RAW Converters?

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I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a vie the Canon bundled app?
 
look up threads for Yarc or Breezebrowser

I personally use Breezebrowser most often. Both have free trials. They both use the Canon SDK. It's the wrapper to Canon's actual converter that makes these strong tools.

Yarc does add a proprietary technology called ARF to the conversion process. Yet, I find Breezebrowser better for casual - in mass - conversions for computer viewing and archiving.

Yarc may be the better tool for conversions for high quality enlarging.
I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a
reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a
vie the Canon bundled app?
--
John Mason - Lafayette, IN
 
Read the extensive reviews of the various options for Canon RAW shooters at: http://www.digitalfocus.net .
I personally use Breezebrowser most often. Both have free trials.
They both use the Canon SDK. It's the wrapper to Canon's actual
converter that makes these strong tools.

Yarc does add a proprietary technology called ARF to the conversion
process. Yet, I find Breezebrowser better for casual - in mass -
conversions for computer viewing and archiving.

Yarc may be the better tool for conversions for high quality
enlarging.
I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a
reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a
vie the Canon bundled app?
--
John Mason - Lafayette, IN
--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net
 
The web site seems to be down?
I personally use Breezebrowser most often. Both have free trials.
They both use the Canon SDK. It's the wrapper to Canon's actual
converter that makes these strong tools.

Yarc does add a proprietary technology called ARF to the conversion
process. Yet, I find Breezebrowser better for casual - in mass -
conversions for computer viewing and archiving.

Yarc may be the better tool for conversions for high quality
enlarging.
I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a
reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a
vie the Canon bundled app?
--
John Mason - Lafayette, IN
--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net
 
Hi Peter,

Thanks for posting the link to your site and review; great ......well balanced and as I have just downloaded both, my finding this thread was very timely!

I have tried BB and will try Yarc; as you say both software developers seem like real enthusiasts about their respect products.

As a professional commercial photographer, I need every ounce of quality from my D60 pix, so I am looking forward to seeing some of my RAW images now via Yarc!

Thanks again
Peter
Peter Phelan Professional Imaging Ltd
UK
I personally use Breezebrowser most often. Both have free trials.
They both use the Canon SDK. It's the wrapper to Canon's actual
converter that makes these strong tools.

Yarc does add a proprietary technology called ARF to the conversion
process. Yet, I find Breezebrowser better for casual - in mass -
conversions for computer viewing and archiving.

Yarc may be the better tool for conversions for high quality
enlarging.
I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a
reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a
vie the Canon bundled app?
--
John Mason - Lafayette, IN
--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net
 
I use YarcPlus and Breezebrowser. I also bought Scott professional's Photo Studio, but have given up on him for D60 or 1D support.

Jim
I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a
reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a
vie the Canon bundled app?
 
I am sure this has been probably hashed to death, but I can't get a
reasonable index on any of the topics headings.

Thoughts or place to read discussions about RAW converters - vis a
vie the Canon bundled app?
Have a look at the url below.....

--
Fred!

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RAW file processing? http://www.gamesunlimited.nl
 
Hi Peter,

Thanks for posting the link to your site and review; great
......well balanced and as I have just downloaded both, my finding
this thread was very timely!

I have tried BB and will try Yarc; as you say both software
developers seem like real enthusiasts about their respect products.

As a professional commercial photographer, I need every ounce of
quality from my D60 pix, so I am looking forward to seeing some of
my RAW images now via Yarc!

Thanks again
Peter
Peter Phelan Professional Imaging Ltd
UK
Peter,

Please email me or post to our site if you have any questions regarding YarcPlus.

Also note that YP allows you to set each pictute to completely different settings and then convert them all in one batch. We call this PBPC (PictureByPicture Conversion). So when converting from a session of 100+ pictures some could be set to daylight WB and some to a Master Gray card (for instance), but they can all be converted at one time in one batch.

Enjoy and let me know if I can be of assistance as you evaluate the products.

--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
 
Hi Michael,

Thanks for the reply; I'll drop you a line separately re Yarc since I am not sure if detailed posting is allowed here in the Forum?

However I have had a chance to try the software out briefly and file conversion was great. I like the interface and indeed your company's whole approach to development, user interface, support etc.

I was aware of the individual pix processing you mentioned (you see we do read all the info on the site an dManual etc!! ) and will try some of this, along with the ARF etc.

I must admit on the studio raw pix I converted I could not see any real difference between Yarc's and Canon's own conversion. However, I am pretty fussy over all my work, shooting trannies for commercial product pix for brochures etc. so exposures are always spot on. I guess your additional processing power would come into it's own with say location stuff shot under difficult conditions?

I did some photography for a London theatre company recently (did not have the D60 then) and it will be interesting to see how the camera copes with such varied stage lighting in future.

