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I'm tempted to say YES...

Sure, the forum is not bad, but I must say it's not like it used to be anymore. (Back when Godfrey was a regular poster, for instance...)

Fanatical-like brand fanboys sometimes make this forum a very emotional place.

The bashing of reviewers Richard Butler and Simon Joinson on their Nikon D90 review (vs. the K20D) is a good example of what I mean. It was a shame...

And I myself took part in this mob lynching. Not my finest hour, that's for sure. Since then, I've made efforts to work towards having a better attitude on this forum. I don't want to bash another reviewer anymore, even if I feel the review is unfair. Bashing just won't do any good.

But I'll say NO.

Before resorting to such means as giving DPR full powers to do whatever they want with our Pentax spot, I suggest we all make an effort to turn this forum back into what it used to be: the most friendly of all the DPR forums, the one that made users from other forums envious of our nice Pentax hang out and made them take a peek inside!
:)

So let's share nice pictures, let's give (and ask for) tips and advice and let's talk about old, new and upcoming products. And let's all do it in a friendly state of mind: we're supposed to be here to have fun and to exchange on digital photography!

BTW, here's an example of the kind of behavior I don't like in this forum.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=31186720

The question was: how much would I spend on a FA* 28-70mm F/2.8?

My answer was: not more than what I would spend for a similar brand new lens from Sigma or Tamron.

The result: I almost got flamed because people thought I didn't like the FA* 28-70 F/2.8, while in fact I was just saying that I would rather buy a more affordable lens...

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Once you've mastered the technique and the equipment, you can concentrate on
the more important aspects of photography: originality, atmosphere, emotion
and — ultimately — soul.
— Jeff
 
Whatever.

We need far more cat threads ....

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sfa

A very limited photographer ...

 
LuzArt said:
It seems Lance's post went right over your head.
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If in fact it was a reply to Lance. Giving it the benefit of the doubt perhaps the poster uses flat view and replied in the wrong place without any quoted context to give a clue. It happens a lot.

If not then... Well, 'nuff said.

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John Bean [BST ('British Stupid Time' - GMT+1)]

 
LuzArt said:
It seems Lance's post went right over your head.
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I believe Adam is replying to Mitch's original post.

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tigrebleu said:
I'm tempted to say YES...

Sure, the forum is not bad, but I must say it's not like it used to
be anymore. (Back when Godfrey was a regular poster, for instance...)

Fanatical-like brand fanboys sometimes make this forum a very
emotional place.

The bashing of reviewers Richard Butler and Simon Joinson on their
Nikon D90 review (vs. the K20D) is a good example of what I mean. It
was a shame...

And I myself took part in this mob lynching. Not my finest hour,
that's for sure. Since then, I've made efforts to work towards having
a better attitude on this forum. I don't want to bash another
reviewer anymore, even if I feel the review is unfair. Bashing just
won't do any good.

But I'll say NO.
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tigrebleu said:
Before resorting to such means as giving DPR full powers to do
whatever they want with our Pentax spot,
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Huh?? Dpreview already has full power to do whatever they want. One of the biggest problems here is that some members think it's their forum and that dpreview has nothing to say about it. It's dpreview's "spot".
 
Ed Woodson said:
It didn't take too long to find that there were a lot of folks here
who were quite cuastic.
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Erm... a bit like the real world then :-)

Unfortunately the price you pay for throwing together a collection of talent is that not all will behave in a way befitting a Womens Institute jam-making session or the vicar's tea party. Just think of the behaviour of most of the artistic greats over the centuries; talent and free thinking encourage the stretching of boundaries, sometimes to the point of breaking.

I'm not excusing bad behaviour, nor am I saying that all talented people are badly behaved and certainly not that all badly behaved people are talented. But on the whole you'll get a lot more creativity from even a small bunch of anarchic "artists" than from a zillion stamp collectors or train spotters.

And that brings me back to this forum. Many seem to think it should be just a "stamp collector'" club for Pentax cameras; others (including me) think it should be a creative resource for all things photographic with a strong slant towards Pentax of course. In reality it must accommodate both, which requires a bit of give and take on both sides along with the occasional need to apply sanctions to anyone who stretches the boundaries of acceptable behaviour too far.

The forum is what it is, the members at large determine that. Hopefully the strident demands of those who want to impose their will on it - whilst simultaneously accusing others of doing exactly the same - will slowly fade into the background and forum "life" will return to normal... whatever that is.

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John Bean [BST ('British Stupid Time' - GMT+1)]

 
John Bean (UK) said:
I'm not excusing bad behaviour, nor am I saying that all talented
people are badly behaved and certainly not that all badly behaved
people are talented. But on the whole you'll get a lot more
creativity from even a small bunch of anarchic "artists" than from a
zillion stamp collectors or train spotters.
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But very few are deliberately mean and so psychotic to go out their way to hurt others for nothing but there own ego aggrandisement.

Though you are correct in your assessment that most talented people through history have demonstrated a social ineptitude bordering on the anarchistic.

I always thought this was a result of the 'British public school' system, but the symptoms appear international not unilateral.

Luckily as far as Photography goes I've never been accussed of talent ;-(
 
Steve36 said:
John Bean (UK) said:
Steve36 said:
It's better now, has a more friendly less clicky feel.
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Aren't cameras supposed to be clicky?
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:-))

My D100 is more clonky than clicky
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And don't forget the early K10d's allegedly more wonky than clonky ;-)
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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTIST&subSection=1471087&subSubSection=0&language=EN
 
The rules are defined by the mods. The athmosphere is defined by the members.

There is no such thing as returning to what a forum once was. It will always be a reflection of its present users and their state of mind.

It is futile to discuss things that you can't do anything about in the first place. All you can do is to suggest something and then it will either happen or it won't.

In this case all you can do is to write what you like or what you don't like about this forum.

What I see as a quality might be seen as something annoying by others but if it accepted by larger groups and the post are not deleted by the mods then it is a legal part of this forum.

I come here to seek technical knowledge and inspiration. I get knowledge from the tech posts and inspiration from the image posts. To me the image threads are the refreshing element in this forum and they will of course always reflect the quality of the photographers present.

Fortunately we have some highly talented photographers in this forum but to some it is not a good thing to be reminded of their own lacking skills. Some of those have tried to use this situation under cover of the rules to establish a situation where image threads are not tolerated generally. No threads have been deleted because of violation of the gallery rule and nobody has been banned because of this. That means we are within the limts of this rule in this forum and so these threads are NOT against the rules.

If posts are deleted but people are not banned then it only means that these posts were deleted in order to avoid an escalation of the situation but also that the other posts from that person are not againsts the rules, You can be sure that posting history is checked everytime posts are deleted.

That being said I will also like to add that talent is no excuse for bad behaviour as long as bad behaviour is defined by the mods.

Regarding the so called tripe post I will urge people to just skip the tripe posts of little interest especially if they sense that people participating in the tripe threads are having a good time.

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Have a nice day (a picture is worth a thousand words)
Jim

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'Don't overestimate technology - nothing is knowledgefree'

 
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