P880 or Oly C-8080 buy?

Which of these cameras is the better choice for landscape photographs (not only in sunshine!) ? I am very confused.

Speedfreak09 said:

Which of these cameras is the better choice for landscape photographs
(not only in sunshine!) ? I am very confused.

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I bought a C8080 with an open mind...as did Bassy....personally, I still prefer the P880...smaller, lighter, wider lens....and I prefer the output too
The C8080 is however very very good....but I prefer the P880

I own two P880s. They now both have on/off power switch problems, one after 350 shutter releases, and the second after 500 shutter releases. Deoxit is only a temporary fix. As much as I like the P880, I wouldn't buy one at this point. I was going to buy a P20, but not after my 2nd P880 started to act up. Just beware of what you may be getting into.

I agree with Kodakuser. I recently sold my c8080 and picked up a P880. I have no regrets. For landscapes you can't beat the 24mm wide angle and the photo quality is excellent.
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photosmakemyday said:

I own two P880s. They now both have on/off power switch problems,

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I have obviously been lucky here, I have used my P880s (I have 2) since 2005, and had no probs...I can imagine that the switch might have be the weak link, but personally I have never had this issue

I did have one that stopped autofocusing, and that was repaired under an extended warranty policy

Heres a red hot tip...if you are in the UK, buy a P880 from London Camera Exchange (several branches and they do mail order)....check the stock of second hand gear online, they get P880s in from time to ti,me...they give 12 months warranty on all used items

Must be a real pain to have one go faulty...but as far as I know myself, Ananda Sim, Bassy ,Mike from Greece, Phil Loughren and many others have never had a prob

Thanks for the tip although I live in the US. I have one thing to check out, and that is the battery. I put the battery from my original faulty P880 into the 2nd P880 and only after then did it start flickering on and off (it only did this a couple times, but that's how the 1st started acting). I am going to check the voltage, but I really need to check it under load which I can't do. Great camera, nice size; wish I could solve this problem.

Owl here, I think the logical solution is to leave the switch always ON and let the auto shutoff turn it off as per Sir Spiridikus' recommendation. My 880 turns on just short of the ON detent but sometimes I have to set it at Favorites first to get a green light and then back toward On till green light. I Still have not got Deoxit yet!. I have 3 batteries but even set at the longest time on LCD I rarely need to change on a shoot unless I am using lots of flash.
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hello speedy as it happens i did try to do a side by side comparison last week
just remember i do know how to use the kodak quite well

and the olympus is a new learning curve,,,right away you can see the p880 gives a wider view,,and i prefer the manual zoom on the kodak
in each case the wider picture is the kodak,,,are you realy new here

or have you been looking only for a while and have now decided to join us,,,,,i hope this helps you a little bit,,,,.. looks like i may have cropped

a bit of one of the olympus pictures,,,i was not going to bother to show these but your question came up so here they are ,,bassy

no 1 3 5 7 9 are kodak,,,,,i think both cameras are excellent
i was hoping the 8080 was better than the kodak,,,but its a close call
and when you feel the quality of the olympus in your hands its so well built,,,

Owl, I usually leave the camera on and when it goes off, I can just press the shutter button to turn it on again, but sometimes the shutter button won't turn it back on and I'll have to cycle the power switch. I have two batteries; one measures a hair over 4 volts without a load, and the other measures about 3.8 volts without a load, so both are in spec; both are Kodak KLIC-5001's, one is 1700mah, the other is 1800mah. I'm going to see if the 4-volt battery works better with the faulty camera. I wonder if 3rd party batteries work better? (With my faulty camera, I'll have to turn it to 'favorites' first before turning it to 'on' to turn it on.)

Speedfreak09 said:

Which of these cameras is the better choice for landscape photographs
(not only in sunshine!) ? I am very confused.

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I have the P880 only.

The P880 gives more golden colour esp in JPEG. It has a 24mm lens which is clearly wider than a 28mm when you shoot buildings as opposed to distant horizons. It has a certain delicate feel to the pics. The actual camera feels less solid, the EVF and the LCD are milky pale. Electronic internal flash on full AUTO always work for me, no fuss. It has an external hotshoe which can take 500v (something high) compared to my DSLR which will be toasted at 30v. There may be sample to sample variation.

From what I see of the C8080 pics, it appears to be very sharp. More clinical or reserved colour than the P880 esp for flesh tones (I saw this on Bassy's). I saw it in glass cabinets and the construction of the body looks very solid and robust compared to the light feel of the P880. It has a pivoting LCD which should come in useful for certain low angle shots (I have a DSLR with this type).

If you want a camera that produces slightly better photos and get a good P880, then the P880. If you want a camera that feels solid then the 8080.

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kodakuser said:

myself, Ananda Sim, Bassy ,Mike from Greece, Phil Loughren and many
others have never had a prob

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Nope...never had a problem ( though this response is likely to be the kiss of death!).

You cannot begin to understand how p-d off I am with Kodak for making such an extremely good camera aimed at enthusiasts and then not keeping any spares that allow for its repair ( even a year after I saw them new in stores). Thats why I would like to see them re-introduce the camera, and start another production run of components. Not necessarily keeping the same body shape, that does need improving, but possibly a body that made use of older designed 'internal' components, allowing them to justify building spares stock and their 'green' credentials. I do not understand a company allowing us to throw away such a good piece of 'glass'. Why is this camera so disposable? I wish I could send it back and get the glass married to a new body.

