D90 = 3 x D40

--.........Why is it so many people always assume others are going to outgrow their dslr? Do they automatically think that everyone will be morphing into a gearhead eventually wanting to acquire the latest and greatest for bragging rights?
 
seems like an appropriate spot for this oft quoted observation:

“Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals worry about money, masters worry about light.”

slx2000 has only told us this will be his/her 1st dslr so we can assume amateur and hasn't shared any photographic objectives.

I bought my D40 a year ago and am just now starting to pay serious attention to the light before I start shooting. :)

The D40 is an excellent entry dslr to learn the craft on and learn the ins/outs of camera technique and the money saved can be used for flashes, lenses, tripod, etc that will work just fine with the next camera should slx2000 decide to upgrade.

The D90 is a great camera also and if money is no object, well, why not? But if money is a concern, the D40 is the way to go, IMHO. The only time I've felt constrained with my D40 was because I did not have a fast lens and I plan to correct that with a new 35mm 1.8.
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Toby
 
By the time you've "outgrown" the D40 there's a good chance that
technology will have delivered better cameras than the D90, maybe
even at a lower cost too.

Just something else to keep in mind.
This was my thinking when I bought my D40 a little over a year ago. I still feel that I'm not getting everything out of my D40 that it has to offer and until I feel like I am, I'm going to wait...besides, there are a growing number of AF-S lenses out there. I get compliments by the handfuls by using this combo.

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John

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jkrice/

 
Any of the Nikon digital SLR cameras have the capability of producing professional results if the camera is in the right hands. But once you have a digital SLR quality images just isn't enough. It's an addicting hobby for many. As soon as we have capabilities at one level we want to go just a little bit further, and so we need just one more lens, and one more flash, and one more filter, and one more (and the list just goes on and on). You can outgrow the camera as quickly as you want to, or you can make at last as long as you want to. It's really a question of how much of all this gadgetry is something that you must have to make yourself feel competent.
 
2x the high ISO performance
Hmmmmm......
Hmmm indeed. Which of these two do you prefer?





One of them (I'm not telling which) is the D40 at ISO 1600, the other is the D90 at ISO 3200. These are crops from the Imaging Resource files. On your monitor, these are effectively crops from approx 13x19 inch prints. In my eyes, for all real-world uses, these are the same image, but exposed slightly differently.

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http://www.benseese.com
 
2x the dynamic range?
I realize it's very hard to quantify, but the combination of my real-world usage of both cameras, and the tests that have been done both lead me to that number. The D90 has about one extra stop of real usable dynamic range. In photographic terms, a stop is a doubling of the light, thus the 2x number. Sorry if it seems a little misleading to phrase it that way.

Here's one of those tests I'm talking about (scroll down about 2/3 to the "bottom line" chart):
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D90/D90IMATEST.HTM
(basically, they say the D90 has 9.27 stops, the D40 has 8.3)

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2x the high ISO performance
Hmmmmm......
Hmmm indeed. Which of these two do you prefer?





One of them (I'm not telling which) is the D40 at ISO 1600, the other
is the D90 at ISO 3200. These are crops from the Imaging Resource
files. On your monitor, these are effectively crops from approx
13x19 inch prints. In my eyes, for all real-world uses, these are
the same image, but exposed slightly differently.
To me, on my monitor, the top image is cleaner than the bottom one.
 
John Tracy wrote:

--.........Why is it so many people always assume others are going to
outgrow their dslr? Do they automatically think that everyone will be
morphing into a gearhead eventually wanting to acquire the latest
and greatest for bragging rights?
Well.......I think I was the first in this thread to mention outgrowing their DSLR.

But I personally didn't "assume" that anybody would outgrow their DSLR. Maybe somebody else did, but I didn't. I said "if" they should outgrow their DSLR. To assume that they would grow out of their DSLR....I would have said "When" you grow out of your DSLR and not "if".

My first and foremost consideration to the OP was the complete opposite to outgrowing their DSLR. I have seen one or two cases recently (one on the Canon TF and the other on the Fuji TF) where they couldn't even "grow into" their DSLR. They went from a megazoom P&S to a DSLR and have returned back again because a DSLR wasn't their cup of tea. Which is why I suggested not to spend big money at the beginning until the OP was sure and settled.

But you can outgrow your DLSR very easily, believe me. People's shooting arrangements can change at a whim unexpectedly that warrants a better tool for the job. Yes, there are a lot of gearheads out there..... but equally they are a lot people too that have realized even over a short space of time that they now want to do different things to what they first intended to do with the DSLR that they choose.

