why are these diagonal lines on my pic.

I'm going to put it on the filter. Lose it.
The effect in your pic is very similar to what this user got:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=24019929
and see
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=24049276
Hi All,

Does any one of you encountered this problem of diagonal lines in the
picture. My set up is CANON 50D, 100-400L IS USM+ MARUMI UV FILTER..

Thanks in advance.
Prakash Subbanna

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prakash_subbanna/3328877644/sizes/o/
 
Hi All,

Does any one of you encountered this problem of diagonal lines in the
picture. My set up is CANON 50D, 100-400L IS USM+ MARUMI UV FILTER..

Thanks in advance.
Prakash Subbanna

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prakash_subbanna/3328877644/sizes/o/
Hi Lemming
You are probably right - some similarities really!

If it is not the filter, it can be caused by some radio wave interference - i saw diagonal lines in images that were taken very close to a strong radio device. Interference lines are very straight - i am not sure if the lines are slightly curved in this sample.

Strange that 100-400 has such problems with filters - perhaps it is some light wave interference caused by different thickness of lens coatings that just happen to cause problems. really bad luck !

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Kari
SLR photography for 40 years
60°15´N 24°03´ E
 
Weird, I just replied to this thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=31284615

What you're seeing is exactly what I got on my 40D. Last year on a trip to Paris I had diagonal lines across on my night-time images at the Eiffel Tower. Back home I tried everything I could think of to reproduce the problem, but simply couldn't. It must have been some sort of interference in that area - something that happened to be at exactly the right frequency to upset the 40D.
 
I should add that I was shooting with a 10-20mm lens with a fairly small aperture, so the whole images was in focus.
 
I appreciate the observations you guys have made...Let me tell the shooting conditions...The pic. was shot in a 28sq.km Bird sanctuary devoid of any sort of Electrical source or power transmission towers..

Can it be attributed to the a certain number of aperture blades, other wise it should be the filter. I would like to add, not all pic have these diagonal line...
Thanks
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prakash subbanna
 
It doesn't happen all the time, and I've actually been considering a post in this forum to ask about it. In this photo, look along the top, along the fence in the background, and you'll see them. I've never gotten them with any other lens, but I've gotten it using both my Rebel XT and now on my 50D. Obviously, it's not the camera then, right?



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KathyN
 
it's funny that it's only noticeable in the bokeh and not in the sharp part of the image. I don't know but I would have thought electrical interference wouldn't distinguish.

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Spence
50D, Canon 17-55mm, Sigma 105mm, Helios 58mm F2
 
You are correct, if it were RF interference it would appear everywhere in the image.

I'm guessing that this could be some sort of morier interference caused by either slight polarization or the missfortune of hitting a "sweet spot" where the background is miss focused but ghosted onto the sensor. Does it happen if you focus on something a little closer or farther away?

It could also be a ghosting pattern from a tempered glass filter. Ever look through your side or back car windows with polarized sunglasses? Same effect.
 
It looks like you have some major sharpening going on in that picture. Does it look like this right out of the camera? Do you have the sharpening cranked the whole way up in the camera? It may just be that it's heavily compressed for JPEG

Is this a small crop of a larger picture?
 
The running dog image was taken about a third of a mile from the nearest road and with no cell phone nearby. This next one was taken on a mountain top in the Galapagos Islands. Can't imagine there would be radio interference there.



Yes, it's on the original RAW image. But I'm wondering if there could be some kind of slight polarization going on. I did have a filter on the lens, though not a polarizer. I took other images on both occasions; some had it, and some didn't. Also, I just realized that in both cases, the lens was racked out to maximum focal length. I'll bet your were as well.........were they?? That would certainly be interesting........I think I will go out this weekend and try to get to the bottom of it.
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KathyN
 
Did you or anyone near you have a cell phone with them? Just because you're in a "dead zone" doesn't mean that someone doesn't have a phone with them anyhow :)

When you're far from a cell site, the phones transmit at full power when "searching for service", which they do automatically and intermittently.

You'll notice that your cell phone's battery dies far more rapidly when you're in an area with no service or very weak service than when you're in an area with good coverage. So if you know there's no service, it makes sense to just switch the phone off.

Anyhow, the phones adjust their transmit power in an intelligent way to save battery power. They use the least power when they have the best RF path between them and a cell site.

