They announce this mock-up without any details of lens compatibility (or anything of substance at all actually) just before PMA, yet they won't be displaying it? I strongly suspect they created this mock-up in Photoshop - I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even physically exist! When they're supposed to be released later this year, we'll have a real mock-up, and a promise that it will be delivered "in the next few months". And so on it will go, in Samsung's desperate hope that everyone will delay buying into Micro 4/3rds until they actually have something ready to ship some time next year - if they're lucky!
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Samsung's NX announcement is nothing but FUD
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MarkusDaaniel
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Can't really see any advantage to Samsungs' version of 4/3. Larger sensor? Give me a break...
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Maybe they mixed up two different press releases ...
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maybe we should wait till the full details come out from Samsung themselves, lots of speculation with very few facts right now.And let's see what oly have made with the tobacco tin 
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Err dpreview say "Visitors to PMA will be able to view a mockup of the new system on Samsung's stand.":
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030201samsungnxsystem.asp
Exactly how is that different to Olympus's micro fourth thirds performance at Photokina and the complete lack of anything substantive since?
Now that they've actually seen the show floor, they say this:
"The most obvious absense was any sign of the newly-announced Samsung NX system. We believe a mock-up does exist but is being kept under wraps for now."
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2009/Sneak_Peek/
And even if they do eventiually produce a mock-up, it won't change the substance of my post anyway - this announcement is nothing but FUD, and all thay have are mock-ups (either real or in Photoshop).
"The most obvious absense was any sign of the newly-announced Samsung NX system. We believe a mock-up does exist but is being kept under wraps for now."
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2009/Sneak_Peek/
And even if they do eventiually produce a mock-up, it won't change the substance of my post anyway - this announcement is nothing but FUD, and all thay have are mock-ups (either real or in Photoshop).
And who is to say they won't have a press briefing where some senior exec from South Korea will whip out the mockup?
You still haven't explained how anything we have seen from Samsung so far is different from anything we have seen from Olympus on the micro four thirds front?
MarkusDaaniel
Leading Member
Olympus and Panasonic came up with a complete documentation of a standard. And Panny bought out a well developed and mature product soon afterward. Samsung has done nothing, except saying "we are going to make one" and "we are making better system with larger sensor" etc, but has yet to show anything substantial at all.
m4/3 was presented as already drafted standard, that is a spin-off of already working standard. So we know already pretty much what to expect.
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m4/3 was presented as already drafted standard, that is a spin-off of already working standard. So we know already pretty much what to expect.
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Jonas Palm
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Kuppenbender
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It's a very subjective thing, but to me the difference is in the way that Samsung seem to be giving the impression that they have actually 'launched' a new system (although they have chosen their words carefully).
It was made very clear from the outset that the Olympus m43 was just a 'mock-up', and that the eventual released model could be radically different. Olympus (and Panasonic) also gave relatively detailed information about the new lens mount and its compatibility with the 4/3rds system. They were also less bold with their launch date claims.
Samsung have stated that the system will be available in the second half of 2009. I don't think that it's unreasonable to be a little bit sceptical about that, given the lack of information about the lens mount and the unmarked lenses in the press release. Up till now Samsung have only released poorly received digicams and rebadged Pentax DSLRs. They don't have any track record of producing an interchangeable lens camera system.
Sigma had similar problems with their DSLR system and large-sensor compact from the concept and 'launch' anouncement to getting their products in the shops.
Care to point me to a link to the "standard" documentation? Or to a patent document? Or to the organization sanctioning this "standard"? Or any company other than Panasonic which has announced a product which uses or is compatible with the micro 4/3s mount? Thought not.
I wasn't askíng about Panasonic. I was asking about Olympus.
As best as I can tell, m4/3 is a totally Panasonic driven initiative which caught Olympus with their pants down. So far Olympus have said "Yes we will being making micro 4/3s cameras some time in the future, and an executive has held up an orange coloured block of wood with a fake lens on the front and a fake screen on the back and said "and this is what it might look like".
Last year, Samsung announced that they had completed a technical feasibility study for an interchangeable lens camera based around an EVF and expected to have more details available in 2009. Yesterday they released a press statement confirming it will be based on their APS-C sensors and released some images of a prototype or mock up. By the end of PMA, some Samsung executive will probably have held up a black coloured block of wood with a fake lens on the front and a screen glued on the back and said to the assembled press "This is what is might look like".
I am only enquiring has to how this is different to what Olympus have done thus far?
Again, I was enquiring about Olympus not Panasonic.
I don't care what you want to enquire about. The point of my OP is that, so far, NX is nothing but a figment of Samsung's imagination, but they're trying to make out as if they'll have something to sell this year. This is total BS, and obvious FUD.
A few observations:
1. The press release has too much business oriented blabber and too little technicalities regarding the new system.
2. The images shown are straight from Autocad and represent a concept, not a product in its final stages of development.
3. Judging from the scale of the hot shoe, it is tiny. I doubt it if it's possible to produce such a camera at all (with an APS-C sized sensor, that is).
4. Samsung seem very keen to put this kind of product on the shelves ASAP. They first talked about it after the announcement of m4/3 last July, and it is quite possible they could make it a reality in 2010. Obviously they are working very hard to develop the system.
