Canon or Nikon! Who should I commit to and why??

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Like many others I've been struggling for some time trying to decide between the D100 and the D60. After much analysis I finally realized I was asking the wrong question. I spent all my time trying to determine which camera is better when what really matters is which company offers the better line-up of lenses (value/quality) today and which company you trust more long term to keep pace. Here's my reasoning:

Both the D60 and the D100 are excellent with strengths and weaknesses. But the reality is both will be outdated within 12-18 months. Furthermore while neither camera is cheap, overtime I'll spend much more on lenses than I will on the camera itself. And once I buy all those lenses (which hopefully won't become outdated nearly as fast) I'm committed to that company long term. So if there next generation of cameras falls way behind I'm stuck.

So my question is simple, which company should I choose both today and with the future in mind and why??? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Mike
 
Hi Mike...I feel your pain. I have already commited to the D100 but that aside, you might also consider that each company have bet a lot of bucks on these digital SLRs. One may be up for 9 months then the other pass them up. You might give a little more consideration to Nikon as you would also get the benefit of later switching to Fuji, if they hit a big one. You can always buy a new body and get something for your old one. Prices in the future are sure to be much less. Just a thought.
Like many others I've been struggling for some time trying to
decide between the D100 and the D60. After much analysis I finally
realized I was asking the wrong question. I spent all my time
trying to determine which camera is better when what really matters
is which company offers the better line-up of lenses
(value/quality) today and which company you trust more long term to
keep pace. Here's my reasoning:

Both the D60 and the D100 are excellent with strengths and
weaknesses. But the reality is both will be outdated within 12-18
months. Furthermore while neither camera is cheap, overtime I'll
spend much more on lenses than I will on the camera itself. And
once I buy all those lenses (which hopefully won't become outdated
nearly as fast) I'm committed to that company long term. So if
there next generation of cameras falls way behind I'm stuck.

So my question is simple, which company should I choose both today
and with the future in mind and why??? Any feedback will be greatly
appreciated.

Mike
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LSandersSr
 
Fuji S2 for better out of camera images. Better Flash system.
D100 for better RAW -> Post Processing system.

D60 if you've had too much to drink and can't make a coherent decision...(just kidding) :-) Canon has been playing catch up to Nikon in the Digial arena for awhile now, and my bet is that they will continue to do so.

Kevin R.
Like many others I've been struggling for some time trying to
decide between the D100 and the D60. After much analysis I finally
realized I was asking the wrong question. I spent all my time
trying to determine which camera is better when what really matters
is which company offers the better line-up of lenses
(value/quality) today and which company you trust more long term to
keep pace. Here's my reasoning:

Both the D60 and the D100 are excellent with strengths and
weaknesses. But the reality is both will be outdated within 12-18
months. Furthermore while neither camera is cheap, overtime I'll
spend much more on lenses than I will on the camera itself. And
once I buy all those lenses (which hopefully won't become outdated
nearly as fast) I'm committed to that company long term. So if
there next generation of cameras falls way behind I'm stuck.

So my question is simple, which company should I choose both today
and with the future in mind and why??? Any feedback will be greatly
appreciated.

Mike
--
LSandersSr
 
Kevin...nicely summed up in the S2 vs. D100 debate. Each photographer will have to decide what their needs are and the camera to best meet those needs. Myself..I don't have the time to spend with post-processing. BTW...how do you like the S2?? Positives/Weaknesses for you? Have you done any type of review of the camera yet? I like your common sense approach to evaluating a camera and I value your posts/opinions...
Fuji S2 for better out of camera images. Better Flash system.
D100 for better RAW -> Post Processing system.

Kevin R.
 
Canon playing catch up?

Could you explain that? Who makes the sensor in the D100?
Kevin R.
Like many others I've been struggling for some time trying to
decide between the D100 and the D60. After much analysis I finally
realized I was asking the wrong question. I spent all my time
trying to determine which camera is better when what really matters
is which company offers the better line-up of lenses
(value/quality) today and which company you trust more long term to
keep pace. Here's my reasoning:

Both the D60 and the D100 are excellent with strengths and
weaknesses. But the reality is both will be outdated within 12-18
months. Furthermore while neither camera is cheap, overtime I'll
spend much more on lenses than I will on the camera itself. And
once I buy all those lenses (which hopefully won't become outdated
nearly as fast) I'm committed to that company long term. So if
there next generation of cameras falls way behind I'm stuck.

So my question is simple, which company should I choose both today
and with the future in mind and why??? Any feedback will be greatly
appreciated.

Mike
--
LSandersSr
--
Simon
my homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~sand/
 
i just got my d100 yesterday and started playing with it today, and i like it a lot!!!the first pictures i took were sharp and clear. i'd reccomend the d100
 
I have been using both Canon and Nikon for 2 years, before that strictly nikon for 15 years.

I own the D30, D60, D1x, and D1h. Since I have a lot of lenses for both brands already, I may keep buying Nikon, but probably not the D100.

if you do not have any nikon glass, do your self a big favor and get the D60. Better camera AND canon has a better lens line, flash line, and better customer service with get this, regular firmware upgrades!

