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Have you tried one of the higher-res bodies?
Raist3d said:
many people are congratulating Olympus for putting a forward honest
statement, not engage in megapixie (yes, pixie) wars for 4/3rds and
focus on other aspects that many of us want.

I started one of them and I never intended to say it was a bad thing.
To the contrary- I am glad Olympus states it so and move on. At some
point theyll move that forward later on as technology improves. Hey,
maybe Panasonic nor Kodak can provide them a smaller megapixel count
sensor, since Olympus doesn't make theirs.

But in either case, many people are starting to get tired with the
non pragmatism of high megapixel counts for them. The LX3 is one of
Panasonic's most successful cameras and they in their marketing
stated they stopped at 10 megapixels on purpose.

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which
there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
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Jeff
 
He's done nothing wrong - infact, he's won a lot of support for Olympus by talking sense... Megapixel wars are not helping the photographer,, and dpreview have been saying this for a while too.

We know that IQ has little to do with megapixels above 12Mp for reasonable sized prints.

Kind Regards

Brian
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I agree with Mr. Watanabe's statement, but rather than say "12 MP is enough, or adequate etc.". I would argue that 10-12 MP at this point is optimum, fantastic, wonderful, and excellent.

As noted by others, the 15MP Canon 50D is a good example. As good as that camera may be, only a few prime lenses at optimum aperature can really do its sensor justice (see dpreview of 50D). So, being a contrarian, I just ordered a Canon 40D (10MP)-- dealers are practically giving them away;> )

Cheers. Craig
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Q80Diver said:
What I see that this statement received very will in the camera
world. Everyone seems to agree with that more over respect to oly
brand grow. Ask anyone who own canon 50D or G10 and he will tell you
that 15 MB is too much. In the past ppl were more interested in MB
now the general idea is more mature and the demand is toward better
iso performance and better DR. many ppl now looking for smaller gear
also. I see it’s very brave and will placed statement
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I Totally agree, the only thing that would top this would be honest politicians that state what they really think rather than say what the majority of voters want to hear :-) Of course the chance of this is as high as me winning the lottery

Thanks Oly for sticking to your guns and making a stand on what most phtographers really need!
 
Yes, picked up a new MacBook Pro (15") in Nov. I've been doing a lot of slide scanning in recent months, thus working with large tiff files, 60MB or so, with PS CS4 and LR. Big files do require resources, no doubt about it.

The E-3 raw files handle very nicely now (compared to by 3+ year old laptop).
Brian Mosley said:
The resources required to work with 25Mp Raw files are significatly
greater than 12Mp raw.

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Jeff
 
Brian Mosley said:
The resources required to work with 25Mp Raw files are significatly
greater than 12Mp raw.

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Hrm very true especially if you're into photoshop and routinely deal with layers but I can confidently say a modern average computer is up to the task as long as you have enough ram. Dual-core 64bit processors are at the bottom end and quad-core's are rapidly becoming mainstream and are only about $20 more if you're a system builder. Dual quads have come down in price enough to the point where an average joe in a media profession can realistically afford to build one for about the price of a mid-range apple. My system isn't a beast by any means, it's an amd64 4400x2 with 4gb of ram and a speedy hdd and it seems to handle anything I throw at it including working on multiple raw FF files from my 5d and those raw sample files of the a900 floating around the net.

When it comes to my notebook, well hrm things can get sluggish as I only have a 2ghz p4 and 2gb of ram but it works in a pinch.
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i would like have a 6-7MP 4/3 camera with Noise performance like the D700 or if not so a 80% D700 noise performance

6MP are more then enough for many uses, inclusive magazine printing....

last week i printed in A3 a photo of a group of birds done many years ago with a 6MP 300D and a 80-200 f2.8, it look great,also if viewd from 10 cm !

for me noise is the most important thing in a camera

pity it will never happen
 
... about '12Mp enough or not'.

It's about Watanabe's blunder that Olympus is giving away the pro market.

No matter how bad the pro models sell and what revenues they generate - they do make people buy the entry and semi-pro cameras.

No pro model in the DSLR market means - in the long run - that you're are a third tier brand.

Cheers,

Claus (concerned:-).

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
I just placed an order for an SHG lens. And I did it after reading the 12 megapixel article.

Guess I should have waited for this thread before I did something so silly...

I've printed 13 x19 inch prints from my E-330. They are wonderful. I'm sure I can go larger.

I'm likely going to get an E-3 soon. Am I crazy? I can live with crazy.

Dan
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I have downloaded the sample pics. The look great no doubt. But I can also print 12 mp at 13'by 19' fine.

The 24 mp - my computer takes a nice performance hit. It's good to have in the sense that I could always shoot smaller. I can say the only camera I would be interested in using on that end is the Sony, because the D3x is not only super expensive, but just hyper big and weighty.

If my main subject of photography was landscapes, I would be seriously considering the Sony Alpha. But it isn't, street life is made better by small and invisible, and I shot a full wedding already with the e-420 successfully, printed big.

