Not upgrading for sentimental reasons?

I have a 5D and have not for a second contemplated of any "upgrade". I am not a hard-cored tech maniac because I regard photography is an art and its hardware is important only to a point. No one can ever win the race of hardwares. Many people upgrade their things only because they are availabe and perhaps having certain new features which have nothing to do with good photographing
 
Although I've "upgraded" several times from the 5D now [7D, A100, A350, A700] I've not yet got rid of any bodies - I just don't see the point when they have minimal resale value compared to their purchase price [and I got as good a deal as possible on all of them]

As has been said many times, none of them take lesser pictures than when I first got them - some may produce better results than others in certain circumstances, but I think they all still have certain unique traits to offer, whether based upon their inbuilt capabilities or upon accessories available for them [eg A100s CameraArmor]

...now if i could just find an A900 under the £1k mark - well under it !

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I have a 5D and have not for a second contemplated of any "upgrade".
I am not a hard-cored tech maniac because I regard photography is an
art and its hardware is important only to a point. No one can ever
win the race of hardwares. Many people upgrade their things only
because they are availabe and perhaps having certain new features
which have nothing to do with good photographing
I certainly agree with you. The person behind the camera is what makes the difference. Getting the A700 is not going to make me a better photographer and that's a fact, but it will increase my enjoyment of the hobby.

I was never overly fond of my A100, it was purchased only because my 5D went in for warranty and I had a side gig I was committed to. After using it for some time it has issues which drove me nuts...flash exposure being the most frustrating. Many scenarios fooled it so bad I practically abondoned using flashguns with that cam. The A100 is capable of stunning results, but I never got the warm, fuzzy feeling from it like the old 5D does. Hopefully the A700 will give me two cameras I'd happily use in any situation.
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I have a 5D and have not for a second contemplated of any "upgrade".
I am not a hard-cored tech maniac because I regard photography is an
art and its hardware is important only to a point. No one can ever
win the race of hardwares. Many people upgrade their things only
because they are availabe and perhaps having certain new features
which have nothing to do with good photographing
--Its almost impossible to get good action shots with 3 frames per sec. Anticipation of a single shot is all luck... I would much rather look for that money shot in ten frames, than try to find it in 6 shots. It still boils down to a certain amount of luck , but increasing the odds is what better cameras offer, be it faster focus, FPS, or consistent exposure. The 5D has many short comings, as does the 7D... these all take away from " Getting the shot" I am often asked if upgrading to a A700 will get me better shots, or get shots that would be impossible with the 5D..... I never respond to those type of questions because , all of the people that I have pushed to get an A700, at some point in time after they receive their A700 always get back to me with a thank you, ( I would never have been able to get this shot with my 5D )

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I think if you are satisfied with the performance of the current camera/cameras you have, then there may be no compelling reason to "upgrade" as such.

On paper the A700 def is an upgrade to the 5/7d of this world, though I am not sure it has the appeal of the KM's on the colour front, but that is down to taste (and messing about with settings etc), have to say none of the sony's have the same colour thing going on, though the warm reds could land me in trouble sometimes with the 5d..it does nice work for skintones when it does hit the spot.

The only thing that put me off the A700 was the lack of AF micro adjustments..true previous models have not had this..but still, I suspect it's replacement will have this added. But the price of the A700 is good now.

So I can fully understand those who do go for it.

Jury is still out for me A200 wise, it's probably a better camera for scenic stuff (metering wise at least), does decent b&w's too, but not up to the 5d build or high ISO..so it was more a sideways back a bit step, than an upgrade..I will hang onto it, flash is better more consistent..and a useful back up additional body to the 5d. Truth is I consider both back ups to my film bodies now..even the mighty 5d colours, cannot match film to my eyes ;-)
 
--Its almost impossible to get good action shots with 3 frames per
sec. Anticipation of a single shot is all luck... I would much rather
look for that money shot in ten frames, than try to find it in 6
shots. It still boils down to a certain amount of luck , but
increasing the odds is what better cameras offer, be it faster focus,
FPS, or consistent exposure. The 5D has many short comings, as does
the 7D... these all take away from " Getting the shot" I am often
asked if upgrading to a A700 will get me better shots, or get shots
that would be impossible with the 5D..... I never respond to those
type of questions because , all of the people that I have pushed to
get an A700, at some point in time after they receive their A700
always get back to me with a thank you, ( I would never have been
able to get this shot with my 5D )

Bill
Capturing memories, one at a time.
Hmmmm

I won't debate that 5fps is much nice v 3fps, but hey..I wonder a few things here.