I am not sure at this stage whether it is best to just convert the raw images and use RAW conversion software merely for that, or whether the same kind of thing applies as to scanning?

Here, I try to do everything in the Silverfast scanning software so that there is little or no adjustment needed once the image reaches Photoshop. Since we are dealing with the digital negative, I imagine the conversion software is as important as the scanning software when scanning trannies.

I have seen scans from various scanners etc., but our scans with Silverfast, scanning directly on the fly to cmyk are the closest I have seen to the repro house bureau scans we used prior to the digital revolution.

Therefore it is the scanning software which is the important link in the chain. You can get quite good scans from a modest scanner with the right software, but even a good scanner cannot produce good scans with poor software.

Is the same true with RAW conversion software please? My test images were just converted to 16 bit tiff, with no adjustemt, no profile, and needed practically no further adjustment in Photoshop. I merely converted to 8 bit then to our normal 3M Matchprint cmyk profile.

Anyway enough of my chat ..........I'll e-mail you separately.

With kind regards,
Peter
Hi Peter,

Thanks for posting the link to your site and review; great
......well balanced and as I have just downloaded both, my finding
this thread was very timely!

I have tried BB and will try Yarc; as you say both software
developers seem like real enthusiasts about their respect products.

As a professional commercial photographer, I need every ounce of
quality from my D60 pix, so I am looking forward to seeing some of
my RAW images now via Yarc!

Thanks again
Peter
Peter Phelan Professional Imaging Ltd
UK
Peter,

Please email me or post to our site if you have any questions
regarding YarcPlus.

Also note that YP allows you to set each pictute to completely
different settings and then convert them all in one batch. We call
this PBPC (PictureByPicture Conversion). So when converting from a
session of 100+ pictures some could be set to daylight WB and some
to a Master Gray card (for instance), but they can all be converted
at one time in one batch.

Enjoy and let me know if I can be of assistance as you evaluate the
products.

--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
--
Peter Phelan Professional Imaging Ltd
Falmouth UK
http://www.peterphelan.com
 
It could be my ignorance, but I actually prefer it's UI to Yarc's. I haven't tried BreezeBrowser yet. Am I missing something?

Except for ARF, the resulting image is the same from all three, since they all use Canon's SDK. The feature set (re: RAW conversion itself) is pretty much identical, too - they all mirror the features of Canon's SDK.

--
D60, 28-135 IS, 550EX
 
It could be my ignorance, but I actually prefer it's UI to Yarc's.
I haven't tried BreezeBrowser yet. Am I missing something?
Yes, BreezeBrowser's UI. It's in a different league.
Except for ARF, the resulting image is the same from all three,
since they all use Canon's SDK. The feature set (re: RAW
conversion itself) is pretty much identical, too - they all mirror
the features of Canon's SDK.
Yes, but BB has a much beter interface, excellent HTML conversion,.
proper mangement of EXIF (to come in some future YP, I know) and
a high-quality image-viewing mode.

I purchased both BB and YP, but I almost always use BB.
Sometimes ARF helps, sometimes it hinders, and often I can't
see any difference (on the natural images I normally shot at low ISO).

--
D60. 28-135 IS, 100 macro, Sigma 15-30
 
I have actually found Canon's interface to be very annoying, especially with the requirement to register image locations all the time. I tend to move stuff around alot and it made the software crazy.
It could be my ignorance, but I actually prefer it's UI to Yarc's.
I haven't tried BreezeBrowser yet. Am I missing something?

Except for ARF, the resulting image is the same from all three,
since they all use Canon's SDK. The feature set (re: RAW
conversion itself) is pretty much identical, too - they all mirror
the features of Canon's SDK.

--
D60, 28-135 IS, 550EX
 
Don't get me wrong - ZoomBrowser EX stinks. I was talking about their "RAW Image Converter 2", which I find very intuitive - you just load up the images, choose your settings (with full preview), and then convert.
I have actually found Canon's interface to be very annoying,
especially with the requirement to register image locations all the
time. I tend to move stuff around alot and it made the software
crazy.
 
I own ACDSee, but am thinking about replacing it with Thumbs Plus. Is BreezeBrowser a Thumbs Plus replacement? I downloaded the preview, but it only supports 12 images, so it's hard to know whether it'd be good for me. Like most of you, I have thousands ans thousands of images. Some programs (eg ACDSee) start developing problems once you get over 1000 images or so, especially with big TIFFs and CRWs.
It could be my ignorance, but I actually prefer it's UI to Yarc's.
I haven't tried BreezeBrowser yet. Am I missing something?
Yes, BreezeBrowser's UI. It's in a different league.
Except for ARF, the resulting image is the same from all three,
since they all use Canon's SDK. The feature set (re: RAW
conversion itself) is pretty much identical, too - they all mirror
the features of Canon's SDK.
Yes, but BB has a much beter interface, excellent HTML conversion,.
proper mangement of EXIF (to come in some future YP, I know) and
a high-quality image-viewing mode.