5. And yes, their premature announcement of the NX series is probably an emergency measure in dread of more m4/3 news.
6. It would not surprise me if some top South Korean designers are perfecting an actual mockup this very minute to be flown to PMA without delay.
1. The press release has too much business oriented blabber and too little technicalities regarding the new system.
2. The images shown are straight from Autocad and represent a concept, not a product in its final stages of development.
3. Judging from the scale of the hot shoe, it is tiny. I doubt it if it's possible to produce such a camera at all (with an APS-C sized sensor, that is).
4. Samsung seem very keen to put this kind of product on the shelves ASAP. They first talked about it after the announcement of m4/3 last July, and it is quite possible they could make it a reality in 2010. Obviously they are working very hard to develop the system.
5. And yes, their premature announcement of the NX series is probably an emergency measure in dread of more m4/3 news.
6. It would not surprise me if some top South Korean designers are perfecting an actual mockup this very minute to be flown to PMA without delay.
MarkusDaaniel
Leading Member
Try here:
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/whitepaper.html
I can agree that it has been mostly Panasonics' initiative. But I think the possibility of this kind of system has existed since Olympus E330. So I'm not sure that it was a complete surprise to Olympus (it could have been). But still, they already have a lot of tech from 4/3 because m4/3 is a extension of 4/3. There is also already 10 fully working lenses that can be used with m4/3.
Olympus showed a mock-up already a month after the announcement. But in Samsungs' case there has been nothing but hot air, vaporware and FUD. Their first announcement was probably completely thought up on the run. And the last announcement does not really add anything substantial.
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http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/whitepaper.html
I can agree that it has been mostly Panasonics' initiative. But I think the possibility of this kind of system has existed since Olympus E330. So I'm not sure that it was a complete surprise to Olympus (it could have been). But still, they already have a lot of tech from 4/3 because m4/3 is a extension of 4/3. There is also already 10 fully working lenses that can be used with m4/3.
Olympus showed a mock-up already a month after the announcement. But in Samsungs' case there has been nothing but hot air, vaporware and FUD. Their first announcement was probably completely thought up on the run. And the last announcement does not really add anything substantial.
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boggis the cat
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Samsung could have an entire system ready to roll out, for all I know. Unless you know they don't then I don't see the reason for the post.
Competition for micro 4/3 is inevitable.
Olympus seem to be using the E-620 to shore up the viability of their standard 4/3 system at the moment, which is fine by me. It doesn't imply that Olympus have no micro 4/3 system that they're working on, though, does it? Do you see other people in other forums claiming this? "Olympus micro 4/3 is total FUD."
Nope.
Competition for micro 4/3 is inevitable.
Olympus seem to be using the E-620 to shore up the viability of their standard 4/3 system at the moment, which is fine by me. It doesn't imply that Olympus have no micro 4/3 system that they're working on, though, does it? Do you see other people in other forums claiming this? "Olympus micro 4/3 is total FUD."
Nope.
The 2nd half of 2009 is an ambitious launch for something announced now...
I can see them getting it out if they use a shrunken down Pentax lensmount and such to work off of but if this thing is NOT backwards compatible and heavily borrowing Pentax stuff as might be the case then it will be a flop no matter when it comes out.
I don't think Samsung can push out another camera standard without any legacy support. Sony could do it since it inherited KM, Panasonic could do it since it is working closely with Olympus and there is good cross compatibility with 4/3 so micro 4/3rds users don't feel they are stuck with just the 2 slow kit lenses. If Samsung has broken with Pentax/Hoya I think they will meet the same fate as Sigma DSLR's.
I can see them getting it out if they use a shrunken down Pentax lensmount and such to work off of but if this thing is NOT backwards compatible and heavily borrowing Pentax stuff as might be the case then it will be a flop no matter when it comes out.
I don't think Samsung can push out another camera standard without any legacy support. Sony could do it since it inherited KM, Panasonic could do it since it is working closely with Olympus and there is good cross compatibility with 4/3 so micro 4/3rds users don't feel they are stuck with just the 2 slow kit lenses. If Samsung has broken with Pentax/Hoya I think they will meet the same fate as Sigma DSLR's.
Franka T.L.
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I find it most interesting that people keep needing to go bash other brands , it just reflect their lack of sense of security with the Olympus M4/3 and Olympus effort on the matter. Be fair to the Mfr, Samsung and Olympus.
Let's be sincere and open minded, and welcome Samsung as a new player to the field. And may the best player win. As of now, I had yet to see any for real product except Panasonic G1, so the same argument can pretty much be targeted towards Olympus ( in a fashion )
Instead of keep badmouthing the other brand, I would say lets get some real constructive comment to Olympus instead. For one, let eht Mfr know how we, how you would want the m4/3 be , on its own or with the 4/3 ...
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Let's be sincere and open minded, and welcome Samsung as a new player to the field. And may the best player win. As of now, I had yet to see any for real product except Panasonic G1, so the same argument can pretty much be targeted towards Olympus ( in a fashion )
Instead of keep badmouthing the other brand, I would say lets get some real constructive comment to Olympus instead. For one, let eht Mfr know how we, how you would want the m4/3 be , on its own or with the 4/3 ...
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