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this is sonys hx1 800 iso THAT much resized as your nikon p90 samples
800 iso !!!!!!!!
so yes sony can beat that heavily resized samples very easily even at 800 iso
 


and this is the difference from just changing f:2,8 to f:8
is this different noise reduction?? NO ITS DIFFRACTION
people who dont know think its bad noise reduction!
THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME sample just the aperture is f:2,8 and f:8
SAME NOISE REDUCTION

And diffraction has nothing to do with G lens, that small pixels should be used with wider aperture and not f:8

And please solve me the mystery and show me some nature photos that f:8 was that necessary so you couldnt afford not using it
 
Is it really necessary to post a message every minute?
 
I am done, have nothing more to say, just show the truth for the ones who missjudge noise reduction and diffraction
 
Some of the full-size photos had a 4-MB bit-size, so it wasn't over-compression that made them look so dull and low-resolution. We can hope it was just the result of poor shooting technique and loss in transmission. It is amazing how much difference in photo quality you see from one website to another, on any camera model. If NR is too heavy in darker areas, it doesn't seem likely it would cause so much problem in shots taken in sunshine. The video looked fairly sharp and the rolling-shutter effects were at an almost tolerable level. I couldn't get more than one video to play.

Could these pictures have been deliberately mangled, to try to sabotage this camera's reputation? They look bad enough to raise suspicions. When the Canon SX1 looked so mediocre in the review photos, I felt a sense of relief, knowing that I wouldn't be spending any of my money on it. Will Sony have made an equally poor new model with the HX1, that I'll be forced to continue enjoying the excellent quality of the cameras and camcorders I already have?

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SDF said:
harry cannoli said:
Thanks for the link. The ISO 400 sample is absolutely awful. So much
noise, especially in the reds, which are bad beyond the point of
redemption.

Cheers
Harry
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Jesus, are you guys comparing to Sony DSLR A900? These sample looks
good for P&S. In my opinion, these samples look way better than
Canon SX10 or Nikon P90.
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I'm not comparing the HX-1 to anything. All I said was that ISO400 sucks, which it does. Tellya what, you want a comparison? Compare the HX-1 to my old 707. I'll take the 707 any day of the week.

As for comparing to a DSLR, the argument used to be that the DSLR was way more expensive so a comparison wasn't valid. Those days are gone. An entry level DSLR can be had for less than the HX-1. I understand that the DSLR won't have autostitch, autostack, HD video, and every attachment one would expect on a swiss army knife, but if you're criteria for comparison is image quality (reasonable, since the primary function of a camera is to take pictures) then the comparison benween the HX-1 and an entry level nikon or canon or oly is a perfectly reasonable comparison to make.

For me, image quality is the most important, all encompassing thing. Good image quality means a good sensor, good glass, good AF and metering. For me, that is what a camera is supposed to, take good pictures.

Cheers
Harry
 
I'm torn between the HX1, Canon SX1, and Panasonic TZ7. It would be hard to not have the 1080p video so now it's the HX1 or SX1. The review here for the SX1 didn't go so well. In that review are photos from the HX1 as comparison shots, hopefully this means that one day soon there could be a review of the HX1 to really settle our minds.
 
akaloith said:
akaloith wrote:
I am done, have nothing more to say, just show the truth for the ones
who missjudge noise reduction and diffraction
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Nothing personal, but sometimes you guys kill me.
 
...especially at such a ridiculously high price. And to think one can get a Sony DSLR for $150 less! I will take the DSLR thanks; and it gets good reviews.

I am confident that I could get better results from the A200 than this P&S. (and have an extra 150 bucks in my wallet!)
Glen
http://www.focusonnewfoundland.com

 
As expected, akaloith and Marti58 are first in the fray, defending and attacking the HX1 for as long as we STF members can remember. Who shall emerge victorious? We'll let members of the floor decide.

Some things I'd like to point out:
  • Diffraction normally appears at f/11 in DSLRs, but given the tiny sensor in HX1, it may appear at f/5.6. Regardless, f/8 is the norm for landscape photography, and the smearing in the samples is due to NR, not diffraction.
  • Don't compare any PnS with Nikon's PnS lineup. They are horrible, and therefore Nikon should just stick to their DSLR products.
  • Sony has been stubborn regarding RAW and NR (and hotshoe, but irrelevant here). Even at NR-, the painting effect is still prominent.
  • Cameras are the only electronic products where newer isn't always better.
  • Sony HX1 is a gimmicky product. It is aimed at amateurs who love their Smile Shutter, Face Detection, Anti-Blink, Face Memory, super duper zoom, video-quality panorama, and Sony's Happy Face Retouch. If you're a more serious photographer who places higher priority on IQ, look elsewhere.
My 2 cents

