Do I want a K20D?

Just to add a short comment about portraits: In my opinion there is no camera that does portraits quite as well as Pentax, especially in RAW, and no pentax does it better than the K20D. So for that purpose to me it is THE camera to have.
Good luck with your choice!
 
Go back to that other thread and read my reply to you there. Meanwhile, you are 100% right-on here, just like I said you would forever be!
Regards
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I'd also approach the decision from that angle.

If you're doing mostly portraits, I'd suggest the DA*50-135 for a zoom or the 43/77 primes if you use primes.

Pentax's strengths are for landscape (weathersealing) and portrait (primes) photography, so you should be happy with the results. I upgraded to the K20D for the PC sync port (screwlock connector). The main Pentax weakness is predictive AF in AF-C mode.

You might want to wait 2 weeks until PMA to see what the K30D or whatever the K20D replacement will bring is the only thing I'd suggest. The K20D prices should drop a little after that.

p.s., I also used to be an ancient Minolta XG7 user back in the film days. It was a great bang for buck system. I just wish I chose Pentax back then so I'd have some extra lenses ;-)
 
I tried, but obviously failed. I better not see you get a K20D and come on here whining and moaning after the stern warning I issued. If you end up hooked on Viagra, chewing them like candy...you can't say you weren't warned. I did my best.....but failed, as usual. Why not, I am just another lowly Pentax loser.....
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I'm a second one to advocate Pentax for portraits, and to diminish your doubts about back/front focusing. I have to mention that in K20 they utilized the same service as in Nikon's D3/D300/D700 series - fine focus adjustment for any particular lens, which is a huge deal alone..
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I knew I should have put that tidbit at the end of the post! Even I had trouble getting past it just now upon re-reading.

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Hello Doc:

Welcome to the Pentax SLR forum.

That's a pretty good response for your first ten hours on the blog!

If your background lies in the Minolta camp, you will find the logical operation of the Pentax DSLR system to be very familiar, and the ergonomics are easily the best in the industry.

I will let the other posters describe the many benefits of the Pentax K20D... in this instance, I'll add my two cents from the perspective of a multi-system photographer.

I shoot for magazines, and cover all kinds of events on a regular basis. I shoot with three systems these days, the Hasselblad (film for the real purists), Nikon, and Pentax.

The K20D is an outstanding camera, with very few idiosyncrasies, and excellent metering and auto focus systems. In skilled hands, there is no reason why you can't shoot just about anything with this camera - there are some who say it doesn't focus well in low light, but it does - if you know the technique and become familiar with the equipment. There are some who wish the K20D would focus faster to cover action situations - again, with a bit of practice, and the selection of lenses that tend to focus faster than others, you can work around this - the difference isn't really that substantial between the Pentax and its competition. In many cases it is a matter of technique more than the camera and lens specs - after all, most of the old f@rts posting here took spectacular action images with manual focus systems - it CAN be done, and very effectively.

You do, however, have to pick and choose your lenses after significant research, because there are some beauties, and some that are quite average... as with ANY system, the optics are the critical ingredient.

Check out this thread from the archives for tips on low-light auto focus:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&message=29213895

Now to the heart of the original question.

Do you really need a Nikon to be a professional photographer?

No more than you need hair on your head... it can come in handy at times, but unless you have an obsession for staring at yourself in a mirror, you can't see the name on the camera when you are composing a masterpiece through the viewfinder.

When I shoot Nikon, the images are outstanding, the cameras operate very well, and the enjoyment of the photographic process is quite fulfilling... however, to match or exceed the K20D in terms of results and capabilities, you have to go for a D300 - the D90 is not as pleasurable a camera to shoot with as the K20D, just as the D80 did not measure up to the K10D. The only feature the D90 has that the K20D lacks is video - and personally, when I want video I use a Sony Handycam. Of course, the "burst mode" is a cool feature, but from my perspective it is a rarely-used gimmick.

The Nikon D300 is a pleasure to use, but it is a beast, and in many ways the operator interface is quite a bit more convoluted than the K20D - to the point where it takes much of the "fun" out of photography. I use the Nikon when I need the specific focal lengths that I have in Nikkor optics, but not in Pentax... I use the Pentax when I need the specific focal lengths that I have for the Pentax system. Can I justify owning a 12-24mm Nikon lens when I have a 12-24mm Pentax? Not at all, but I sure wish I had an SMC Pentax 80-200mm f/2.8 FA* lens, even though my Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8 is a treasure.

