bar.
Then

Stack> Size and Alignment> Auto (Shift+Scale)

View> Go to Frame

File> Save Frame/Picture as.
Did it. I wish there was a way to save ALL the aligned results quickly?
I wouldn't know; I didn't read the instructions but I know how to experiment efficiently. Interestingly, so do cats in general and my cat in particular which is why I like cats. Cats tend to find and use buttons both figurative and literal.

There was a news story in which a family suddenly noticed their water bill sky rocket. Then they discovered that their cat was repeatedly flushing the toilet just to watch the whirlpool. They filmed it. My cat also likes to watch the whirlpool but he hasn't discovered the lever, yet.
3. If you use Tufuse with these parameters

-a 8 --compression NONE --wMode1 1.0 -v -o

on these aligned images, you will be pleasantly surprised.
I'm using Tufuse Pro, which doesn't seem to have these parameters? I
assume they are run-time options when using Tufuse from a DOS command
line? Like:

C: tufuse.exe -a 8 --compression NONE --wMode1 1.0 -v -o
Yes, v. 1.34 which is free. There is different setting recommended for focus stacking, but it doesn't work right. Incidentally, I also gave that information in a deleted post.
I revised my initial 4-up comparison. Since Tufuse Pro is not free, I
changed that too:

But, comparisons at that size are still pointless.
Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
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(Author of SAR Image Processor and anomic sociopath)
Tell me your thoughts on Plato's allegory of the cave.
 
1. I think your post with links to the originals was deleted. If
so, you should repost them.
Yes, they seem to be victims of a reaction to your "marketing" SAR?
At least that's what Joe said (I was OOT and didn't participate for
several days).
That is unwarranted speculation. I have never gotten a warning from
any moderator at dpreview.
I can't explain why several posts were deleted. I also was not notified or banned.
Do you have a focus rail?
I have several rails from the old days.
Interestingly, so do cats in general and my
cat in particular which is why I like cats. Cats tend to find and
use buttons both figurative and literal.

There was a news story in which a family suddenly noticed their water
bill sky rocket. Then they discovered that their cat was repeatedly
flushing the toilet just to watch the whirlpool. They filmed it. My
cat also likes to watch the whirlpool but he hasn't discovered the
lever, yet.
We have a stray cat. She learned how to urinate in a toilet. Doesn't flush...yet. :-(
I revised my initial 4-up comparison. Since Tufuse Pro is not free, I
changed that too:

http://www.here-ugo.com/FocusBlendingDemo2.jpg
But, comparisons at that size are still pointless.
I should have commented on what the Tufuse Pro result looked like...forgot!

It looked a lot like what SAR did, especially the hard edge around the top blue capacitor. It also looks a bit light.

Tufuse Pro has a LOT of controls that would take weeks to try. Some of them might help with the little "problems"?

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
 
1. I think your post with links to the originals was deleted. If
so, you should repost them.
Yes, they seem to be victims of a reaction to your "marketing" SAR?
At least that's what Joe said (I was OOT and didn't participate for
several days).
That is unwarranted speculation. I have never gotten a warning from
any moderator at dpreview.
I can't explain why several posts were deleted. I also was not
notified or banned.
dpReview never notifies people that posts are deleted, let alone why posts are deleted. They've explained their stand on this before: they don't want trolls to get a really good image of where the "hard boundaries" are.

Generally, the only people who get many posts deleted (this isn't the first thread where Dr. Ruzinsky has been "pruned") without getting banned are people who usually share a decent amount of knowledge and only infrequently wander into sales pitches.

Trolls posting enough flame bait to get their posts deleted frequently get banned. Sales people without information contributions to balance the sales pitches get banned.

--
Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
1. I think your post with links to the originals was deleted. If
so, you should repost them.
Yes, they seem to be victims of a reaction to your "marketing" SAR?
At least that's what Joe said (I was OOT and didn't participate for
several days).
That is unwarranted speculation. I have never gotten a warning from
any moderator at dpreview.
I can't explain why several posts were deleted. I also was not
notified or banned.
Do you have a focus rail?
I have several rails from the old days.
Interestingly, so do cats in general and my
cat in particular which is why I like cats. Cats tend to find and
use buttons both figurative and literal.

There was a news story in which a family suddenly noticed their water
bill sky rocket. Then they discovered that their cat was repeatedly
flushing the toilet just to watch the whirlpool. They filmed it. My
cat also likes to watch the whirlpool but he hasn't discovered the
lever, yet.
We have a stray cat. She learned how to urinate in a toilet. Doesn't
flush...yet. :-(
I revised my initial 4-up comparison. Since Tufuse Pro is not free, I
changed that too:

http://www.here-ugo.com/FocusBlendingDemo2.jpg
But, comparisons at that size are still pointless.
I should have commented on what the Tufuse Pro result looked
like...forgot!
It looked a lot like what SAR did, especially the hard edge around
the top blue capacitor. It also looks a bit light.