I was disappointed with the 1D, but the D60 gets two thumbs up from me : )

If you have a lot invested in nikon glass, I would consider the S2, D1X, or D1H, or even the orig D1 before the D100. Not that the D100 is that bad, but you just get more camera from the others.

No brand loyalty here Mike, I just call it like I see it. You are buying in to a complete camera system, and IMHO, canon leads at this time where it counts most.

Regards,
Jim K
Like many others I've been struggling for some time trying to
decide between the D100 and the D60. After much analysis I finally
realized I was asking the wrong question. I spent all my time
trying to determine which camera is better when what really matters
is which company offers the better line-up of lenses
(value/quality) today and which company you trust more long term to
keep pace. Here's my reasoning:

Both the D60 and the D100 are excellent with strengths and
weaknesses. But the reality is both will be outdated within 12-18
months. Furthermore while neither camera is cheap, overtime I'll
spend much more on lenses than I will on the camera itself. And
once I buy all those lenses (which hopefully won't become outdated
nearly as fast) I'm committed to that company long term. So if
there next generation of cameras falls way behind I'm stuck.

So my question is simple, which company should I choose both today
and with the future in mind and why??? Any feedback will be greatly
appreciated.

Mike
--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
 
I think you are asking the right kind of questions, although I'm afraid you may not get too many useful answers, since Nikon v. Canon threads always seem to quickly degenerate into flame-throwing.

I don't think you can really make a decision based upon looking at a crystal ball view of which company will be "better" several years in the future. My own feeling is that I very much hope (and expect) that both companies will continue to make excellent and competitive products for years to come. Competition means better products and better prices.

While you can't predict the future, you can look at which company would better meet your needs if you were to buy an entire system today. For this you need to ask what your photographic needs are. What kind of shots are you taking and what is your budget likely to be for an entire system (albeit over time)? Try designing a complete system and look at reviews of individual items. Go to a few of the photography sites around the Web and ask questions like, "what is a good Nikon (or Canon) lens for portraits (or whatever your interest is). Go to a good pro camera store and ask the same kinds of questions. After you know a little, then ask yourself if you spent your entire budget today, which company would come closer to meeting your needs. For most people, I think it is a given that neither company will meet ALL their needs, particularly not at a price they can afford. For many people, myself included, it is probably true that over the long run you can be equally happy with either one. I know that both companies offer equipment that far exceeds anything I ever dreamed of having when I bought my first serious camera 25 years ago. After all, the real point is to take photos. So, make a choice and go with it.
 
Uh oh! I'm in trouble..I knew I shouldn't have written that! :) Just my opinion, but it seems the D1 was a very revolutionary camera / pricepoint. Then Nikon came out the the D1X and D1H. Kodak uses some Nikon Body technology I believe. Fuji does also. Now I know that Canon has the D30/D60 and 1D, but I believe Nikon has been ahead on the delivery of product and a little more prolific than Canon. No offense against Canon, I'm sure they are a fine company with fine products. Again, this is just my perception and opinion, of which I make MY decisions on of course.

Kevin R.
Could you explain that? Who makes the sensor in the D100?
Kevin R.
Like many others I've been struggling for some time trying to
decide between the D100 and the D60. After much analysis I finally
realized I was asking the wrong question. I spent all my time
trying to determine which camera is better when what really matters
is which company offers the better line-up of lenses
(value/quality) today and which company you trust more long term to
keep pace. Here's my reasoning:

Both the D60 and the D100 are excellent with strengths and
weaknesses. But the reality is both will be outdated within 12-18
months. Furthermore while neither camera is cheap, overtime I'll
spend much more on lenses than I will on the camera itself. And
once I buy all those lenses (which hopefully won't become outdated
nearly as fast) I'm committed to that company long term. So if
there next generation of cameras falls way behind I'm stuck.

So my question is simple, which company should I choose both today
and with the future in mind and why??? Any feedback will be greatly
appreciated.

Mike
--
LSandersSr
--
Simon
my homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~sand/
 
Hi John,

Thanks for your comments. Well, since you asked :)

I like the S2 a lot. I really liked my D100 also. I just sold it on ebay, shipped it out yesterday, and I'm already missing it. Nikon really did a good job on the build quality, it was just a pleasure to hold and use. The S2 is a little bit taller which makes it easier to hold with long/heavier lenses because there is more leverage with the palm of your hand.

I like the CF door on the S2 better. While holding the camera with one hand, I can pop the door open with my thumb and eject the card...one simple movement. I like the ISO readout on the back LCD, I've forgotten to switch back from ISO 800 to 200 on the D100 a couple of times, boy was I dissapointed in that. I really miss the blinking highlights on the S2. The image doesn't remain displayed long enough either after taking the shot.

I liked the fact that the S2 came with an AC adapter, I was also impressed that a "how to clean the ccd" brochure was the first thing I saw when I opened the box. Very refreshing after owning the D1X, where the manual says to send it in or risk voiding the warranty.

