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Oscar Rico said:
Interesting that the splash of the rain not shown on the pond
surface,it may need extra work to compete the picture. BTW nice
picture. Regards: Oscar
http://www.pbase.com/tanguero/random_
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Hi Oscar. Glad you like it.

Re. the water surface... you are the third person pointing out the same :) So... follow this trail :-) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=31264645

(If there had been 150 responses I could understand someone missing the answer but ...in a couple of dozen posts, three of which are repeating the same question... ??)

In any case, thanks for taking the time.

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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
I kind of like it as well but.
It sure looks Photoshopped to my eye.

But I can't say that I have ever shot under those exact circumstances.
 
Hmmm... OK, so tell me.. what do you think I would gain by creating this ...out of whole cloth and then entering it in the 'wrong' forum? Wouldn't it make more sense to 'brag' about my creativity, perhaps in the Retouching forum? I mean ...in this day and age... who is ashamed of their PS ability (if they have any)? Five years ago maybe, but these arguments were settled long ago...

Or do you think perhaps Marc's image (my inspiration) is PS'd too? (I am referring to this post: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=31265136 )

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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
CamasJC said:
CamasJC wrote:
Hmmm... OK, so tell me.. what do you think I would gain by creating
this ...
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maybe enjoyment, maybe nothing
CamasJC said:
then entering it in the 'wrong' forum?
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nothing wrong with the forum, plenty of pictures here
CamasJC said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to 'brag' about my creativity, perhaps in
the Retouching forum?
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Only if you're into bragging
CamasJC said:
Or do you think perhaps Marc's image (my inspiration) is PS'd too?
(I am referring to this post:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=31265136 )
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Never entered my mind, but as long as you asked his doesn't look it

All I said was it looked it to my eye, not that it should be banished to the back of the bathroom door.

I think you better go adjust your thong, you're acting like it's a little tight
 
CamasJC said:
CamasJC wrote:
So what am I to take from this... work it in photoshop so... it
doesn't look... photoshopped? :-) Or are you saying "looks
photoshopped' is not a bad thing?
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CamasJC said:
CamasJC wrote:

So what am I to take from this... work it in photoshop so... it
doesn't look... photoshopped? :-) Or are you saying "looks
photoshopped' is not a bad thing?
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I made a simple, non- offensive comment about your picture and you flipped out, period.

You can take whatever you want from it.

as you well know... I wasn't the only one thinking Photoshop when looking your picture. ;-)
 
For my two cents I much prefer the B&W from the original, and yes, it did strike me as heavily photo-shopped in a way I don't find appealing. As I studied further I concluded that a lot of the retouching is very good, and what I don't like is the falling rain/sleet. That isn't to say it's a bad picture, it just doesn't appeal to me.

I'd have preferred to see the same picture in B&W, but just after the rain stopped so that the rocks and fauna are very wet, but without the falling rain. But it seems your day was not without falling rain so "my" preferred image was not attainable anyway.

These are observations base on personal taste, they are absolutely not criticisms. I don't think you wasted your afternoon, it's just not my cup of tea, which I would have been drinking having given up on the weather.

As for your underwear (discussed in some posts in this string), I have no interest in whether it's tight, loose, or in a bunch.

Respectfully,
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Richard
Chicago, IL, USA
 
boatbuster said:
I made a simple, non- offensive comment about your picture and you
flipped out, period.

You can take whatever you want from it.

as you well know... I wasn't the only one thinking Photoshop when
looking your picture. ;-)
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Hoah, hold your horses bud... what makes you think I 'flipped out?' I am only trying to understand what you are saying. I appreciate your taking the time to offer feedback -- just trying to understand that feedback. (And doing so because as you point out, apparently you are not the only one who had that reaction... which means there may actually be something here that I need to understand). So I am groping in the dark... help me out...
  • Are you saying 'it looks photoshopped' in the sense of 'man this is so good it looks artificial?" E.g. to my eyes ...cover girl Rihanna's skin looks so perfect it could be ...plastic (or it did... before 'the incident, that is. LOL) Or...
  • Are you saying 'it looks photoshopped' in the sense of "defective,' 'unnatural,' or, as someone else said "needs more work' (in reality that would be 'work' not 'more work' since I have not done anything relevant to the rain/snow 'traces', but maybe I should?)
If you mean the former... why thank you, I guess I don't need to mess with perfection :-)

If the latter.. would you have any suggestions as to what I might do to 'fix' it? I don't think adding little 'splash craters' is the answer but... I am open to anything practical.