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The new cam will not replace my H5 as far as I can see from the samples ... But that's not only Sony. My brother sold his H9 and bought the new canon Sx1 and now he regrets it
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843 said:
As expected, akaloith and Marti58 are first in the fray, defending
and attacking the HX1 for as long as we STF members can remember. Who
shall emerge victorious? We'll let members of the floor decide.
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it has nothing to do with wanting to be victorious, i'm not battling aka....but i'm bringing up what i see in the pictures shown on the links brought up by him.

as we STF remember ..............well i've been around some years on STF and seen all H ones passing by..........so i think i've seen more then enough material to be able to compare to what i see now.
843 said:
Some things I'd like to point out:
  • Diffraction normally appears at f/11 in DSLRs, but given the tiny
sensor in HX1, it may appear at f/5.6. Regardless, f/8 is the norm
for landscape photography, and the smearing in the samples is due to
NR, not diffraction.
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like i said NR not ....
843 said:
  • Don't compare any PnS with Nikon's PnS lineup. They are horrible,
and therefore Nikon should just stick to their DSLR products.
  • Sony has been stubborn regarding RAW and NR (and hotshoe, but
irrelevant here). Even at NR-, the painting effect is still prominent.
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same observation made by me.
843 said:
  • Cameras are the only electronic products where newer isn't always
better.
  • Sony HX1 is a gimmicky product. It is aimed at amateurs who love
their Smile Shutter, Face Detection, Anti-Blink, Face Memory, super
duper zoom, video-quality panorama, and Sony's Happy Face Retouch. If
you're a more serious photographer who places higher priority on IQ,
look elsewhere.
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i think people have the right to get better noweday's if it comes to image quality, that is what i'm talking about not gimmicks in that regard i prefer the oldies.

if gimmicks work as promised then i would love it.
843 said:
My 2 cents

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/843/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/marti58/
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Marti58 said:
843 said:
As expected, akaloith and Marti58 are first in the fray, defending
and attacking the HX1 for as long as we STF members can remember. Who
shall emerge victorious? We'll let members of the floor decide.
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attacking= not the same as seeing things in pictures shown at various sites.

to make one thing clear i'm not attacking, i'm just telling what i see from my point of view .........i think thats something different .......sure people have and alway's will have different opinions ..........thats not attacking.
Member said:
it has nothing to do with wanting to be victorious, i'm not battling
aka....but i'm bringing up what i see in the pictures shown on the
links brought up by him.

as we STF remember ..............well i've been around some years
on STF and seen all H ones passing by..........so i think i've seen
more then enough material to be able to compare to what i see now.
Member said:
Some things I'd like to point out:
  • Diffraction normally appears at f/11 in DSLRs, but given the tiny
sensor in HX1, it may appear at f/5.6. Regardless, f/8 is the norm
for landscape photography, and the smearing in the samples is due to
NR, not diffraction.
Click to expand...
like i said NR not ....
Member said:
  • Don't compare any PnS with Nikon's PnS lineup. They are horrible,
and therefore Nikon should just stick to their DSLR products.
  • Sony has been stubborn regarding RAW and NR (and hotshoe, but
irrelevant here). Even at NR-, the painting effect is still prominent.
Click to expand...
same observation made by me.
Member said:
  • Cameras are the only electronic products where newer isn't always
better.
  • Sony HX1 is a gimmicky product. It is aimed at amateurs who love
their Smile Shutter, Face Detection, Anti-Blink, Face Memory, super
duper zoom, video-quality panorama, and Sony's Happy Face Retouch. If
you're a more serious photographer who places higher priority on IQ,
look elsewhere.
Click to expand...
i think people have the right to get better noweday's if it comes to
image quality, that is what i'm talking about not gimmicks in that
regard i prefer the oldies.

if gimmicks work as promised then i would love it.
Member said:
My 2 cents

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/843/
Click to expand...
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  • living in harmony with nature and other beings...will create an
better world for all * marti58 -2006

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marti58/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/worldwidefriendship/
Click to expand...
--
  • living in harmony with nature and other beings...will create an better world for all * marti58 -2006
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marti58/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/worldwidefriendship/
 
 
843 said:
  • Diffraction normally appears at f/11 in DSLRs, but given the tiny
sensor in HX1, it may appear at f/5.6. Regardless, f/8 is the norm
for landscape photography, and the smearing in the samples is due to
NR, not diffraction.
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With both my superzooms, diffraction becomes indeed visible above F5 and at F8 it really softens the output. Reason for me to avoid it 99% of the time.

That said, what we see in the HX1 F8 samples is a combination of the diffraction that softens the output and due to the lower micro contrast, the NR has an extra smoothing effect to make matters worse.
 
the fact is that f:8 samples should not be taken into consideration.
F:8 samples are made only to trash a compacts quality
Especially in these samples there was absolutely no gain from f:8
Only loss
 


this is diffraction on sony h50
f:2,8 left and f:8 right
of course its different light, sun etc

but the result is as poor in case some believe that h50 had no problem with diffraction

f:8 samples only can trash your compacts image quality
 
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