I'm certain that if Kodak decided that 'small' sensors are their future, they could fit in a new version given the very good reputation the P880 has. If my P880 died...I would want a new one...possibly with the Z1085 sensor, but I would also then send off the 'broken' one for repair if possible. So Kodak would benefit doubly from my misfortune.

C8080 can be repaired....the P880 is totally dead if you get a problem with it.

Olympus take repairability more seriously....Kodak seem to expect you to throw it in the bin...shame on them!

pick the Olympus C8080 hands down! As mentioned, both are superb cameras, but unfortunately, not in the same league with regards to certain variables.

1. The C8080 has a solid, brick-like magnesium build - the P880 is polycarbonate.

2. Yes, the C8080 only has a 28-140 MM equivalent lens, but wow...what a lens, comprising pure ED lens - one of the main reasons the camera was as expensive as it was when first released. The P880 has a 24-120 lens.

3. Feature-set - without a doubt, hands-down...the C8080 rules in this area. The things you can do with the C8080 are uncanny, but like anything else, you have to get to learn them all - and that may take a little time.

4. The C8080 has an articulating LCD - the P880 doesn't.

5. The C8080 has built-in pixel mapping - the P880 doesn't.

6. The C8080 was the only 2/3" CCD that won a "high recommended" by Phil Askey, who praised the camera. The P880 received a "recommended."

7. Options: C8080 - an optional battery grip is available for the camera, thus also allowing the optional electronic cable release and remote control. The P880 has an optional barrel tube adapter and nothing much else (both units have dedicated flash capabilities).

8. CCD sizes: The C8080 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, whereas the P880 has the smaller 1/1.8" CCD size. Yet both have 8 MP's.

9. Reliability: C8080 hands down. The P880 has long term reliability issues which have been documented quite well.

10: Speed: C8080 is terribly slow writing to RAW. The P880 is a tad faster.

11. Color output: Both cameras are on par...

For those living in the US and Canada, here are the C8080's up for sale on ebay, so get 'em while they're hot. There's quite a resurgence of folks getting this camera and its classic status keeps hangin' on:

http://photography.shop.ebay.com/items/Digital-Cameras__Olympus-C8080_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_dmptZBatteriesQ5fChargersQQ_flnZ1QQ_mdoZCamerasQ2dPhotoQQ_sacatZ31388QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282

You're probably wondering, "why in the hell is Ben bragging about the C8080 over here on the Kodak forum?" Well, I shoot with 'em all (see my profile) - to include the P880. I'm not one of those who spouts off at the mouth about any camera that comes down the pike (as some do all over the place) without actually having used the cameras in question.

Here are some quick C8080 samples - shot in RAW and SHQ. Flash used was the Oympus FL-40 in bounce mode (for images that had flash in them):





























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Hi Ben, good to see you here....one slight error I believe...P880 does have pixel remapping on the sensor if you upgrade the firmware.

I think another camera that others could look at is the flagship that showed Samsung were serious about the camera market...the Samsung Pro815.

The LCD screen is wonderful, as is the EVF AND the waist level screen..yes it has 3!! I Like the weight and ergonomics, and found this camera easy to hold steadily at slow shutter speeds without IS....but it does have a HS mode which boosts the ISO to help, plus manual zoom and focus. I do think the manual focus viewing was badly implimented. Its also impossible to find the dedicated flash too.... but again...a great camera from a classis era.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungpro815/

unfortunately, it was too little too late. I picked one of those up also - a nice looking and handling unit, but alas, the IQ both in overall clarity and color rendition just doesn't match either the P880 and the C8080 (IMO). And the high ISO capabilities are about the same as the Kodak and Oly models. I like the Pro 815 - don't get me wrong, but it didn't receive many accolades at all for those that reviewed the camera. It's staying in my collection because I was determined to get most of the older 2/3" CCD cameras (I didn't get the Sony F828...just too much PF).

As for the Pixel Mapping - my bad - I was thinking of another camera (sigh...I use so many that at times I try and figure out which one to use next). But hey...I'm not gettin' laid...I'm 60...and I don't drink (maybe I should), so I buy stuff!!!!!!!
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Which RAWs are better suited for post processing to get the best possible outcame?

RAW's RAW...choose your manipulation tool of choice, I don't have an 8080, but I don't find one format better than the other.....just need the right tool to open it.

I have had both cameras. For me the C8080 is far superior in overall construction. Once again Oly is a lens manufacturer so I prefer to buy my digital cameras from those types of folks most of the time. But to me it would be most important WHERE the Oly C8080 was manufactured. Oly has used S. Korea, Thailand and Mainland China for their manufacturing. If it were from Mainland China I would NOT buy it. If from another country I would buy it hands down. And I see so little difference btw 24 and 28 mm wide angle that it would not bother me in the slightest. Last but no least Oly does really GREAT repair even on many of their older and discontinued cameras. There are a few great repair facitilites here in the USA which are independent and do first rate repair.

Another opinion,

Gary N W

Ben Herrmann said:

I didn't get the Sony F828...just too much PF).

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I did...it really was dreadful...and I paid £800 for it too!!!!....beautifully made, but I could get better pics with a £100 Kodak, so I returned it, I even bought another used one recently, and that was even worse than I remembered...I made a profit on that one

There is no contest about the build C8080 vs P880....the oly is vastly superior, also the point about repair is also very valid in favour of the Oly too

We are comparing two of the very best bridge cameras ever made here....so its a tough call, the output from both is excellent....As I said, I do really like the Oly...depends what is the most important to you

Its really really really bad that Kodak cant repair the P880....infact I am not sure that they ever did repair them...oh the throw away siociety we live in !!

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Love that Nikon 8800 BTW.....thats a really good one