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As the subject line says, why is everyone jumping on the "Bash the DT" bandwagon? I understand there are limitations with these lenses on a FF...but what's the percentage of Alpha shooters who own the a900 or are planning on upgrading in the near future, compared to the APS-C owners?

And why are the cropped guys joining in as well? With Minolta prices spiraling out of control on Ebay, and the f1.4 just out of reach for those just starting out, what's wrong with a budget standard lens aimed at the entry level/advanced beginner?

I for one, depending on the price, would probably trade my Minolta f1.7 for it in favor of a modern build, more up to date optics and SSM (as the pics suggest).

Is the Canikon crowd complaining about new cropped lenses too?
 
Once the lens is actually available and test results are out, I may also sell off my Minolta and get one if it is markedly better than my f1.7

The 30mm is something that the more I think about it I may be interested in but my Tamron 17-50 is the same speed and sharp wide open. The 30mm needs to best my Tamron to be considered. I wish they had a G series 16-105 f2.8-4 come out. That would have floated my boat
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Just my opinion. The 'equipment' people like to dream of having the latest and greatest, most exotic and expensive cameras and lenses. Even if they will never buy this stuff, it is fun for them to dream about. Of course there is the bragging rights also, about the Brand. I guess the DT lenses just don't make the cut..heheh. They are just for photographers.

Now if the 30mm was a FF, 1.0 and cost $3000, that would make the cut for dreams..heheh.
Russ

P.S. Personally, I'm going to look seriously at the DT 30mm 2.8 when it becomes available.
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Not everyone is. I have plenty of friend that shoot sony aps-c and are very happy with what's coming out. The last years have seen the FF owners getting very nice lenses, now it is very good to see that Sony is taking care of the aps-c owners.
 
05_GD7 said:
I for one, depending on the price, would probably trade my Minolta
f1.7 for it in favor of a modern build, more up to date optics and
SSM (as the pics suggest).
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I could not do that as it would be useless on 4 of my 5 slr's. Even though it is the proper mount
 
I think it is due to the fact that the lenses are not any smaller in size, and that if you do move up to a FF SLR, the usefullness of the lenses are limited. Unless the retail prices are low, which I doubt, why would you want to a lens that cannot grow with you, if you move up to FF?

While FF will always be more expensive than an APS-C DSLR, they will drop in price in the future.
 
Sony has introduced a full frame at a very reasonable price. A few years from now, full frame will be the order of the day, so why continue a lens line that will eventually be less useful to its owners?

I can see why they would want to make a few affordable entry level zooms, but a 50 mm f:1.8 is on many people's wish-list, and will be in the future. Making one such a lens for APS-C and another for full frame will make both lenses more expensive than making the one that covers both formats.

The 30 mm macro is something I simply don't understand. The front lens to subject distance at 1:1 is extremely short, but maybe it's not a 1:1 macro.
 
Klipsen said:
Sony has introduced a full frame at a very reasonable price. A few
years from now, full frame will be the order of the day
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Apparently not..... I see the release of more DT lenses as a sign that APS-C cameras will be around a lot longer than some people think.

Maybe we'll see FF in A700-class cameras in some years - but there'll always be a need for an inexpensive 50mm lens for the (larger) APS-C crowd.

Let's just hope that the Sony won't price the 50mm too high (it has to be cheaper than Nikon/Canon equivalents)
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Bodies will come and go. It doesn't matter if some one will buy a 900 in the near future. They are dissappointed because it is expected in the long term that FF will become the norm at least on the A700 caliber body.

I'm more dissappointed in the lack of any apparent strategy around the lenses.
05_GD7 said:
As the subject line says, why is everyone jumping on the "Bash the
DT" bandwagon? I understand there are limitations with these lenses
on a FF...but what's the percentage of Alpha shooters who own the
a900 or are planning on upgrading in the near future, compared to the
APS-C owners?

And why are the cropped guys joining in as well? With Minolta prices
spiraling out of control on Ebay, and the f1.4 just out of reach for
those just starting out, what's wrong with a budget standard lens
aimed at the entry level/advanced beginner?

I for one, depending on the price, would probably trade my Minolta
f1.7 for it in favor of a modern build, more up to date optics and
SSM (as the pics suggest).

Is the Canikon crowd complaining about new cropped lenses too?
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Kenneth Berntsen
 
On the whole people should welcome these new DT lenses as they are a sign that Sony are not planning on ditching the APS-C format in the near future.

However, if reports are accurate, it is strange that these lenses have apparently not been designed to be more compact which is one potential virtue of the smaller format.

This will be even more useful if ever a micro-APS-C camera is produced however they may have stuck with a more conventional size as Sony has been influenced by the die-hard traditionalists who are timid about change.

Keith-C
 
05_GD7 said:
As the subject line says, why is everyone jumping on the "Bash the
DT" bandwagon? I understand there are limitations with these lenses
on a FF...but what's the percentage of Alpha shooters who own the
a900 or are planning on upgrading in the near future, compared to the
APS-C owners?

And why are the cropped guys joining in as well? With Minolta prices
spiraling out of control on Ebay, and the f1.4 just out of reach for
those just starting out, what's wrong with a budget standard lens
aimed at the entry level/advanced beginner?

