The biggest problem with Samsung's NX system right now

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...is not the m4/3 system. I see the world "Four Third" mentioned one too many times in the Samsung/Dpreview interview.

In case they are reading this forum, let me remind them. The problem is they can't get Pentax to go alone with their plan, or to put it in another way, they didn't include Pentax in their original plan. Unlike m4/3, Panasonic got Olympus to work with the m4/3 road map. That's very important.

If you take a look at the new Olympus bodies, they are taking the higher end route and stop releasing entry level DSLR body now. There is no successer to the E420. Why, becuase O is going to make m4/3 body to replace it.

OTOH, if you take a look at the Pentax's release schedule, they have many offering that competes directly with the NX system. K-M is small enough as it is, and Pentax suit has said they will release a K20D replacement that is smaller than K20D. You add that to the complete lineup of limited lenses. They are a very attractive alternative to the NX system.

I suggest Samsung work very very very hard on competibility with lenses from other mounts, it is the only way to survive as I see it. If they can't make the aperture control competible with the K mount, they shouldn't even bother with a K mount adapter, as that would be pointless. They should make the NX mount pin competible with the EF mount, as least somebody in China will make a working NX-> EF mount adapter. Also make an adapter that has focus mechanism in it, like the Pentax 1.7X AF teleconverter. That way you can AF with a manual lens. Oh make a KA version and a AI-S version of this adapter. I am sure these two mounts are not covered by patent anymore.

Don't take the easy way out and make a "standard" pancake lens, make something wider than the Panasonic 20mm pancake.

That's all I have for now.
 
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I don´t agree...

Samsung make good compact cameras, look the NV, HZ series and the Pro-815...

I think the GX20 is more a Samsung design than Pentax.
 
I don´t agree...

Samsung make good compact cameras, look the NV, HZ series and the
Pro-815...

I think the GX20 is more a Samsung design than Pentax.
Yes the grip is Samsung's own design. Now what were you saying?
 
Samsung can to design and keep a new line or camera serie alone, it doesn´t need Pentax for this.

When they designed the K10D I read that Pentax/Samsung investment was about 90/10% and for GX20 was 50/50% and Samsung made the integration for electronic and made the sensor to both of them.

I don´t know how difficult would be make a EVIL camera, but I think that Samsung can to make it alone.
 
The Samsung NX series has a huge advantage over the m4/3s: An APS-C sized sensor. The APS-C sized sensor means that independent lens producers like Sigma will be able to make NX-versions of their all their APS-C-lenses almost effortlessly. These lenses will be just as bulky as current lenses for Pentax, Canon and Nikon, but smaller lenses will eventually appear once the NX (and other EVILs) have gotten enough momentum. I hope they make descent adapters for Pentax, Canon, Nikon, M42 etc, but a K-mount adapter with auto-focus motor is unlikely.
 
Pentax claims to be working on something new to fit into the K20D price point. I should be smaller with better live view. They are also hinting at changes in the lens line up to make the lenses work better for the live view type AF. It will be interesting to see what develops.

The problem with adapters is that the current lenses for DSLR's are not designed to work that well with the live view type contrast AF.

The KM / K2000 is a nice small body. It can, sort of fit in with the hybrids but it is still a little bigger. The upside is that it will work with all current and past PK mount lenses. The downside is that it does not have live view. IMHO, that is not an issue. The ability to use all the small primes with very fast and accurate AF in a fairly small and inexpensive package does add considerable value to it.

The new hybrids will be interesting. They are pretty much their own systems. m4/3 really is not compatible with the regular 4/3 lenses due to changes in AF. The same will be true for the NX.

Things are getting interesting!
 
If anything they would be slightly more bulky. These lenses were after all designed to focus at a certain distance. The easiest solution would be to fit them with permanent extension tubes

The size difference hasn't stopped Sigma from porting its lenses to 4:3. As I understand the version of the 50mm f1.4 for that system still uses optics that can cover a FF sensor!
The Samsung NX series has a huge advantage over the m4/3s: An APS-C
sized sensor. The APS-C sized sensor means that independent lens
producers like Sigma will be able to make NX-versions of their all
their APS-C-lenses almost effortlessly. These lenses will be just as
bulky as current lenses for Pentax, Canon and Nikon, but smaller
lenses will eventually appear once the NX (and other EVILs) have
gotten enough momentum. I hope they make descent adapters for
Pentax, Canon, Nikon, M42 etc, but a K-mount adapter with auto-focus
motor is unlikely.
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If anything they would be slightly more bulky. These lenses were
after all designed to focus at a certain distance. The easiest
solution would be to fit them with permanent extension tubes
I agree. The first lenses, where only the mount is changed, will be slightly more bulky.
The size difference hasn't stopped Sigma from porting its lenses to
4:3. As I understand the version of the 50mm f1.4 for that system
still uses optics that can cover a FF sensor!
Yes, that is just silly. I guess they would have offered a lot more lenses for Olympus and Panasonic 4/3s and m4/3s if they had chosen a sensor size similar to Nikon, Pentax, Sony, Canon etc.
 