Besides all of that, what does that have to do with what I said in the post you replied to?

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Jeff said:
Raist3d said:
that's just silly. He's a guy that's been there for a while and key
to the company.
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Bet he won't be giving more interviews any time soon.
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You don't know that.
Jeff said:
Jeff said:
As for the cameras and all that, as things improve in quality for 12
megapixels we should see some good stuff.

In either case, the e-620 is good stuff ;-)
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Yes, let's hope for better sensors that lead to improved IQ. I guess
my point is that 25MP sensors in a FF format is viable option right
now, and that Oly's strategy appears more suited to mid-tier rather
than higher-end systems.
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Well, that's what I said. And of course FF will pack more megapixels at a given technology.. I mean that's not a surprise. I am happy that Olympus admitted it and it's just a matter of moving on. Whoever needs them, go get them.
Jeff said:
I'm enjoying these discussions, they help to sharpen up my own
thinking needs and where to go with the next big (for me) purchases.
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Cool. I would say if I was going big megapixel count, the Sony Alpha looks great from everything I have seen/read.
Jeff said:
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Jeff
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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
if they rather concentrate on improving the current pixel quality, that in combination with the lenses and size, that's compelling for many photographers, imho. I am not saying it's an approach that will fullfill everyone's needs- it won't. But I think that it focuses Olympus on doing what they do well better, and be profitable.
Claus A said:
... about '12Mp enough or not'.

It's about Watanabe's blunder that Olympus is giving away the pro
market.

No matter how bad the pro models sell and what revenues they generate
  • they do make people buy the entry and semi-pro cameras.
No pro model in the DSLR market means - in the long run - that you're
are a third tier brand.

Cheers,

Claus (concerned:-).

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer
a sign but the thing itself...

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
The C 5D is/was one of these. Nevertheless, I bought into Olympus. Deliberately. A couple years ago, though.

Now there's a C 5D2 with 21 MP (at 2300 EUR) - and Olympus tells us that 12 MP is enough. Doesn't compute.

I'm fine right now with my E3/E30 and the lenses I own. However, there's no real body/sensor upgrade path for me after that statement.

Cheers,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
Claus A said:
The C 5D is/was one of these. Nevertheless, I bought into Olympus.
Deliberately. A couple years ago, though.

Now there's a C 5D2 with 21 MP (at 2300 EUR) - and Olympus tells us
that 12 MP is enough. Doesn't compute.
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The 5D2 doesn't haven an articulated live view, nor the size of the e-620. For me the 5DII doesn't compete. It depends on your needs. If you are going to take just a single aspect of an image and based on that alone claim superiority, I honestly think that's either misguided or just your personal want (which is fine, but it's not the absolute statement it sounds).

A friend of mine who graduates as a photographer, who has bee fliming a thesis project on a Canon 5DII this year and likes Canon in general- told me on this commentary that he agrees- he can do fine on a 12 megapixel 5D- 1. And my current photographer teacher who has a master degree in photography from Cal Arts is buying an e-620. She's been traditionally Canon.

What does that say? (note: I am not even remotely suggesting the e-620 is for everyone, that's not my point- just want to make that clear).
Claus A said:
I'm fine right now with my E3/E30 and the lenses I own. However,
there's no real body/sensor upgrade path for me after that statement.
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For me there is. How about more DR? How about more per pixel meaningful density? Fuji does better than their 6 megapixels rated in the DSLR becuase of that. The Sigma Foveon does twice its nominal resolution vs typical Bayer. A foveon of say true 10 megapixels would be capturing in the order of 20 megapixels typical Bayer (and in a way with more 'presence' in some areas).
Claus A said:
Cheers,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer
a sign but the thing itself...

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Ricardo,
Raist3d said:
A friend of mine who graduates as a photographer, who has bee fliming
a thesis project on a Canon 5DII this year and likes Canon in
general- told me on this commentary that he agrees- he can do fine on
a 12 megapixel 5D- 1. And my current photographer teacher who has a
master degree in photography from Cal Arts is buying an e-620. She's
been traditionally Canon.
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I was at the opening of Julio Bittencourt's Prestes Maia 911 exhibition here in Berlin. Great photography. Moving photographs. All done with the 5D.

The prints were bigger than A3+ (13"x19"), but not much. Superb PP. But, when I stepped nearer, these pictures reassured me that my E3 is not bad at all. Smudgy silky details...

But we're in 2009 now and there's a C5D2. And Olympus tells us that 12 MP is enough...
Member said:
A foveon of say true 10 megapixels would
be capturing in the order of 20 megapixels typical Bayer (and in a
way with more 'presence' in some areas).
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Hey, I'd buy it instantly inside an Oly camera. But it won't happen. I'm stuck (?) to the E3/30 now.

Cheers,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
Exactly. That's what I was writing about. Wonder why a lot of people don't get it...

Thanks + cheers,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
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