The K20D weighs as much as the full frame 5D, and you want it to be even heavier?
K20D * 1.5 would weigh almost as much as a 4x5 field camera.
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K20D * 1.5 would weigh almost as much as a 4x5 field camera.
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noser
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I was thinking more of the weight of the glass... Longer focal lengths @ FF start to get really heavy and take up lots of space. I don't know how the weights of the bodies compares. I find a heavy body really lends stability when your pulse is up from going up the side of a mountain. Of course if I only took a P&S, my pack would be lighter, and I wouldn't have to work as hard ....
If you want a fun trick, add weight by screwing something heavy into the tripod socket. It takes all the higher frequency shake out.
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noser
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Thx ... I usually skip the 'mine is bigger than yours' conversations, which is what the whole FF thing usually degenerates into.
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noser
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I'm more of this kind of mindset:
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/63371/You-have-failed-me-for-the-last-time
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noser wrote:
Hi Noel,
it USED to be less expensive ;D I had a Pentax user, from Calgary, today
who (I believe) I traumatised when I mentioned the price increase
Then I had a second (2nd) Pentax user in the store today and
I was able to traumatise him twice .....he asked about both the 12-24 and
the 50-135 ... a bit mean, perhaps, but when I took a pic of him in
the shop, with the DA 50-135, and using just available light ....he was
quite happy at how sharp his eye was
Not as fast as his FA 50/1.4 but
a tad quicker focussing (his words) and much more convenient (zoom
wise). I know what, if anything, he might purchase but he definitely
was impressed with the 50-135
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Hi Noel,
I just pull out my 50-135 and tell them it's smaller and equally as sharp and
it USED to be less expensive ;D I had a Pentax user, from Calgary, today
who (I believe) I traumatised when I mentioned the price increase
Then I had a second (2nd) Pentax user in the store today
and I was able to traumatise him twice .....he asked about both the 12-24 and
the 50-135
... a bit mean, perhaps, but when I took a pic of him in the shop, with the DA 50-135, and using just available light ....he was
quite happy at how sharp his eye was
Not as fast as his FA 50/1.4 but a tad quicker focussing (his words) and much more convenient (zoom
wise). I know what, if anything, he might purchase but he definitely
was impressed with the 50-135
Cheers,
jack
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noser wrote:
Hi Noel,
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/32161/rest-assured and then, at the end,
tossing in the: http://www.entertonement.com/clips/63371/You-have-failed-me-for-the-last-tim
;D
Jack
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Hi Noel,
Odd, I kind of took you as this kind of person:
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/32161/rest-assured and then, at the end,
tossing in the: http://www.entertonement.com/clips/63371/You-have-failed-me-for-the-last-tim
;D
Jack
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mattchoi
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Official response from Pentax Canada:
Thank you for your email regarding our recent price changes.
For the last several months, we, like other companies, have been affected by the fluctuating exchange rate of the Canadian Dollar vs. the US Dollar and the Japanese Yen. Some of our competitors raised their prices earlier in the year to reflect these fluctuations but we strived to hold our prices for as long as possible. Unfortunately, because of the currency fluctuations as well as price increases that we have incurred from our factory, we had no choice but to increase the price on some of our products on April 1st. Pricing of some items were affected more than others. The price changes reflect not only changes due to currency fluctuations but also reflect the true cost of production for each individual item. The price changes were in no way meant to penalize PENTAX users but reflect PENTAX Canada Inc.'s true cost of the product in the current market conditions. Should the Canadian Dollar strengthen through 2009, we will endeavor to pass these savings on to our customers.
Even with the recent price increases, we feel that many of our products still offer a price advantage compared to competitor products with similar features.
We thank you for your continued support of our products.
Sincerely,
Pentax Customer Service Team
Does it mean that the Pentax lenses we own have been heavily discounted by Pentax Canada in the past?
Thank you for your email regarding our recent price changes.