I for one, depending on the price, would probably trade my Minolta
f1.7 for it in favor of a modern build, more up to date optics and
SSM (as the pics suggest).

Is the Canikon crowd complaining about new cropped lenses too?
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Poor choice of focal lengths and the use of a cheap micro-motor instead of screw drive. Also Sony fails to address the holes and needed updates in their lens line-up with these unimaginative offerings. That's most of my beef anyway.
--Phil
 
While there's nothing wrong with some good DT's.. I would have enjoyed a cheaper FF 35mm F2/2.8 and 85mm F2.8.. Those would have worked on APS-C aswell as on upcoming FF models.

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Georg Varsanpää

 
Kenneth B said:
it is
expected in the long term that FF will become the norm at least on
the A700 caliber body.
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I hope not!

I have no issues with APS that I need FF to fix, and adding weight, expense, file size etc. doessn't seem to be an improvement to me. APS-C does everything I need, so I hope I don't get forced into FF just to stay at the same level as my A700 when I next buy a new body.

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KEITH-C said:
On the whole people should welcome these new DT lenses as they are a
sign that Sony are not planning on ditching the APS-C format in the
near future.
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Also, these lenses seem to me to be proof that APS-C is going to be around for a while.

There are those who really want FF to take over. And be the same prices as APS-C. It's not going to happen for years. I suppose at some point, sensors may become so cheap that it's inevitable that FF is as cheap as APS-C is now... but why can't I get APS-C sized sensors in a smaller P&S camera? Cameras like the DP1 are expensive and limited in features. So, I think there will be limitations with us for a long time, still.

Sure, if the A900 was available at less than the price of the A700 I might find that compelling, but until then, I'm not even going to consider FF. With newer sensor designs, it may never be necessary.
KEITH-C said:
However, if reports are accurate, it is strange that these lenses
have apparently not been designed to be more compact which is one
potential virtue of the smaller format.

This will be even more useful if ever a micro-APS-C camera is
produced however they may have stuck with a more conventional size as
Sony has been influenced by the die-hard traditionalists who are
timid about change.
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I expect that you can make lenses a bit smaller if they are APS-C-only, but I question whether you can make any significant gains without redesigning the body as well.

I would think a micro-APC-C would require new lenses (to get a smaller design, like where they use an adapter to make use of old lenses on the micro-4/3rds system. Can you take a micro 4/3 lens and put it on a 4/3 camera?)
KEITH-C said:
Keith-C
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Gary W.
 
Totally agree. Totally.

Ugh! DT lenses. It would be one thing if Sony had an extensive line of lenses, like Nikon and Canon, but they don't. Bodies come and go, yes--and the glass you keep. They're a commitment as you upgrade bodies and stick with a particular system. So this slew of DT lenses does not comfort me about Sony's long-term committment to me as a full frame user. I have no intention of buying any of those overpriced ZA stuff, either. Affordable primes, that's all a full frame user need to take total advantage of the best sensors in the world.

And it's unfortunate that I have to scrounge around with everybody else in the dustbins of ebay to get what I need. Sony should be on top of this. Sony should be making this glass.

What the heck are you doing? Don't make me regret not jumping on the 5D Mk2 bandwagon!
 
05_GD7 said:
And why are the cropped guys joining in as well? With Minolta prices
spiraling out of control on Ebay, and the f1.4 just out of reach for
those just starting out, what's wrong with a budget standard lens
aimed at the entry level/advanced beginner?
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50mm is not standard on APS-C, it's short tele.

30mm is closer, but "macro" and "slow" is not great either. Standard lenses have always been faster, often the fastest in the bag.

28/2 would be a perfect standard lens, and meets the definition. Standard = diagonal measurement of sensor = 28mm.

On film it was 43mm, and 50 was a cheap compromise.
 
Klipsen said:
Sony has introduced a full frame at a very reasonable price. A few
years from now, full frame will be the order of the day, ...
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Uh. No.

The selection of lenses for APS-C lenses is larger than for FF. Full Frame is the new 'Medium Format'. Most photographers jumped from 120/220 film to 35mm film because of the larger selection of cameras and lenses. Why would anyone think this won't happen with digital? For all it's advantages, in the marketplace, FF has one hand tied behind its back.
 
I wish the 50/1.8 was a full frame. I don't believe the mass/size savings of an APS-C 50mm is significant. What will be significant is the loss of the "sweet-spot" when the cheap lens is "designed" for APS-C. The big difference will be the coatings.

I would prefer the 30mm to be faster (1.8 or 2).

More is better.

Cheers!
05_GD7 said:
As the subject line says, why is everyone jumping on the "Bash the
DT" bandwagon? I understand there are limitations with these lenses
on a FF...but what's the percentage of Alpha shooters who own the
a900 or are planning on upgrading in the near future, compared to the
APS-C owners?

And why are the cropped guys joining in as well? With Minolta prices
spiraling out of control on Ebay, and the f1.4 just out of reach for
those just starting out, what's wrong with a budget standard lens
aimed at the entry level/advanced beginner?

I for one, depending on the price, would probably trade my Minolta
f1.7 for it in favor of a modern build, more up to date optics and
SSM (as the pics suggest).

Is the Canikon crowd complaining about new cropped lenses too?
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