My kids have lots of electronics and I consequently, have lots of NiMH AA's. So the fact that the Fuji takes AA's is great for me. I always have some charged ones around. The jury is still out on the CR123A's. I've seen them for as cheap as $2.50...I'm just not sure how often those need to be changed yet.

There's lots of these little things between the D100 and S2 where one is nicer than the other. Really, what it comes down to though for me is "Final Output". In this category, the Fuji finally won me over. There were 4 things that really swung the pendulum to the S2. I had the D100 for 30 days and the Fuji for 1 week doing extensive shooting and printing. On screen results doesn't do much for me, so I printed a lot. Unlike in Phil's review, it's not about resolution charts and "level of detail". Both cameras do a great job there, especially printing mostly 8x10 like I do. The 4 things that made the difference for me were 1) I took a shot with flash of a pepsi bottle on one of those brown folding office depot type tables. Aperature pretty wide open...lowest ISO on each, the Pepsi bottle looked good on both, but in the shadows of the brown table in the more out of focus areas, was considerable noise in the D100 image. So much so that I retook them just to double check everything. That was just really bothersome.

The second is the flash accuracy. For whatever reason, the Fuji just seemed to do a better job on the flash. The same thing Phil experienced in his D100 and Fuji review. When I had the D1X, I was never really happy about having to carry around the SB28DX for flash. Therefore, I never really used flash much. Having an onboard flash, for the amount of flash I do, is really convenient. I'm using it more than ever now for fill flash stuff. Really great fun. So flash has become a more important part of the equation.

The 3rd thing is tone. I know they are both based on the same body, and probably uses the same metering / exposure technology, but the Fuji seems to have a little better Tone algorithm. At first I was concerned because the D100 has an "auto" vs. the Fuji that just has "STD". I was assuming that "Auto" on the D100 would be a more intelligent system based on image conditions as opposed to the Fuji that would apply a standard tone to everything. Through my testing though, the Fuji appeared to do a better job resulting in a better Out of Camera image tone. I may not be making sense here, but the images usually seemed better exposed, even though they were both using the same exposure. I could always match the Fuji's using NC3, but again, you get back to the post processing thing. I'm not opposed to post processing, I would just rather do less of it.

The 4th and last item is Color. Let me start off by saying that I'm not a fan of Fuji's super saturated whatever colors. They are a little too strong for my taste. They have 3 setting, Original, Standard, and High. I usually use Original. The others seem to strong. When you start looking at people and wondering if they have a sunburn, well then your colors are too strong :) But in ORG mode the colors are very nice. But more importantly, very subtle colors seem to be rendered better on the Fuji. This was really the final straw. I didn't notice it until I took some indoor shots of an off white wall with a light peach trim. On the D100, it all looked pretty which, on the Fuji it was perfect. There wasn't anything I could to in NC3 to match it. That did it for me.

I am disspointed with the software tools for the S2. I've been using Nikon Capture for awhile and really have the hang of it. I've been using Cumulus also and have all the EXIF info nail down. It's nice to be able to go into Cumulus and see all the shots I took with a specific Lens. Batch converting and stuff with Capture is just hard to beat. Enter Fuji, no RAW to JPG conversion option. You HAVE to go to TIF first, and 16bit TIF if you want Adobe color. Wait until you start playing with 80 files that take up 70mb each...oh what fun! I'm having good luck so far with Qimage Pro though. Mike Chaney recently put in a native Fuji S2 RAW to JPG converter with Adobe color without the need for Fuji's software. Lots of benefit on that one. Oh I can't forget one of the better features of the Fuji S2. The RAW files contains a 1400x900 (something like that) JPG. That means you can preview and edit for "keepers" without having to do a convert first that is typically required with the Nikon. It will also allow decent contact or thumbnail prints without having to convert first. Anyways, that's "my" review, FWIW. If you have any more specific questions, you can email me at [email protected].

Thanks,

Kevin R.
 
I've had BOTH systems over the years beginning in 1972 (1st SLR: Nikon F. 1st Canon: Canon F1). As the years have gone by I've had Nikon's F,F2AS,F3,F4,F5, D1x and Canon's F1 (old), F1(new), T90. As you mentioned, both systems have their advantages and disadvantages, but for the long haul, PRO use, in MY OPINION (no flames please) go with Nikon you'll be glad you did. I'm sure there are others out there who feel the same about Canon. In the final analysis, figure out which system YOU are COMFORTABLE with, and go with that system--forget what anyone tells you (including me) because YOU have to live with the choice. Good Luck with your decision and enjoy!!!
 
NickRecob,

I like the idea of Nikon (and compatible) glass as I have at least two body manufacturers to choose from, Nikon and Fuji.

Still, while I have little experience with lenses, I would note that anyone purchasing glass should keep in mind that the 1.5 crop/focal length multiplier is only transitory. I personally expect to see full frame bodies in 12 to 18 months from Canon and Nikon, and perhaps others as well.

tom
 

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