I purchased both BB and YP, but I almost always use BB.
Sometimes ARF helps, sometimes it hinders, and often I can't
see any difference (on the natural images I normally shot at low ISO).

--
D60. 28-135 IS, 100 macro, Sigma 15-30
--
D60, 28-135 IS, 550EX
 
Thanks for the reply; I'll drop you a line separately re Yarc since
I am not sure if detailed posting is allowed here in the Forum?

However I have had a chance to try the software out briefly and
file conversion was great. I like the interface and indeed your
company's whole approach to development, user interface, support
etc.

I was aware of the individual pix processing you mentioned (you see
we do read all the info on the site an dManual etc!! ) and will
try some of this, along with the ARF etc.

I must admit on the studio raw pix I converted I could not see any
real difference between Yarc's and Canon's own conversion. However,
I am pretty fussy over all my work, shooting trannies for
commercial product pix for brochures etc. so exposures are always
spot on. I guess your additional processing power would come into
it's own with say location stuff shot under difficult conditions?

I did some photography for a London theatre company recently (did
not have the D60 then) and it will be interesting to see how the
camera copes with such varied stage lighting in future.

I am not sure at this stage whether it is best to just convert the
raw images and use RAW conversion software merely for that, or
whether the same kind of thing applies as to scanning?

Here, I try to do everything in the Silverfast scanning software so
that there is little or no adjustment needed once the image reaches
Photoshop. Since we are dealing with the digital negative, I
imagine the conversion software is as important as the scanning
software when scanning trannies.

I have seen scans from various scanners etc., but our scans with
Silverfast, scanning directly on the fly to cmyk are the closest I
have seen to the repro house bureau scans we used prior to the
digital revolution.

Therefore it is the scanning software which is the important link
in the chain. You can get quite good scans from a modest scanner
with the right software, but even a good scanner cannot produce
good scans with poor software.

Is the same true with RAW conversion software please? My test
images were just converted to 16 bit tiff, with no adjustemt, no
profile, and needed practically no further adjustment in Photoshop.
I merely converted to 8 bit then to our normal 3M Matchprint cmyk
profile.

Anyway enough of my chat ..........I'll e-mail you separately.

With kind regards,
Peter
Hi Peter,

Thanks for posting the link to your site and review; great
......well balanced and as I have just downloaded both, my finding
this thread was very timely!

I have tried BB and will try Yarc; as you say both software
developers seem like real enthusiasts about their respect products.

As a professional commercial photographer, I need every ounce of
quality from my D60 pix, so I am looking forward to seeing some of
my RAW images now via Yarc!

Thanks again
Peter
Peter Phelan Professional Imaging Ltd
UK
Peter,

Please email me or post to our site if you have any questions
regarding YarcPlus.

Also note that YP allows you to set each pictute to completely
different settings and then convert them all in one batch. We call
this PBPC (PictureByPicture Conversion). So when converting from a
session of 100+ pictures some could be set to daylight WB and some
to a Master Gray card (for instance), but they can all be converted
at one time in one batch.

Enjoy and let me know if I can be of assistance as you evaluate the
products.

--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
--
Peter Phelan Professional Imaging Ltd
Falmouth UK
http://www.peterphelan.com
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
 
It could be my ignorance, but I actually prefer it's UI to Yarc's.
I haven't tried BreezeBrowser yet. Am I missing something?

Except for ARF, the resulting image is the same from all three,
since they all use Canon's SDK. The feature set (re: RAW
conversion itself) is pretty much identical, too - they all mirror
the features of Canon's SDK.

--
D60, 28-135 IS, 550EX
I am not trying to change your mind. if you like Canon RIC then you should use it. But for the other readers I would like to point out some differences..

Canon can do PictureByPicture Conversion settings, but not as much as YarcPlus...for example Canon can only set the followinf globally...
--Output format
--FCF
--Sharpness (1D)
--Linear

...noit differtent for each picture.

Also Canon does not have ARF.

Canon can also not view 100% preview quickly.
Takes15 seconds to rotate an image.
Cannot do a quick JPEg view.
No master Gray Card Setting (I believe).

This is based on my knowledge of the version just before this new one last week.

People should try all 3 (YP, BB, Canon) and see what is good for them. In many cases there is good use for more than 1, as some do some things better than others.

Also regarding post below about ThumbsPlus. None of the converter software is an image database. ThumbsPlus or ACDSee or iMatch are a different type of software.

There is overlap in all, but in my opinion, you need a database like ThumbsPlus (my favoriate) or ACDSee, or iMatch in addition to your converter of choice.

Just my opinion. And try before you buy (of course Canon is for free)
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
http://www.YarcPlus.com
http://www.michaeltapes.com
 

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