What does Fuji have against Histograms?

These F series cameras are designed and priced for kids to take pictures of there mates, or parents shooting there kids.

It's a point and shoot camera and 95% of the people who purchase one would not even know what a histogram is or what to do if it had one.

Fuji are making the camera for the market out there, it would not cost anything to add a histogram as it would only be part of the firmware, but why bother when 95% of people would not even use it!

If anything a serious point and shoot camera should have an EVF as you can't hold a camera steady at arms length anyway and composing a picture through the LCD is not very practical either. The LCD is only 230,000 dot my old TZ5 had 460,000.

Now if they made the camera with an EVF, hot shoe, histogram and a decent LCD and a 6MP CCD you would all be happy but the price would be closer to £500.

Then you would all be moaning it's to expensive and saying I can get a DSLR for that money.

If you want a serious point and shoot buy an LX3, you can even add an EVF. I had one for a week and it took some lovely pictures with it I just did not like the lens sticking out it made it difficult getting in and out of your pocket and then there was the lens cap, either dangling on it's chord or having to put that in your pocket.

It does not matter what the camera manufacturers do some of you will always find something to moan about.

In this economic climate I don't think you are going to see any specialized cameras coming out for at least a year or two.

Buy the F200EXR, if you don't like it sell it on. I am pretty sure in most situations it will blow the pants off the old F30/31FD, and it will probably produce better pictures than the LX3 too.

If anything I would like it to have the ability to add a screw on adapter tube so you could use filters and maybe a telephoto lens.

 
These F series cameras are designed and priced for kids to take
pictures of there mates, or parents shooting there kids.
It's a point and shoot camera and 95% of the people who purchase one
would not even know what a histogram is or what to do if it had one.
Few compact owners use (or even know about) fill flash or slow-sync flash, yet these modes continue to be provided for the few who care. The same is true, to a greater or lesser extent, for other features, such as color temperature.

On a low-end camera, there's good reason to omit APSM shooting modes: A typical user might find himself in the wrong mode and inadvertently dial in the wrong exposure, or fail to find his way back to Program.

But no such risk attends the inclusion of a histogram. Even if the user has displayed it by accident, he will quickly learn that by turning his camera off, then on, he can make the histogram disappear.

So the question is, "When other rarely used features are routinely provided in mass-market cameras, what is it about a histogram that makes its exclusion uniquely appropriate?"

--
Paul S. in Maryland
 
paul613 wrote:
These F series cameras are designed and priced for kids to take
pictures of there mates, or parents shooting there kids.
It's a point and shoot camera and 95% of the people who purchase one
would not even know what a histogram is or what to do if it had one.
Argh!! I can't even express how wrong that statement is! $400 camera - for kids! Meanwhile, Fuji is stating in their brochures that it is a camera for the demanding user! You are either trying to provoke or you're just very ignorant, Paul Till.

Remember how they introduced the F100fd? I'll quote:

"the ultimate ‘F Series’ digital camera", "the most accomplished model in the range yet", "one of the most sophisticated compact digital cameras Fujifilm has ever produced", "the perfect camera for the serious photographer looking for a no-compromise compact digital camera that is well above the average model"

I admit that Fuji has changed the tune in the marketing for F200, since it got criticized about the marketing for F100fd, but the point is that advanced photographs use and wan't to use compact cameras like this. They also want some advanced but BASIC tools like the histogram and manual exposure in the camera.
Few compact owners use (or even know about) fill flash or slow-sync
flash, yet these modes continue to be provided for the few who care.
The same is true, to a greater or lesser extent, for other features,
such as color temperature.

On a low-end camera, there's good reason to omit APSM shooting modes:
A typical user might find himself in the wrong mode and inadvertently
dial in the wrong exposure, or fail to find his way back to Program.

But no such risk attends the inclusion of a histogram. Even if the
user has displayed it by accident, he will quickly learn that by
turning his camera off, then on, he can make the histogram disappear.

So the question is, "When other rarely used features are routinely
provided in mass-market cameras, what is it about a histogram that
makes its exclusion uniquely appropriate?"
Sheer idiocy is the only possible explanation. There can be no other reasonable for excluding one of the MOST useful features on a digicam. Period. I simply can not believe the stamina that some people have for defending Fuji in this! They must be working for the marketing department.

With such poor and small LCD displays that these cameras have, it is impossible to check the level of exposure while photographing in even the lest demanding situation. For example, if there is any sunlight to the LCD display or against the direction to which you're holding the camera, it makes judging exposure from the LCD just impossible ! A simple histogram would make correct exposure in the more demanding situations a breeze.

Those users who want to have no truck with any kind of settings or buttons fiddling besides the shutter release, well they can just turn the histogram off and forget about it. I guess some people really want to do photography as it was 50 years ago (although, even then you could adjust exposure!) and I'm OK with that. For others, who for example wan't to expose the photo as carefully as possible and take as good photographs as possible, it is a valuable tool.

--
pics: http://www.pbase.com/arn
 
Few compact owners use (or even know about) fill flash or slow-sync
flash, yet these modes continue to be provided for the few who care.
The same is true, to a greater or lesser extent, for other features,
such as color temperature.
From what I have seen (and I watch people taking pictures), most compact owners leave the flash on all the time. And it works rather well for them, as we all know from looking at endless flash images on facebook ...

--
http://letkeman.net/Photos
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
Those users who want to have no truck with any kind of settings or
buttons fiddling besides the shutter release, well they can just turn
the histogram off and forget about it. I guess some people really
want to do photography as it was 50 years ago (although, even then
you could adjust exposure!) and I'm OK with that. For others, who for
example wan't to expose the photo as carefully as possible and take
as good photographs as possible, it is a valuable tool.
10 minutes shooting with the G10 will convince almost anyone of the value of a real time histogram and controls on the outside of the camera ...

--
http://letkeman.net/Photos
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
From what I have seen (and I watch people taking pictures), most
compact owners leave the flash on all the time. And it works rather
well for them, as we all know from looking at endless flash images on
facebook ...
Indeed, I have yet to meet a non-enthusiast who knew how to disable his or her flash.
--
Paul S. in Maryland
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top