Ist off, how the hell did they manage to get good action shots pre motor drive days? You know the motor sports days, tennis..horse racing etc etc.

I have not done huge no's of action shots, but I def can time the moment, I managed to get some not bad horse action shots in pretty nasty low light conditions, managed to get a few nice football ones too. With the 3fps 5d. Now again, I won't pick hairs, would an A700 make life easier? Sure..no question.

But skill is the word you are missing in your words. And I don't claim to be a legend of action shots..far from it, but you can def get the shots with a 5d. It's not just about holding the shutter down and hope for the best you know!
 
--Its almost impossible to get good action shots with 3 frames per
sec. Anticipation of a single shot is all luck... I would much rather
look for that money shot in ten frames, than try to find it in 6
shots. It still boils down to a certain amount of luck , but
increasing the odds is what better cameras offer, be it faster focus,
FPS, or consistent exposure. The 5D has many short comings, as does
the 7D... these all take away from " Getting the shot" I am often
asked if upgrading to a A700 will get me better shots, or get shots
that would be impossible with the 5D..... I never respond to those
type of questions because , all of the people that I have pushed to
get an A700, at some point in time after they receive their A700
always get back to me with a thank you, ( I would never have been
able to get this shot with my 5D )

Bill
Capturing memories, one at a time.
Hmmmm

I won't debate that 5fps is much nice v 3fps, but hey..I wonder a few
things here.

Ist off, how the hell did they manage to get good action shots pre
motor drive days? You know the motor sports days, tennis..horse
racing etc etc.

I have not done huge no's of action shots, but I def can time the
moment, I managed to get some not bad horse action shots in pretty
nasty low light conditions, managed to get a few nice football ones
too. With the 3fps 5d. Now again, I won't pick hairs, would an A700
make life easier? Sure..no question.

But skill is the word you are missing in your words. And I don't
claim to be a legend of action shots..far from it, but you can def
get the shots with a 5d. It's not just about holding the shutter down
and hope for the best you know!
--Barry, I have been shooting action shots for 40 years.. I even think that was before digital cameras were offered to the general public ] : )... to answer your questions about the past... if you didn't have a 9 frame motor drive, you missed out on lots of money shots because your frame rate was slow and you either hit the shot alittle before or after the Money shot,,,as Ive said many times, if you only get one shot at the apex of a horse jump, and the horses ears are back, the shot is lost... if you get two or three shots at the apex with a 5 fps camera, and one of those three has the horses ears forward, rider in perfect post, and heels are down, you have a winner. They say all the time that the measure of a good photographer is the amount of frames thrown in their trash bin, not the number of frames in their keeper bin. when you shoot 36 frames, and really have no great shots but keep two or three anyway because they are the best of the worst.. thats the way it is.,. but when you shoot 300 shots and keep 2 or three, I'm willing to bet that your chances of better shots are taken from 300 frames and not 36 frames.
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--Barry, I have been shooting action shots for 40 years.. I even
think that was before digital cameras were offered to the general
public ] : )... to answer your questions about the past... if you
didn't have a 9 frame motor drive, you missed out on lots of money
shots because your frame rate was slow and you either hit the shot
alittle before or after the Money shot,,,as Ive said many times, if
you only get one shot at the apex of a horse jump, and the horses
ears are back, the shot is lost... if you get two or three shots at
the apex with a 5 fps camera, and one of those three has the horses
ears forward, rider in perfect post, and heels are down, you have a
winner. They say all the time that the measure of a good photographer
is the amount of frames thrown in their trash bin, not the number of
frames in their keeper bin. when you shoot 36 frames, and really have
no great shots but keep two or three anyway because they are the best
of the worst.. thats the way it is.,. but when you shoot 300 shots
and keep 2 or three, I'm willing to bet that your chances of better
shots are taken from 300 frames and not 36 frames.
Bill
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Like I said I won't argue more fps is better, heck it's a challenge doing action shots anyway, let alone in dim light camera maxed out high ISO, and nothing in the bag fast tele lens wise, however, I didn't let that stop me at least having a decent bash, 50mm f1.7 and all ;-)

I soon got into the swing of things, timing is very important, and as the riders were making their rounds, I had a pretty good "feel" for when to fire the shutter..and the 5d isn't the fastest kid on the block by any means, but the words "cannot be done" don't wash with me, sure cannot be done on a vivitar compact maybe..not easy maybe..but half the fun is the challenge.