For the last several months, we, like other companies, have been affected by the fluctuating exchange rate of the Canadian Dollar vs. the US Dollar and the Japanese Yen. Some of our competitors raised their prices earlier in the year to reflect these fluctuations but we strived to hold our prices for as long as possible. Unfortunately, because of the currency fluctuations as well as price increases that we have incurred from our factory, we had no choice but to increase the price on some of our products on April 1st. Pricing of some items were affected more than others. The price changes reflect not only changes due to currency fluctuations but also reflect the true cost of production for each individual item. The price changes were in no way meant to penalize PENTAX users but reflect PENTAX Canada Inc.'s true cost of the product in the current market conditions. Should the Canadian Dollar strengthen through 2009, we will endeavor to pass these savings on to our customers.
Even with the recent price increases, we feel that many of our products still offer a price advantage compared to competitor products with similar features.
We thank you for your continued support of our products.
Sincerely,
Pentax Customer Service Team
Does it mean that the Pentax lenses we own have been heavily discounted by Pentax Canada in the past?
Rubbish. OK almost everyone has increased prices but Pentax has basically doubled some of the range.
If the 50-135 is worth $1700 I am kermet the frog.
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If the 50-135 is worth $1700 I am kermet the frog.
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Wallace Ross
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I'm kidding I actually agree with you to a degree, however my sense of what the lens is worth is affected by the price I paid previously, what Pentax needs to do is create a feature in the next DSLR that wipes our memories clear, then the new bench mark will be set.
P.S the Tokina 50-135mm f2.8 AT-X 535 Pro DX for Nikon appears to still be about $900 so you could get the Nikon D90 thrown in the deal for a total of about $1900. This situation cannot continue for Pentax unless they don't plan on acquiring any new customers.
OK - so the DA* 50-135 is now $1799 at Henry's in Canada. The same lens is retailing at B&H in the US for $749. I can get this lens shipped to me for about $780 US, which translates to about $960 Canadian, depending on the exchange rate of the day. Anyone know if the US prices are going up anytime soon, or will Pentax just lose all their Canadian business to US retailers?
ManuH
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Hi Kermet!
Price have often nothing to do with the actual cost. But the thing is it's psychologically difficult to accept a price when the initial price has been set much lower. Nobody seems to complain about the Canikon 70-200/2.8 at around 1600$ although Sigma and Tamron are able to produce similar lenses for half the price.
Similarly I always wondered why primes cost as much if not more than zooms when they are built with much less material. Compare for example the 77/1.8 or 31/1.8 and the 50-135/2.8.
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Oh come on, Canon's 2.8 is an outstandign lens, the sigma and Tamron are great for the price but hardly world beaters in comparison.
The 31 and 77 are both gourmet lenses.
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The 31 and 77 are both gourmet lenses.
--Hi Kermet!
Price have often nothing to do with the actual cost. But the thing is
it's psychologically difficult to accept a price when the initial
price has been set much lower. Nobody seems to complain about the
Canikon 70-200/2.8 at around 1600$ although Sigma and Tamron are able
to produce similar lenses for half the price.
Similarly I always wondered why primes cost as much if not more than
zooms when they are built with much less material. Compare for
example the 77/1.8 or 31/1.8 and the 50-135/2.8.
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jeffster_ca
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Manu, you bring up a good post. Sometimes manufacturers will subsidise sales at the retail level with internal Co-op programs through distribution & retail. We do see camera equipment on sale once in a while as promotions. My company does this for brand market share.
Pentax I have noticed passed on deals to retailers as some of the discounts would be too high for a retailer to absorb. The 100% increase in some lenses due to exceptional quality and Pentax having this as a loss leader I believe is incorrect.
Outright gouging when the lens jumps what 100%? Pentax retarded marketing has moved operations to Canada and think we Cannuks will pay anything. Unfortunately, they are about ot find out that sales on the expensive lenses will not increase as I do not see them as good value with a price increase.