Do you need a full frame DSLR (at almost double the cost of the D300)? Not really, unless you are enlarging images to wall mural proportions. The APS-C format is quite sufficient for beautiful images up to and often beyond 16 x 20 inches, which is about the largest you are likely to print from a wedding assignment.

Do you need greater resolution than the 14.6MP in thge K20D? Not really, because it can resolve detail so fine that the skin texture of a beautiful bride could detract from the image - that's also why most pros using the Hasselblad system shoot portraits using a Softar filter - to take the edge off the sharpness of the lens... too much detail can be scary!

In summary, to exceed the performance and enjoyment of the Pentax system, you would have to spend more than double for the Nikon body, and significantly more for each lens.

Is the investment worthwhile? Ask me why I shot weddings with a Hasselblad, and the answer is a blend of image quality, and professional image... walk into a major event with top level equipment and you can demand top dollar for your efforts - assuming, of course, that the photographs match (or exceed) the client's expectations! If not, your last assignment may very well be your... last assignment!

Bottom line: if you enjoy the art of photography, either Pentax or Nikon are wonderful choices... handle the cameras and the lenses, and you will form your own preference - from that point forward, it's only a matter of budget.

Norm.

 
wonderful camera,i love mine.
It's not only the 14.6 MP,but the quality and clarity of the colors!

Good shooting.
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I brought the K20D 2 months ago. I could not be more happy. This was my first SLR. You won't be disappointed. Good value for money IMHO.
 
I was also kinda looking to see if there has been any reported
problems with the K20 also, such as backfocus issues or any blinking
lights of death. I haven't seen any reported so I think I may order a
K20D today.
You'll be pleased to know that Pentax have done a lot to quel focus issues on the K20D, even have an incamera menu to callobrate lenses if it ever does occur. It is a sealed body so stuff like humidity corroding contacts etc aren't an issue.

I think you will like the camera, its a photographers camera, silly to say, but in these times of movie modes and scene modes, many cameras are turning into mini PCs.

Not sure what happened with the straight forward advice that normally comes out of this forum, but we on the whole are a pleasant lot, you'll find oly and panasonic veterans a pleanty here, many migrating over thanks to inbody stabalization or the fact that the K mount is able to accept so many lenses, new and old.

Do look into the lenses, thats good advice, and just to show how flexible the camera is, if you have any NP-400 minolta batteries still hanging around, they are compatible!
Good luck
 
I am "Between DSLR's", and I was reading this thread to see what kind of common responses there would be...I am considering a K10D or K20D (depending on my funds after my house sells). I want a real pentaprism this time around. Used or New.

I started reading your "Rant", and realized right away, you love your Pentax and all it's features...actually it's a great recommendation for Pentax.

Your Wife "Should" be proud of you great oratory, full of wit and humor.
Glad you have a sense of humor...You say "good"...my wife says I am a
"smart ass", and she probably has plenty of company here, but I just
go on my way.....and have tons of fun! There is a time for every
purpose under the heaven....even for fools like me!
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If they can't read between the lines, wide as I left the spaces, they will never be able to operate a K20D anyhow, will get one and then begin to whine and complain, switch to another brand, come back here to flaunt their "new and better" camera, and I will have to spend a lot of time showing them the ignorance of their ways. So...you might say I am just "cutting out the middle man".
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I also had a similar decision earlier than you. My last film system was the Maxxum 9. But it took Minolta too long to bring the 7D out so I went back to Pentax as I still had some lenses left. I invested in the *ist D when it came out and I liked it. I'm sure I would have liked the 7D when it finally did come out but I had sold all my pro Minolta mount lenses. However the next group of Pentax bodies were all less than that to me as they did not have vertical grips which I use a lot. So I next bought the K10D. Liked that a lot also but it had a few issues that did not bother me at all really. Did not plan on getting a K20D as I usually don't buy consecutive models. In the mean time I also acquired a Canon 20D system and then switched to a 30D body. While it is nice in some ways (I did shoot EOS film cameras once also) I am currently selling that equipment as it is just not as user friendly or have the option of using good manual lenses from the past, which I like. However when the Internet price of the K20D came down to below $700 I could not resist buying one. Glad I did. Besides using the grip from the K10D it answered all of the shortcoming I found with the K10D. So right now I'm happy as a clam, using my old *ist D as a backup plus using a lot of great manual and AF lenses.

If I had hung around for the 7D I may have stayed with it until something like the A700 came out, in which case I may also have had an A900 currently as well. But I don't plan on changing at this time. I know how to shoot sports without having a 1000 fps camera so 3 fps is not an issue with me. I like the fact that the camera can shoot native DNG RAW format as my brother the pro gives me unused copies he gets of PSE and other programs (I like PSP XI).