Tufuse Pro has a LOT of controls that would take weeks to try. Some
of them might help with the little "problems"?

--
Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
I would like to see results obtained by moving a camera on a focus rail with a fixed camera focus setting. This would result in constant magnification but perspective changes.
--
(Author of SAR Image Processor and anomic sociopath)
Tell me your thoughts on Plato's allegory of the cave.
 
1. I think your post with links to the originals was deleted. If
so, you should repost them.
Yes, they seem to be victims of a reaction to your "marketing" SAR?
At least that's what Joe said (I was OOT and didn't participate for
several days).
That is unwarranted speculation. I have never gotten a warning from
any moderator at dpreview.
I can't explain why several posts were deleted. I also was not
notified or banned.
dpReview never notifies people that posts are deleted, let alone why
posts are deleted. They've explained their stand on this before: they
don't want trolls to get a really good image of where the "hard
boundaries" are.
But, that doesn't explain policy regarding spammers who are not trolls.
Generally, the only people who get many posts deleted (this isn't the
first thread where Dr. Ruzinsky has been "pruned")
Too bad the deletion counts aren't given in the new profiles so we don't have to deal with innuendo.
without getting
banned are people who usually share a decent amount of knowledge and
only infrequently wander into sales pitches.
I like to believe that I am valued for my superior analysis. For example, I can distinguish between spammers and trolls in the present situation.
Trolls posting enough flame bait to get their posts deleted
frequently get banned. Sales people without information contributions
to balance the sales pitches get banned.
Again, a discussion of trolls is irrelevant to the present situation.
--
Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving
grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
--
(Author of SAR Image Processor and anomic sociopath)
Tell me your thoughts on Plato's allegory of the cave.
 
Found tufuse and tufusepro by Max Lyons. Tried it. It didn't
compensate for FL changes of macro lens as it's focused! It also does
exposure blending, but I haven't tried that yet. tufusepro is free.
Why wouldn't you simply move the camera with respect to the subject instead of focusing the lens?
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Hi Victor,

Unfortunately I don't have the originals any more. These were done back in 2005 and they were just grab shots to test the concept. Other than the ones you see which I left on my site server they are long gone.

Best regards,

Lin
 
I would like to see results obtained by moving a camera on a focus
rail with a fixed camera focus setting. This would result in
constant magnification but perspective changes.
Me too. I was using my Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 lens for the current set of images. Nikon doesn't show a diagram that indicates exactly how this lens "focuses", but my older 55mm Auto Micro-Nikkor lenses moved the entire group of elements as a unit. I'm guessing that the 60mm does too? I'm led to believe that some macro lenses vary the FL to compensate for mag ratio changes?I focussed from about 9.5" to 10". This should result in small changes to the magnification with my lens and I intend to try the focusing rail technique...ADN.

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
 
Found tufuse and tufusepro by Max Lyons. Tried it. It didn't
compensate for FL changes of macro lens as it's focused! It also does
exposure blending, but I haven't tried that yet. tufusepro is free.
Why wouldn't you simply move the camera with respect to the subject
instead of focusing the lens?
Lazy? Moving camera in increments of about 0.05" is difficult? I'm sure I can rig-up (ie, build) something, but I have many other things to do.

In the past when I have tried this with one of my focusing rails, I had a LOT of movement when trying to move the camera...may not be a problem with software to align everything?

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
 
Found tufuse and tufusepro by Max Lyons. Tried it. It didn't
compensate for FL changes of macro lens as it's focused! It also does
exposure blending, but I haven't tried that yet. tufusepro is free.
Why wouldn't you simply move the camera with respect to the subject
instead of focusing the lens?
That is a most interesting question.

The answer is that usually focusing the lens yields a more pleasing picture. It comes down to two things: stacking performance and perspective. Moving the entire camera as a system causes an enormous perspective shift that decreases stacking performance (increases artifacts like "echos") and flattens perspective: often to a totally flat "orthographic" perspective.

Chuxter shot his image with a 60mm macro (the older edition) of a chunk of circuit board about 50mm (2in) wide (judging by the size of the components) and 50mm deep (judging by the angle he has the board at).

There is a sense of perspective in the image, you can see straight rows of components converging towards center as you move farther back. I rather like that.

That would put the front of the image at about 2x magnification. At 2x, the 60mm f2.8 puts the first subject plane 256.5mm from the sensor plane. Focusing back 50mm farther puts the last subject plane 306.5mm from the sensor. The magnification last plane is 2.95x, hence the pleasant perspective.