From what I have seen here from owners of these DA* lenses, the photographs are outstanding. Then again there are some fabulous photographers here that could produce excellent photographs from any camera. I will wait for any lens purchase or maybe I willl just start a Pentax Body Buying Addiction : - )
ManuH
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Kermit, the hint is the price of the Canon 70-200/2.8 IS vs non-IS. Do you think it costs that much to implement IS?
And not the 50-135? We probably would be very surprised by the actual cost of building these lenses.
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Alfisti wrote:
Hi Al,
.... there AF 200-500 lens went up an
astounding $440 and Tamron 70-200/2.8 lens went uo in price just
a hair under $400 and a number of other lenses went up over a $100
The Tokina lenses went up approximately $120 across the board
If I didn't have it (already), would I
pay an additional $640 for the lens .......... in all seriousness, I really don't
know. Kind of like, Nikon and Canon users comparing their 17-55/2.8 lenses
which run around the $1450 to $1550 to the Tamron 17-50/2.8 with runs
around the $550 mark ? Are the name brand lenses worth (approximately)
$1,000 more ???
1) http://www.entertonement.com/clips/54001/Bud-weis-er-Frogs
or
2) http://www.entertonement.com/clips/54002/Bud-weis-er-Frogs-Road-Kill
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Hi Al,
Not necessarily
Not "almost" everyone ....... just everyone ;(
Yes, but so has Tamron
.... there AF 200-500 lens went up an astounding $440 and Tamron 70-200/2.8 lens went uo in price just
a hair under $400 and a number of other lenses went up over a $100
The Tokina lenses went up approximately $120 across the board
It is, indeed, a very sharp lens
If I didn't have it (already), would Ipay an additional $640 for the lens .......... in all seriousness, I really don't
know. Kind of like, Nikon and Canon users comparing their 17-55/2.8 lenses
which run around the $1450 to $1550 to the Tamron 17-50/2.8 with runs
around the $550 mark ? Are the name brand lenses worth (approximately)
$1,000 more ???
For this you have a choice:
1) http://www.entertonement.com/clips/54001/Bud-weis-er-Frogs
or
2) http://www.entertonement.com/clips/54002/Bud-weis-er-Frogs-Road-Kill
;D
Jack
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http://www.entertonement.com/clips/2274/People/Human/Noises-Rare-to-Well-done/Frog-interpretation
I just copied it ........ so figured I might as well paste it
Also, you both make good points ..... very similar when Pentax first came
out with their FA 80-200/2.8 for around $2800 or, if memory serves, the price
of (at least) a Nikon F90(X) and a Nikkor AF 80-200/2.8 together
Cheers,
Jack
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I just copied it ........ so figured I might as well paste it
Also, you both make good points ..... very similar when Pentax first came
out with their FA 80-200/2.8 for around $2800 or, if memory serves, the price
of (at least) a Nikon F90(X) and a Nikkor AF 80-200/2.8 together
Cheers,
Jack
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Hi Manu,
Geez, forget the price of the lens ... try the price of a Psychologist or a
Psychiatrist
Nope, more around the area of $ 2100 (give or take, a few bob)
Pretty darn close ....and, even with their price increaes, they are now,
considerably, cheaper than the DA 50-135 ;(
Both the primes are/were less than the DA 50-135/2.8 and the FA 31/1.8
was much closer to the zoom then was the FA 77 and now the 50-135 is
much more expensive then the FA 31 and the FA 77
Cheers,
Jack
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Hi ManuH,
I am torn about this because as much as I would like to know (the cost
of building the lenses) ..... realistically, I don't think I really want to know
Cheers,
Jack
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Hi Jeff,
Ain't that the truth
Ditto ...
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/50718/Woo-hoo
;D
Jack
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Jack Simpson wrote:
I put in an order, before the price increase, hoping to get some
gear at the old prices and got lucky on the following items:
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I put in an order, before the price increase, hoping to get some
gear at the old prices and got lucky on the following items:
There ya go lads ..... read 'em and (maybe not) weep (so much) ....
--Cheers,
Jack
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