So think over what you need from a camera and decide if that will do the job you want it to. If it does fine if not then pick one that does. But be aware that in general every system has both advantages and shortcomings.
Kent Gittings
 
I have a K20D and love it, it is a dream camera, when considering how
it performs and what it costs. I used to think there were others here
that felt the same, but after spending (too much) time in this

thread, http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=30940363 I have come to realize that there are many here that think Pentax is not "up to par". There was a time when Pentax defenders would come out in droves to defend their cameras and expose the wonderful attributes of owning Pentax. Nowadays, a guy that buys a Canon or Nikon is a virtual "hero" to be praised and considered "genius". Since the mob rules, and is surely right, I would not recommend a Pentax. Most of those former supporters have left and bought "real" cameras, and I am sure you want a "real camera" not a second rate "wanna be".
Some of the reasons you might not want a K20D:
It is too cheap. At current pricing around $700-$800, you are just
not going to impress your friends or family with a purchase that is
obviously "not worth much". Get yourself a real camera for $3-$8K and
you will feel more like a "real" man with a "real" camera. Some even
say they "grow a little" and get an improved sex life when buying an
big expensive camera. I can't verify that, but I know it will sure
give you "hero status" on this Forum
The K20D IQ is just too damn good, it rivals those big expensive
Canons and Nikons, costing thousands more. I can't explain why this
is bad...but trust me, it is. There is something that is just not
fair for a lowly Pentax to rival the "real" cameras, and Lord knows,
we want to be fair here.
The AF speed is so pathetic that you can't get focus unless you have
a backup Canon or Nikon in your bag. It is just not practical to use
the Pentax AF unless you have all day to get the shot. Test charts
printed and posted on this Forum in the past few days showing Pentax
is very close to C&N in AF speed have no bearing here....facts just
get in the way of owning a "real" camera, and should never be
regarded as useful in making a purchase. The fact (remember,
disregard anything factual) that Pentax AF is highly accurate should
not count for anything special. After all, it is just the name up
front that boosts your sexual prowess.
The SR on the K20D is stunningly effective, but not something "real"
shooters would ever want to have available. "Real" shooters don't
rely on "gimmicks" like this, they don't care if their shots are
blurry, they just print it and tell you to like it...and you had
better like it, they are after all big heroes on this Forum.
The Main Reason...Take your pick....It is not a teeny-tiny
"Casio-like" shirt pocket camera that will let you walk about with a
two foot Bigma attached, pretending you are an undercover agent and
avoiding detection by those you wish to fool into thinking you don't
have a camera at all. I know, this defies logic, but we already
covered that, and logic is for fools...apparently.
The Second Main Reason....The K20D is not a FF camera. My friend, I
beg you, do not buy any camera that is not a FF camera. I have
learned here over time that FF is the Holy Grail of cameras. FF can
walk...and talk....and glow in the dark. There is nothing FF can't
do, and do better by a mile. It is your very manhood at stake here,
if you want to be a man, you will leave all the "boys of Pentax"
behind and get yourself a FF camera. With one of these babies, you
can go from an novice shooter, disoriented and unsure of what you
want, to a Forum hero of Pro status, ready to change the world of
photography with your new FF machine. Your whole life will change
overnight...all your photos will win you world acclaim, your love
life will go through the stratosphere, and even the Pope will kiss
your hand.


There are plenty of other great reasons not to buy a K20D, but these
are just a few I have learned here over time. Save yourself now, hit
the "Clear all Data" and erase your tracks to this Forum, go over to
a "real" Forum and get yourself a "real" camera.
BTW- Those other Forums are the most friendly places in the
world...it is like being at your own birthday party.... if you are a
newbie there, they treat you like you are the Queen and even send out
representatives to visit with you and cater to your every
desire......I read it right here.
Regards, Good Luck, and if you are as smart as I am hoping you are..I
will never see you here again.
Rupert
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Your "not trying to put you off pentax post" ,You missed out Pentax dslrs are not made in the usa or japan europe or china ,but in a superb new factory in that Pacific south sea paradise island of Cebu in the Philippines ,so K20D comes from Paradise, is my point of view, and is heavenly.

Pentax lenses are made in vietnam lovely build and superb quaility l, I truly love my very nice k100Ds, it is so well put together, and feels so good in my hands,, wish I could afford a K20D.sigh !.

RhoDA*
 

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