Thanks in advance
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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
Thanks for the input Richard.
LoneArranger said:
For my two cents I much prefer the B&W from the original, and yes, it
did strike me as heavily photo-shopped in a way I don't find
appealing. As I studied further I concluded that a lot of the
retouching is very good, and what I don't like is the falling
rain/sleet. That isn't to say it's a bad picture, it just doesn't
appeal to me.
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I appreciate the clear communication. And, actually this could be very instructive... For the record, the only 'retouching' I did was the normal contrast adjustment (curves) and conversion to B&W... Is that what you meant or what exactly are you referring to?
LoneArranger said:
I'd have preferred to see the same picture in B&W, but just after the
rain stopped so that the rocks and fauna are very wet, but without
the falling rain. But it seems your day was not without falling rain
so "my" preferred image was not attainable anyway.
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No, I do have a couple of versions without the rain (I spent some time there and it was 'on and off') but I thought this image would be more interesting and appropriate to a gear forum... the others are 'sort of' nice too, except this time of year they are kind of boring (no flowers, not as many leaves, not much color)
LoneArranger said:
These are observations base on personal taste, they are absolutely
not criticisms. I don't think you wasted your afternoon, it's just
not my cup of tea, which I would have been drinking having given up
on the weather.
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Understood. Btw... there is a tea house in the garden... drop in sometime :)
LoneArranger said:
As for your underwear (discussed in some posts in this string), I
have no interest in whether it's tight, loose, or in a bunch.
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(!)......Glad to hear that. LOL

Cheers,
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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
John,

I haven't been reading the posts here, only the one immediately above.

I wouldn't worry too much about your image, but for your own take on your own image, don't place it high up on a shelf or pedestal. Instead, make more & more images like it. Watch your own work become refined as you go along. It takes a lot of practice: and I'm indeed not one to speak. The majority of my own images need a ton of work (in terms of progress of where I want them to go).

Shooting the image at 1/10th of a second was a good thing. You can now see how the results look & how others react to it (though they're reacting to your first attempt). And with my image (looking into the hangar from outside the hangar - made at 1/20th sec), you can now see how the "feeling" of a heavy falling snow compares to a heavy rain.

I suggest you'll be able to make a drop-dead awesome image with falling rain. But you'll simply need to keep working & refining your technique. And to continue to work with interesting lighting & lighting scenarios - until you develop something that really works for the general population - and of course - yourself.

marc
 
John,

I can see that there isn't a lot of retouching, but what there is I felt is an appropriate light touch. The transition from color to B&W is included in my more generalised "photoshopped" assessment. But all good.

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Richard
Chicago, IL, USA
 
PhotoRecon said:
I wouldn't worry too much about your image, but for your own take on
your own image, don't place it high up on a shelf or pedestal.
Instead, make more & more images like it. Watch your own work become
refined as you go along....
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Thanks Marc,

That makes sense... as a logical strategy; and I hope I never stop experimenting. Still... I am wondering if I really need to somehow reduce the impact/visibility of the rain here... to make it more believable (?) I guess you would answer that in the affirmative... but not necessarily via PP (?) Hmmm.

Yet this is exactly how I remember the scene... and yes, I deliberately picked 1/10th second (as well as 1/5th to see the difference) Also, this wasn't 'pure' rain... there were literally high density 'traces' of water and wet snow in front of my eyes all over [[ ...and I remember a ...'crazy' woman with a P&S standing next to me trying to capture what I was pointing at... probably thinking..."if a pro is out taking photos in this weather then... this must be a trade secret or something" :-) I remember looking at her... she said "so what do you make of this crazy weather' to which I replied... "yea isn't it wonderful... one last chance to capture a winter scene." She thought about that for a moment and kept on... (I hope her little P&S survived, too)]]

The thing is... even though I consider myself an artist, not a documentarian... in the sense of not always insisting on a literal interpretation of a subject, in this case the literal looks far more artistic than I could ever have made it with my limited PS skills.

Hmmm. I'll have to think about all that a bit more.

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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
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