So when you are in a remote area with bad or zero cell service, or in an area that's shielded so that you have a bad signal (no "bars"), that's when the phone really cranks up the transmitter power to compensate for the poor signal path.

I've got no idea if that's what's actually causing these diagonal lines or not. It's just one thought.

Some lenses were known for their ability to cause that type of problems in photos when shooting in burst mode with AI-Servo focusing because the AF motor would be running at the same time as the sensor was being "read out".

I'm not sure if that problem has been fixed by adding some power supply filtering or regulation in newer bodies or if it's still an issue.

What was the state of charge of the camera battery when this happened? Were you using burst mode? AI-Servo focusing? What lens? So many variables :)

There are a lot of things that come to mind, but it'd be neat to know what the real answer is so that we can all take steps to avoid it.

It's an odd and annoying artifact in the photos to be sure!

One other observation:

In many of these photos, it seems as though this artifact is only visible in the out of focus background areas and not on the main subject. Now this might be simply because the sharply focused areas have detail that hides the subtle lines while the smooth OOF areas allow that pattern to show. Or it might be that the main subjects are brighter and it only shows well in darker areas.

But if it really IS only in the OOF areas, and that's not just a perceptual thing, then that means that it just about has to be an optical issue and not an electronic or interference-related problem.

Does anyone have any shots with this problem where it shows up in the in-focus areas?

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Jim H.
 
it's funny that it's only noticeable in the bokeh and not in the
sharp part of the image. I don't know but I would have thought
electrical interference wouldn't distinguish.
That's why my first idea was optical interference, like bad plexiglass or a wire mesh.

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John

 
It doesn't happen all the time, and I've actually been considering a
post in this forum to ask about it. In this photo, look along the
top, along the fence in the background, and you'll see them. I've
never gotten them with any other lens, but I've gotten it using both
my Rebel XT and now on my 50D. Obviously, it's not the camera then,
right?
Is there any association with shutter speed? The faster the shutter speed, above 1/250, the more diffraction there is in the edge of the shutter blades, as the actual movement of the slit is at a fixed speed; just the slit width differs. If it has anything to do with this diffraction (combined with out-of-focus detail), you should not see it at all with shutter speeds slower than 1/250 (or 1/200 with the rebels).

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John

 
Hi All,

Does any one of you encountered this problem of diagonal lines in the
picture. My set up is CANON 50D, 100-400L IS USM+ MARUMI UV FILTER..

Thanks in advance.
Prakash Subbanna

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prakash_subbanna/3328877644/sizes/o/
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Here's an example with my 70-200 f4 L IS
It occurs quite often and seems to be fairly common.
I hope someone comes up with a solution.

I will try taking off the filter but I have one of the better ones so don't have a lot of hope.

 
Do you have the EXIF on your image? Was it taken at full zoom by any chance? My running dog image was taken at ISO 400, f7.1 at 1/2000. The tortoise was taken at ISO 200, f5.6 at 1/320. But they were BOTH taken at 300mm, the max for that lens.

A quick search of my images brings up this image that was also shot at 300mm. I would say there's some of the line effect on the right side of the background, but not where it's REALLY out of focus.



I am going to see if I can replicate and/or avoid the problem on some images this weekend and find some common ground for when it happens. I'm leaning toward the fact that they were all taken at full extension, but why that would be, I can't imagine.
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KathyN
 
Do you have the EXIF on your image? Was it taken at full zoom by any
chance? My running dog image was taken at ISO 400, f7.1 at 1/2000.
The tortoise was taken at ISO 200, f5.6 at 1/320. But they were BOTH
taken at 300mm, the max for that lens.

A quick search of my images brings up this image that was also shot
at 300mm. I would say there's some of the line effect on the right
side of the background, but not where it's REALLY out of focus.
I am going to see if I can replicate and/or avoid the problem on some
images this weekend and find some common ground for when it happens.
I'm leaning toward the fact that they were all taken at full
extension, but why that would be, I can't imagine.
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KathyN
--Exif is available in the image, Kathyn.

Focal lenth was 189mm, not quite full extension, but as the lines occur in the OOF area, it would naturally tend to occur towards max FL since there you have the minimum DOF.

David
 

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