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Surveillance cameras protect us from official misconduct
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Clint Sanders
Senior Member
If you want to sue a police officer for his/her unprofessional behaviour, in the court it is your word against their word, your chance to prove anything is very slim.
That's why they don't want to be filmed as it can become a powerful tool against some wacko macho elements in the service.
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Charlie Self
Senior Member
Which is what that clown of a cop in Dallas who kept a guy from visiting his MIL while she was dying is probably agonizing over now. Hiis patrol car taped and voice recorded his entire burst of arrogant stupidity. It has turned out that the guy stopped was an NFL player, so it's big ones. One does have to wonder just how often this kind of situation is supressed because no one is well enough known to make a fuss.
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Charlie Self
Senior Member
See my earlier post. This kind of thing does go on, but we have no idea of the frequency, because most doesn't happen to public figures. What kind of public follow-up would there have been if the victim hadn't been an NFL running back? Especially if the victim had been black, as was this one.1. I agree with you; and, actually have not yet seen a government
installed "Surveillance Camera", that I haven't like or understood
the need for.
2. But, come on, you really believe there is generally: ..."abuse of
power by prosecutors and police and other government officials with
police or prosecutorial powers", in the USA,
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Charlie Self
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bikinchris
Forum Pro
Yet the other police are backing the policeman up and are angry at the chief for saying the officer was wrong.See my earlier post. This kind of thing does go on, but we have no1. I agree with you; and, actually have not yet seen a government
installed "Surveillance Camera", that I haven't like or understood
the need for.
2. But, come on, you really believe there is generally: ..."abuse of
power by prosecutors and police and other government officials with
police or prosecutorial powers", in the USA,
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idea of the frequency, because most doesn't happen to public figures.
What kind of public follow-up would there have been if the victim
hadn't been an NFL running back? Especially if the victim had been
black, as was this one.
When good policemen back up bad policemen, they all look bad. Not all police are bad, but it make sit look that way.
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Chris, Broussard, LA
Charlie Self
Senior Member
I hadn't heard that part. That's sad. All of the Texas guys who are on a woodworking forum I frequent felt that the cop should have been fired on the spot. These people are all strong supporters of government, but insist on good government, including police. This cop is not good.Yet the other police are backing the policeman up and are angry atSee my earlier post. This kind of thing does go on, but we have no1. I agree with you; and, actually have not yet seen a government
installed "Surveillance Camera", that I haven't like or understood
the need for.
2. But, come on, you really believe there is generally: ..."abuse of
power by prosecutors and police and other government officials with
police or prosecutorial powers", in the USA,
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idea of the frequency, because most doesn't happen to public figures.
What kind of public follow-up would there have been if the victim
hadn't been an NFL running back? Especially if the victim had been
black, as was this one.
the chief for saying the officer was wrong.
When good policemen back up bad policemen, they all look bad. Not all
police are bad, but it make sit look that way.
One of them presented the idea that when you spend long enough trainiing police as a military force, sooner or later, they'll start acting like the military, with power over all that surrounds them, but that's a midsjudgment of the military, too, IME.
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Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
1. I agree with you fully; and, as long as we have a country/world full of people that will break laws, or harm others, I am in favor of police doing all that they feel necessary in order to get the job done.
2. In my area, police are well liked, appreciated and fully supported; in fact, we (law abiding, non-criminal citizens, of course) just received letters, this past weekend, from our Sherif, inviting us to join the local "Sherif's Association" (become members).
3. Instead of constantly complaining about police, I do my part by keeping them informed of people/activities that seem to justify/need looking into.
4. And, at least "Big Brothers", try to be fair; one, even told me, he will not hesitate to throw his own mother-in-law, in jail, should he ever find sufficient reason to do so.
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
2. In my area, police are well liked, appreciated and fully supported; in fact, we (law abiding, non-criminal citizens, of course) just received letters, this past weekend, from our Sherif, inviting us to join the local "Sherif's Association" (become members).
3. Instead of constantly complaining about police, I do my part by keeping them informed of people/activities that seem to justify/need looking into.