ALL Samsung lenses for P&S cameras are from parts of Schneider-Kreuznach.
1. Lenses which assembled in Korea from parts of Schneider-Kreuznach.
2. Lenses which assembled outside of Korea at
Schneider-Kreuznach's plants.

I don't see any problems at all. Sigma denies that they will make lenses for Samsung, but Schneider can make optical formulas for new lenses and Samsung can make lenses at own plants from Hoya glass.

And there are several manufacturers of lenses in Korea.
 
Yes, that is just silly. I guess they would have offered a lot more
lenses for Olympus and Panasonic 4/3s and m4/3s if they had chosen a
sensor size similar to Nikon, Pentax, Sony, Canon etc.
I could be wrong, but believe the limited support has more to do with licensing than anything else.

With most mounts Sigma could just reverse engineer the lens protocols. In software terms that means you have one group of programmers record note the various inputs and outputs, and then hand over those notes to an entirely separate group which proceeds to make a system that responds in the same way.

The downside to RE is that it an occasional creates compatibility issues. At least for Nikon users.

As I understand Olympus holds numerous patents for 4:3. These protect against reverse engineering. Which means the only way to make lenses for the system is by joining the Four Thirds consortium, as Sigma has, and satisfy all royalties involved. Presumably including ones on individual lenses. Because of this they may be reluctant to release anything unless they were fairly certain it would sell in large enough quantities to overcome the additional costs involved.
 
It is slightly smaller than the KM / K2000. What I noticed is that it has issues handling a larger latitude of light, sort of like a point and shoot. If one is willing to put up with a slightly larger body and some added weight, the KM is a better camera. Now, Pentax is making a statement by producing the KM in Leica Safari olive.

The NX will use a sensor like the Pentax/Samsung 14.7 MP. This will produce a far better IQ than will m4/3. This will be the hybrid to get.
 
Worth noting is that Samsung is open to other makers of lenses and cameras for their new lens mount. Of course this is a sort of desperate move, they have to be open to survive. A new lens mount without backing up by others than one maker, does not win customers.

And yes, the Pentax K-m is a highly attractive product - but it is not live view.

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I hope Tamron will make a NX version of this one:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09032401tamron60macro.asp
Worth noting is that Samsung is open to other makers of lenses and
cameras for their new lens mount. Of course this is a sort of
desperate move, they have to be open to survive. A new lens mount
without backing up by others than one maker, does not win customers.

And yes, the Pentax K-m is a highly attractive product - but it is
not live view.

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me too a huge fan of Tamron! But with one of the good Tamron lenses,
it'd be nice to have:

1) in-body IS
2) good implementation of Live-view including a fully articulated LCD

There isn't one single system that allows all these things comined
together for now..
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The tech that Tamron (and other 3rd-party) use for IS will preclude seeing those lenses in a PK mount - you cannot put a stabilized lens on a camera body using its own internal stabilization.

The older generation of lenses simply needs the appropriate mount and communications for exposure, etc..

Below link is some tech info on the modern IS lenses (Tamron included). The profit margin on these lenses is also higher - and with (C) and (N) controlling over 80 percent of the DSLR market, a 3rd-party lens producer is going to target their offerings to that 80 percent; not the PK 6-percent share.

You can also get used to the fact that video/movie mode will need stabilized lenses; not stabilized bodies. The new Panasonic GH1 (and, one assumes, the NX) will therefore depend on stabilized lenses.

http://www.popphoto.com/Reviews/Lenses/The-New-Blur-Busters

" ... Meanwhile Tokina, the third major independent lens maker, so far without a stabilized offering, is making its move. Sources within Tokina confirm that the company is developing several vibration-controlled mid-to-long tele zooms. ... "

If a buyer wants Live View, the articulated screen is the way to go - but since Pentax needs a CMOS sensor for LV, we'll have to wait for the upcoming model to see just what Pentax plans for their future. The legacy PK people seem not to require LV (for that matter, neither do I - but I'd like to have it available).
 
me too a huge fan of Tamron! But with one of the good Tamron lenses,
it'd be nice to have:

1) in-body IS
2) good implementation of Live-view including a fully articulated LCD

There isn't one single system that allows all these things comined
together for now..
sony a300/350. almost
Of course better than nothing, but the implementations of live view and movable screen in these two cams leave a lot to be desired.
 
me too a huge fan of Tamron! But with one of the good Tamron lenses,
it'd be nice to have:

1) in-body IS
2) good implementation of Live-view including a fully articulated LCD

There isn't one single system that allows all these things comined
together for now..
===========
You can also get used to the fact that video/movie mode will need
stabilized lenses; not stabilized bodies. The new Panasonic GH1
(and, one assumes, the NX) will therefore depend on stabilized lenses.
I would rather be without stabilization in movie mode, than be without it in many focal lengths & lenses.
 

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