Photofreak7
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... this time the G10 (and F200) were both set on macro for all those who doubted the first comparison earlier today. Still the same result to my eyes.
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F200EXR vs G10 ISO400-1600 w/crops (part 2)
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Noam Daguerre
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Photofreak7,
WOW! The F200 sure isn't shy about making that other brand look trashy! Stunning results at every step! Thanks again.
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NDag
WOW! The F200 sure isn't shy about making that other brand look trashy! Stunning results at every step! Thanks again.
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NDag
morey000
Senior Member
actually, the G10 shot does look a bit better to me than your first set.
However, the F200 still appears to lead in resolution and sharpness.
At ISO800 and 1600, not even close.
The G10 is a terrific camera. Canon certainly did a good job with it. for the much more compact F200 to even be compared to the G10 is a compliment. To have it best the Canon (in certain situations), is just hard to believe.
we get so lost in our comparative pixel peeping, we forget to appreciate how amazing all of these cameras are. Toss a roll of ASA800 film into your old Nikon F5 SLR and see what that looks like when viewing it 18" from a 2 ft by 3 ft print (which is more or less, what we're doing).
I don't recall a single shot I've taken from my F31 that I thought "I need more resolution".
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However, the F200 still appears to lead in resolution and sharpness.
At ISO800 and 1600, not even close.
The G10 is a terrific camera. Canon certainly did a good job with it. for the much more compact F200 to even be compared to the G10 is a compliment. To have it best the Canon (in certain situations), is just hard to believe.
we get so lost in our comparative pixel peeping, we forget to appreciate how amazing all of these cameras are. Toss a roll of ASA800 film into your old Nikon F5 SLR and see what that looks like when viewing it 18" from a 2 ft by 3 ft print (which is more or less, what we're doing).
I don't recall a single shot I've taken from my F31 that I thought "I need more resolution".
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YvesR
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That's a great comparison! The pictures are slightly underexposed, but it is great to see that the Fuji is clearly outresolving the G10 and giving slightly cleaner files. I've been holding onto buying the G10, knowing its noise and color fringing problems, and the Fuji may finally be my ideal pocket camera...
I should also say that the Fuji noise pattern is definitely more pleasing to look at than the Canon!
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I should also say that the Fuji noise pattern is definitely more pleasing to look at than the Canon!
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MrClick #421805
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I can't help but remember someone who used to often bash the F200EXR and overrate his G10 in these forums! Wonder where he is now and what he would say! Would he again point out some flaw in Matt's testing OR would he finally shut up and eat humble pie?!!
Even I must admit that I always had publicly stated that the F200EXR was a darn good compact from the day I could judge samples from the production units. But that it would be sooooo good, it even beat my expectations and is evidently a more capable compact that I had initially thought!
Now my palms really itch to use this superb compact!!
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Even I must admit that I always had publicly stated that the F200EXR was a darn good compact from the day I could judge samples from the production units. But that it would be sooooo good, it even beat my expectations and is evidently a more capable compact that I had initially thought!
Now my palms really itch to use this superb compact!!
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Hugo Angel
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Interesting comparison. Results from the F200 look very promising. At iso 200 it competes still favorably with the G10. Maybe at iso 100 (and with more light in the scene) it would be otherwise. Thank you for your work.
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Photofreak7
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it may look a bit better than the first set -but- still lacks in comparison to the F200. I would venture a guess and say the F200 would equal or possibly better the F31 in a similiar test.
the F200 is impressive jpg to jpg ... wonder how the G10 would do in RAW (?)
G10 is a very good camera in many ways ... I use the AUTOISO and P mode and just ajust the EV dial with superb results most times ... but jpg's above ISO800 are 'rubbish' as Simon Cowell would say.
I agree ... 6MP's (other than cropping) is plenty IMO. I also enjoyed my S3IS 'back in the day'.
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Photofreak7
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... yep not a 'perfect' comparison but as I said good enough to draw conclusions. The F200 has a lot going for it but the G10 is still the overall better camera IMO for a 'one-camera solution' that handles most situations quite well. With the superb IS I doubt you'd need to go above ISO400 much at all ... and even with moving sbjects in low light the F200 would struggle (LX3 with the f/2 lens is possibly a bit better then)
Fuji did their homework on the F200 ... that is one of my griped with the G10 - the 'look' of the noie itself.