4. And, at least "Big Brothers", try to be fair; one, even told me, he will not hesitate to throw his own mother-in-law, in jail, should he ever find sufficient reason to do so.
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
1 That's because the officer was clearly not "wrong"; probably, not the most compassionate of police officers, but we don't hire or train them in the art of feeling/acting compassionate. And, when, I saw the actual video of what occurred, the actions of the NFL Player and his Family, could have resulted in a far worst situation.
2. Someone, more intelligent than this NFL Player, would have been able to notify police in advance or at least while en-route to the hospital, and this almost tragic situation, could have been, prevented in the first place; and, had such notification been placed, this family, likely would have received free "police escort" to the hospital ----- and, yes, police, fire department, hospital, and other such vehicles are entitled to break the law by running through "traffic (red lights)", as needed, but they also have the training and proper identification/alarms on their vehicles, to more safely do so.
3. That police chief, obviously needs some refresher training/experience, on the streets, under fire, to better relate to situations his front line officers are involved with.
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
2. Someone, more intelligent than this NFL Player, would have been able to notify police in advance or at least while en-route to the hospital, and this almost tragic situation, could have been, prevented in the first place; and, had such notification been placed, this family, likely would have received free "police escort" to the hospital ----- and, yes, police, fire department, hospital, and other such vehicles are entitled to break the law by running through "traffic (red lights)", as needed, but they also have the training and proper identification/alarms on their vehicles, to more safely do so.
3. That police chief, obviously needs some refresher training/experience, on the streets, under fire, to better relate to situations his front line officers are involved with.
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
Yet the other police are backing the policeman up and are angry atSee my earlier post. This kind of thing does go on, but we have no1. I agree with you; and, actually have not yet seen a government
installed "Surveillance Camera", that I haven't like or understood
the need for.
2. But, come on, you really believe there is generally: ..."abuse of
power by prosecutors and police and other government officials with
police or prosecutorial powers", in the USA,
--
idea of the frequency, because most doesn't happen to public figures.
What kind of public follow-up would there have been if the victim
hadn't been an NFL running back? Especially if the victim had been
black, as was this one.
the chief for saying the officer was wrong.
When good policemen back up bad policemen, they all look bad. Not all
police are bad, but it make sit look that way.
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Chris, Broussard, LA
mamallama
Forum Pro
Really??? "All that THEY feel necessary"??? When did the police get the positions of judge and executioner?? You must be joking.
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Charlie Self
Senior Member
What's this "we"? You have a frog in your pocket?
Police officers trained to not feel compassion are all set to be fitted for jackboots.
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Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
bikinchris
Forum Pro
You mean the family begging and hospital workers coming outside and begging the policeman to let the man see his soon to be dead mother-in-law? Yeah sure.
All if would have taken is for the policeman to follow the guy into the hospital and write the stupid ticket.
I only wish that all red light runners were treat the same, but sadly the tens of thousands of daily red light runners in Texas get a free pass. And yes, I have driven in Texas often and the number of drivers who are threatening other people's life and property by agressive driving is amazing. More amazing is the lack of traffic enforcement.
I just hope that you never are in a similar situation. And moreso, I hope you never have to feel the pain this guy had to feel. Lack of feeling and empathy by police is what is at stake here. The police are here to protect us, not abuse us. The Police chief should be applauded for his actions. The police who defend this behavior should be ashamed.
The officer has publicly apologised for his behavior. He is a man who admits his mistakes.
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Chris, Broussard, LA
BRJR wrote:
"police escort" to the
"police escort" to the
Not true in all states, if any, I am on fire department and we are only "asking" for the right of way at red lights or stop signs.
A local convenience store where I briefly did a few hours a week, installed very high quality high tech surveillence systems .It did catch one member of staff serving his underage friends with alcohol and a couple of shop lifters but its main victory was the fact that it caught the manager who demanded its installation doing absolutely nothing for hours on end .When he fired a sub manager for being lazy (he wasnt ) ,the sub had collected all the dates and copied it as a safeguard .He sent it all to the actual owners of the shop chain and the shop manager was fired.Poetic justice .I have a fine video image of me chasing a shop lifter out of the shop shouting "stop thief " thus achieving a lifetime ambition .The better system was installed after this as the image was not clear .