For instance....when I bought the D40, I got it to fulfill a certain type of shooting requirement for me. But that unexpectedly changed when I stumbled into sports out of curiosity and wanted to take it to a slightly higher level. I never once thought that I would ever shoot sports before I bought the D40 or that it could be so enjoyable.

So I soon realized pretty quickly that the D40 was not the best tool in the world for sports and that I needed a slight step up for my needs. I now prefer the extra 2fps and 11 AF points for tracking that the D90 offers for a higher keeper rate. I also find that the auto ISO is now usable and very valuable for sports with better implementation (up to a minimum shutter speed of 1/2000s before raising the ISO as oppossed to just 1/125s on D40). I also like to take advantage of the ability to crop heavy into an image if I need to from time to time if my lens can't get me there. There is nothing "gearheaded" or "bragging rights" about those things. They are now necessities and features that can make my life a way easier and make my shooting experience a way more pleasurable one and less of a frustrating one. And in some cases they can be the difference of getting that shot and not getting it.

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Regards,
Fatboy
 
The D90 kit gives you 3x the focus points, 3x the screen resolution,
3x the battery life, 3x the menu options, 2x the external controls,
2x the lenses to choose from, 2x the frames per second, 2x the focal
length, 2x the resolution, 2x the high ISO performance, 2x the
control dials, 2x the dynamic range.
most of those numbers you claim are in
fact arguable, the real question is:
Please, do argue your case against any of my numbers. In fact, I've just rebutted three "arguments" above. And those were the only three that were even up for discussion. That is, are you going to attempt to argue that the D90 doesn't have twice as many control dials or three times as many focus points? :-)
You can take the same pictures with either camera.
If you are such a camera nihilist, I would ask, why are you bothering to post in a camera-comparison thread? I'm a firm believer in the mentality of "the camera doesn't take the picture, the photographer does," BUT the differences I listed are all REAL. Any careful buyer would/should be happy to have them spelled out.

Per Wikipedia:
nihilism: the position that values do not exist but rather are falsely invented

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http://www.benseese.com
 
2x the high ISO performance
Hmmmmm......
Hmmm indeed. Which of these two do you prefer?





One of them (I'm not telling which) is the D40 at ISO 1600, the other
is the D90 at ISO 3200. These are crops from the Imaging Resource
files. On your monitor, these are effectively crops from approx
13x19 inch prints. In my eyes, for all real-world uses, these are
the same image, but exposed slightly differently.
To me, on my monitor, the top image is cleaner than the bottom one.
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I agree - the top one on my monitor is a lot cleaner. Which one is which?
 
2x the high ISO performance
Hmmmmm......
Hmmm indeed. Which of these two do you prefer?





One of them (I'm not telling which) is the D40 at ISO 1600, the other
is the D90 at ISO 3200. These are crops from the Imaging Resource
files. On your monitor, these are effectively crops from approx
13x19 inch prints. In my eyes, for all real-world uses, these are
the same image, but exposed slightly differently.
To me, on my monitor, the top image is cleaner than the bottom one.
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I agree - the top one on my monitor is a lot cleaner. Which one is
which?
Fine, I'll fess up. But I will say, I thought my point was more effective with the mystery intact. The top one (the one you guys say is better) is the D90 at ISO 3200. Please do remember that the exposure level is noticeably different between the two images. If we print the D90 image brighter, to match the D40, I really think the difference you're seeing will wash away.

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http://www.benseese.com
 
I'm sorry, but if anyone needs to take 3300 photos at one time, they
need to seriously improve their photography skills.
Don't be sorry -- if you're going to indirectly insult me, be honest about it. But in fact, I'm pretty sure my skills are just fine -- I was shooting an HDR timelapse project that day, thus the absurd shutter count. Changing out the battery mid-shoot would've been possible, but very undesirable.

Now, if you're following in TFergus' nihilistic footprints, trying to say that a bigger battery has no value to people with skills, then please, try to say it in a way that doesn't sound so much like a back-handed personal attack.

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http://www.benseese.com
 
Hi,

Maybe you should consider the D40x (don't forget the D60!) with more glass with the extra money, if you're thinking about getting serious about photography in the future. Glass is much better an investment than digital camera bodies and the D40x is featured enough for beginners. OTOH cameras loose their value very quickly, while new models keep drizzling onto the shelves.

As other posters mentioned, you could also consider a 2nd hand D200 (great semi-pro camera) or a D80, if you already feel the need for a more 'serious' camera body; they are easy to find and got very cheap.

All the best,
Nuno B.
 

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