Now, here's where it gets interesting: the 60mm f2.8 is a floating element design. The entrance pupil (the "center of perspective") is partially anchored to the rear sections of the lens. As it shifts from 2x to 2.95x, the entrance pupil moves 4.7mm away from the subject. Yes, that's "apocryphal perspective", but it's very slight. There will be magnification correction, but because the entrance pupil moves so little, it will track perspective well.

The end result is going to be very similar to what you would see with bellows draw focusing, locking a "no floating element" macro lens into place, and slowly moving the camera nearer to the lens as you focus back. The perspective comes from the entrance pupil location, about 179mm from the front of that circuit board, or 3.6x the board width away. That's a pretty natural perspective, like looking at a car from 20 feet away.

Moving the camera would result in different perspective possibilities. The magnification would be constant, obviously. Good stacking software gives you the option of compensating for magnification changes. If you stacked with constant magnification, you would have orthographic perspective, a rather flat looking image. Great for technical analysis of the board, horrible as "art".

Allowing the focus stacking software to automatically adjust magnification could result in darn near anything, from nearly orthographic, to near entrance pupil perspective (more like 204 than 199mm, because the entrance pupil shifts all the way from 179mm to 229mm) depending on the algorithm that computes magnification. Yes, your perspective, and therefore your overall image appearance and "feel" has become random: out of your control.

The other big problem with moving the camera is echos. The entrance pupil is shifting. The ratios of sizes of out of focus image components is different in each layer of the stack, even if the magnification adjustment corrects the in-focus components. So, when different slightly OOF planes are chosen based on which one is closest to in-focus, you get "echos", as experienced stackers usually call them, or bands or halos (as has been used in this thread). With over 10x the entrance pupil movement of the "focus by lens" approach, the end result is 10x the echos.

This is exactly the same thing that happens when you keep camera and lens stationary and move the subject on a focusing stage.

So, overall, you have four choices:

1) focus with the lens's control on a floating element lens. Perspective is good for art, there are minimal echos, and magnification must be corrected.

2) focus by moving camera or subject. Maximum echos, and your choice of flat "orthographic" technical perspective or a random perspective.

3) focus with bellows draw (this obviously requires a bellows, ad a good bellows lens). Perspective is good for art, there are no echos, and magnification must be corrected.

4) buy or improvise a telecentric lens. There are no echos, at all. The perspective is flat orthographic and cannot be changed.

wizfaq

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Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
By the way, my first exposure to such stacking involved changing the camera/subject distance, but there was another component as well. The lighting was planar lighting along the plane of focus. This was before digital photography, so the image was formed by a long exposure while the subject was moving with respect to the camera, being lit by a continually moving slice of light.

There's probably a term for this technique, but I have no idea what it might be.
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By the way, my first exposure to such stacking involved changing the
camera/subject distance, but there was another component as well. The
lighting was planar lighting along the plane of focus. This was
before digital photography, so the image was formed by a long
exposure while the subject was moving with respect to the camera,
being lit by a continually moving slice of light.

There's probably a term for this technique, but I have no idea what
it might be.
You were pretty close. The most common terms are "planar illumination" and "single-plane illumination". I think the latter is popular because it gives us the acronym SPIM, "single-plane illumination microscopy".

I've heard "light sheet microscopy" and "slit-scan microscopy" before. Microscopists and technical macrophotographers always refer to lighting as "illumination", and they have fancy names for just about everything. Like everything medical, half of these names are after people. This took me a while to get used to. While a photographer would typically refer to using several lights with colored gels as "using several lights with colored gels", the microscopist refers to it as "Rhineberg illumination". My scope can do de Sénarmont illumination, Rhineberg illumination, and it has an Abbe condenser in the illumination system.

The generic name for the whole family of techniques that attempts to extract information on one plane of focus of a 3 dimensional subject is "optical sectioning". It's possible to do this with the "depth map" built up by many of the focus stacking programs, but the opaque nature of the subjects means all you can generate is a hull ( a surface map).

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Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
I agree. The scary part is that I understood over half of it! The other half I'll understand at 3:00 AM.

I still plan to do a new series with the camera on a slide, even if I retain all that knowledge I'm gonna have in the morning.

What a great thread, even if I did start it... ;-)

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
'I'm from Texas. We have meat in our vegetables.' Trenton Doyle Hancock
 
Hi, someone else recently recommended Combine ZP for focus stacking. When I searched for a download site every link I found was trying to download other software.
Do you have a safe link where I can just download that programme without anything else?
 
Hi, someone else recently recommended Combine ZP for focus stacking. When I searched for a download site every link I found was trying to download other software.
Do you have a safe link where I can just download that programme without anything else?
You are aware that this thread is nearly 9 years old?
 

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