Ken Phillips
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... 'cuz you are conveniently forgetting the admin before GWB, which was at least as corrupt, but had the ear of the press. Trust me, sexual dalliances were the least of that groups worries.
Power tends to corrupt ...
KP
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Power tends to corrupt ...
KP
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'The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.', H. L. Mencken
1. Well, this policeman, due to negative treatment by the Press and his police chief, has resigned; and, likely a lot of you are now happy.
2. Here's the link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news ; ylt=AmpCgAoP.yZjW5C2I6VUYNuH2bYF?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
2. Here's the link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news ; ylt=AmpCgAoP.yZjW5C2I6VUYNuH2bYF?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
blindfish
Well-known member
Know the officer well then or are you just trolling as usual?? You don't think his resignation has anything to do with how badly the video evidence reflects on him?
Mind you, I don't necessarily think he should have resigned - but should at least have learnt a valuable lesson: if people are going through red lights to get to a hospital... it's likely to mean something is very wrong.
The video is on Youtube... The officer's stupidity would be comical if the situation weren't so tragic.
Mind you, I don't necessarily think he should have resigned - but should at least have learnt a valuable lesson: if people are going through red lights to get to a hospital... it's likely to mean something is very wrong.
The video is on Youtube... The officer's stupidity would be comical if the situation weren't so tragic.
2. Here's the link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news ; ylt=AmpCgAoP.yZjW5C2I6VUYNuH2bYF?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns
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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)
fad
Forum Pro
If anyone has any lingering doubt about the extent of prosecutorial misconduct, this article should them to rest. A sitting US Senator, defended by distinguished attorneys, was railroaded and convicted by the so-called Public Integrity Section
From the front page of the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/us/politics/02stevens.html?_r=1&ref=politics
The collapse of the Stevens case was a profound embarrassment for the Justice Department, and it raised troubling issues about the integrity of the actions of prosecutors who wield enormous power over people they investigate.
Mr. Holder, himself a former prosecutor and judge, noted that the department’s Office of Professional Responsibility was conducting a review of the prosecutors’ conduct, raising the possibility that some of those who tried Mr. Stevens on ethics charges could themselves now face ethics charges.
The application to throw out the conviction of Mr. Stevens will almost certainly be ratified by the court at a hearing scheduled for next Tuesday. But it will do nothing to undo the loss of his Senate seat
Mr. Stevens’s lawyers, Brendan Sullivan and Robert Cary, welcomed the decision in a statement and praised Mr. Holder as “a pillar of integrity.” They said the case was a warning to everyone that “any citizen can be convicted if prosecutors are hellbent on ignoring the Constitution.”
Judge Sullivan recently ordered that some of the government lawyers involved be held in contempt of court, including the two top officials of the Public Integrity Section.
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Frank
http://www.sidewalkshadows.com
From the front page of the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/us/politics/02stevens.html?_r=1&ref=politics
The collapse of the Stevens case was a profound embarrassment for the Justice Department, and it raised troubling issues about the integrity of the actions of prosecutors who wield enormous power over people they investigate.
Mr. Holder, himself a former prosecutor and judge, noted that the department’s Office of Professional Responsibility was conducting a review of the prosecutors’ conduct, raising the possibility that some of those who tried Mr. Stevens on ethics charges could themselves now face ethics charges.
The application to throw out the conviction of Mr. Stevens will almost certainly be ratified by the court at a hearing scheduled for next Tuesday. But it will do nothing to undo the loss of his Senate seat
Mr. Stevens’s lawyers, Brendan Sullivan and Robert Cary, welcomed the decision in a statement and praised Mr. Holder as “a pillar of integrity.” They said the case was a warning to everyone that “any citizen can be convicted if prosecutors are hellbent on ignoring the Constitution.”
Judge Sullivan recently ordered that some of the government lawyers involved be held in contempt of court, including the two top officials of the Public Integrity Section.
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Frank
http://www.sidewalkshadows.com
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