Photofreak7
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Don't know but don't care either ... I enjoyed some of KL's comments on occasion and at least he isn't loyal to any particular company and gives uninhibited/honest (and yes unpopular at times) comments unlike some of the Canon and Fuji loyalists here on dpr who never discuss or think their cameras or abilities have any flaws.
Indeed seems to be a nice camera ... not perfect but a nice replacement for an F30/31 user IMO.
shoot away and enjoy!
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Photofreak7
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Actually I may have been a bit hasty saying the G10 was better at lower ISO's (than the F200) because I took some shots outside yesterday and had a very hard time seeing a huge advantage for the G10 over the F200.
Photofreak7
Veteran Member
Thanks for commenting but I wouldn't say trashy because this is only one side of the coin as they say - the other side is that in small prints the G10 would still give a decent result (with PP/NR) and remember it has RAW and a much better feature set and is simply much more pleasurable to use as an everyday camera.
Photofreak7
Did you use cutom white balance?... if not I sure would like to see the result if that variable is removed or added depending how you look at . From what I see if they are on auto I prefer the color of the Fujifilm. The Fujifilm also seems to have better IQ all the way around.
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Did you use cutom white balance?... if not I sure would like to see the result if that variable is removed or added depending how you look at . From what I see if they are on auto I prefer the color of the Fujifilm. The Fujifilm also seems to have better IQ all the way around.
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Photofreak7
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Both were set on AWB. The G10 still 'overcooks' the colors a bit giving a likely more appealing color scheme for some but for me I prefer a more natural/true to life look.
Noam Daguerre
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Good point. I was responding to the G10's high ISO images. The comparison with the F200 images frankly surprised me.
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karl boyle
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Matt, the F200 looks better at all ISOs. But up to ISO800 the G10 hold it's own very well.....is not streets behind by any means and probably could be evened up a bit in PP or Raw.
But if you want straight from the cam, no fuss, no PP....then the F200 looks pretty good. Sure makes the old Fxxx outdated with a way better lens range, dynamic range, stabilization, better LCD and decent ISOs to at least 800 from what I am seeing.
I never cared for the watercolor effect of ISO1600 on the old F-series cams anyway. I know I would be kicking myself now if I just bought a old Fxxx cam for big bucks now.
Thanks for taking the time to do this samples.
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Fatboy
But if you want straight from the cam, no fuss, no PP....then the F200 looks pretty good. Sure makes the old Fxxx outdated with a way better lens range, dynamic range, stabilization, better LCD and decent ISOs to at least 800 from what I am seeing.
I never cared for the watercolor effect of ISO1600 on the old F-series cams anyway. I know I would be kicking myself now if I just bought a old Fxxx cam for big bucks now.
Thanks for taking the time to do this samples.
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Regards,
Fatboy
Photofreak7
Veteran Member
But again in small prints the G10 may still be quite usable and for what it is one really has to decide if the G10 is 'enough' camera without even considering the F200 - after all the G10 does many things well and certainly out features the F200 by a fair margin. I'm going to likely keep both -or- keep my S5IS and F200 (and sell the G10) ... I don't know quite yet (maybe I'll keep all three!)
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Photofreak7
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My thoughts (almost exactly) ... perhaps the G10 is not given enough credit for what it is/does. After all one can mount a decent flash on it and rarely if ever have to roam into the F200's high ISO country -or- with the G10's very good IS system simply stay in AUTOISO which caps it at 400 and in most 'fixed' subject situations gives very good results.
Yep OOC the Fuji taint to bad ... the F31 owners certainly don't have a bad camera either and it would be tough if I had both on hand to give up either one - luckily I sold my F31 about a month ago to help finance the F200.
You are absolutely welcome.
karl boyle
Senior Member
Maybe...but I bet if you had both on hand that you be reaching for the F200 a lot more than the F31
I just don't see any advantage of buying a F31 now when there is a camera with a better lens range, DR, stabilization, LCD, cropping ability, and pretty close in ISOs. The numerous advantages of the F200 far outweigh the one trick pony advantage of the F31 IMO.
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Fatboy
Photofreak7
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You're right I likely would.Maybe...but I bet if you had both on hand that you be reaching for
the F200 a lot more than the F31
I 100% agree.
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