This was the ist time I ever photographed a football match, and sure enough I bashed off tons of frames at the start of the match. Trouble is, I was getting pretty bad shots, because I was not looking in the right place, or getting a feel for things enough. So I calmed down, got less trigger happy and got a decent (IMO) shot, that's with my doorstop 75-300mm too, not exactly a sports shooters lens of choice either. In hindsight I should have dialled down the exposure, to hold the highlights a bit better, but still, it aint half bad really..and by not going gaga on the shutter I got better shots.



BTW I never argued film was a perfect choice for action shots, def not..digital is a fine weapon in that regard, though it never stopped decent shots from being made.

I would also add, if big frame no's work for some folks on action, no problems there..but for landscapes and people portrait shots , you would seriously have to question if you were doing something horribly wrong if you end up with 100's of shots to delete. 36 exposures is about 30 more than you need for that type of work.
 
--Barry, I have been shooting action shots for 40 years.. I even
think that was before digital cameras were offered to the general
public ] : )... to answer your questions about the past... if you
didn't have a 9 frame motor drive, you missed out on lots of money
shots because your frame rate was slow and you either hit the shot
alittle before or after the Money shot,,,as Ive said many times, if
you only get one shot at the apex of a horse jump, and the horses
ears are back, the shot is lost... if you get two or three shots at
the apex with a 5 fps camera, and one of those three has the horses
ears forward, rider in perfect post, and heels are down, you have a
winner. They say all the time that the measure of a good photographer
is the amount of frames thrown in their trash bin, not the number of
frames in their keeper bin. when you shoot 36 frames, and really have
no great shots but keep two or three anyway because they are the best
of the worst.. thats the way it is.,. but when you shoot 300 shots
and keep 2 or three, I'm willing to bet that your chances of better
shots are taken from 300 frames and not 36 frames.
Bill
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Like I said I won't argue more fps is better, heck it's a challenge
doing action shots anyway, let alone in dim light camera maxed out
high ISO, and nothing in the bag fast tele lens wise, however, I
didn't let that stop me at least having a decent bash, 50mm f1.7 and
all ;-)

I soon got into the swing of things, timing is very important, and as
the riders were making their rounds, I had a pretty good "feel" for
when to fire the shutter..and the 5d isn't the fastest kid on the
block by any means, but the words "cannot be done" don't wash with
me, sure cannot be done on a vivitar compact maybe..not easy
maybe..but half the fun is the challenge.



--My shot and yours. BTW your composition is very good, but the subject ( Horse and rider ) in your shot shows no grooming, horse was left out in the cold all winter and not groomed, and less than perfect posture... heels have to be below the line of the stirrup hands have to be above the neck line. You can compare the IQ for yourself... Your soccer shot is very well done.. as Ive said before the guy in the middle looks like a young Rod Stuart.
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I have a 5D and have not for a second contemplated of any "upgrade".
I am not a hard-cored tech maniac because I regard photography is an
art and its hardware is important only to a point. No one can ever
win the race of hardwares. Many people upgrade their things only
because they are availabe and perhaps having certain new features
which have nothing to do with good photographing
The "new" features of the A700 are not what attracted me to this camera. Compared to what I currently have, these are the features I'm most looking forward to (in order):

-More customization and external controls. I'm looking forward to getting the A700 for all the buttons and dials that would otherwise take some menu digging on my other cameras. That Custom button will be most welcome.

-Improved flash performance (my A100 is lousy in this regard, 5D OK)

-Flash X-sync of 1/250 (1/160 for my cameras). Helps with portraits in daylight.

-Better viewfinder (for manual focusing)

-Better build quality. I'm not hard on my gear at all but I appreciate well constructed tools.

Those are my top reasons for upgrading to this model. The other things like better ISO, faster AF and 5 FPS are just icing on the cake but not essential for what I do. This camera should satisfy my needs for a long time, the A100 never did from the day I got it.

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The A700 is not arguably a better camera.. it is a better camera overall... that doesnt mean the 5D and 7D are great cameras.
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