Many masts of Newlyn (pics, pano and history)

Thank you Joe!

You may be interested in my answer to Walter's technical questions. I did a nice bit of layering of different exposures to get the best control of light.

I have a few pictures of Whitby Harbour too. Whitby is still active but not at the scale of Newlyn. I am fond of Whitby.

Yes, the recycling at Newlyn is impressive. The net reclaim area has notices about the importance of recycling. The link I gave for the description of the renovation of Ripple also explains how much they have made use of recycled materials. Indeed, no new hardwood at all has been used in the reconstruction.

Thank you for looking and I greatly value your comments.

Stephen

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Norman, thank you for such a detailed and generous comment.

Perhaps you are too generous with your assessment of my skill. I think that a lot of the cleverness is down to the writers of PtGui, which I used to stitch the images.

I handheld the camera - not even on a tripod. The boats would have been rocking. To some extent, I picked my moment for pressing the shutter on the 8 consecutive component shots.

But PtGui is great at identifying the overlap and it warps the images to match. I also have installed an independently developed plugin for PtGui. It can sense when the same feature appears in more than one place in an image and ignore all but one of them. It is great when stitching images that have moving people or cars. It avoids repeating the object. Very, very clever software.

All I do is get the exposure right and ensure enough overlap between images for PtGui to do its job properly.

I like the idea of the jigsaw puzzle. As the world's worst marketer, I must research that. Thank you for the suggestion. If you have any specific jigsaw puzzle manufacturers in mind, I would be grateful for a nudge.

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Great panos! I wonder how you did with the big snow in the emerald Isles? I see that London had quite a bit of snow. It's good that you guys and gals have a chance to experience snow once in awhile. Actually I thought that weather wise England gets its fair share of overcast days-not too much snow.

Anyway, I am only kidding. Your work is outstanding and I really appreciate looking at it.

Keep up the good work!
Respectfully,
David MIller

Herbert, you are so kind!

Do you mean you actually read the long article that I linked to? They gave a huge amount of detail about the reconstruction of Ripple, way beyond my understanding.

Herbert Bishko said:

On my montor the big pano popped up almost immediately, barely any
wait. - optimized processing. My 17" MacBook screen was obviously
too small and I naturally had to scroll both up and down and sideways
to see it all. Stephen this is an absolutely masterful pano.
Congratulations!

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Thank you!

The fact that it popped up quickly is because I aggressively compressed the jpeg down to 2MB. It is surprising how much you can compress a well sharpened jpeg and not generate artefacts for web posting.

Herbert Bishko said:

From your bug photos i know that you are armed with the necessary
patience to scout the site for the right position, wait for the
weather and carefully calculate and make each click. Then like a
maestro conducting the orchestra, you stitch it all together together
till it sounds magnificent. Applause - Bravo!

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Thank you. I probably took an hour or so to prepare and make the shots - walking along the harbour for the best viewpoint, testing exposures (no metering with Zeiss lenses on the S3), making the shots.

Herbert Bishko said:

I particularly like the saturated reds that pops everything to life.

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I don't think I had to do anything special for those, except get the exposure right. Hyperutilities makes a great job of colour in conversion from raw with colour set to "high". I usually do increase vibrancy of colours in PP in LAB colour, but I don't think I had to do anything to the reds in this image. By the way, setting colour to "ORG" followed by steeper processing in LAB colour in Photoshop achieves a very similar effect with most images. I find that "high" colour is a better starting point for most of my colour.

Herbert Bishko said:

And the detail is exceptional. I can well understand why you chose
the S3 over the S5 for this.

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Certainly a reason for preferring the S3. But I did not yet own an S5 when I shot the images, so this is perhaps a forced choice! Given both cameras, I would have chosen the S3 though. A lot of the detail is down to good exposure, a good lens, converting without sharpening and then some careful and varied sharpening in PP. See my answer to Walter for more.

Herbert Bishko said:

distant couple on the yacht near the harbor entrance. I notice that
two of the boats have the name "Penzance" on them. Brought back
memories from the time when i was about ten and took part in the
chorus of a school operetta by Gilbert & Sullivan - "The Pirates of
Penzance". I still remember "Climbing over rocky mountains…"

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Oh yes, Pirates of Penzance. I had forgotten all about that.

There may be only two boats with Penzance in the name. But a lot of them have PZ in their registration number. Those are Penzance registrations.

Herbert Bishko said:

Yes indeed Stephen - interesting and entertaining. But how about
educating - like Walter, my curiosity is all-a-bubble about how many
pics, stitch technology, processing, lens, settings etc? In time I
hope all will be revealed here

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I have now posted a detailed answer to Walter's questions which I think covers yours too. I'm glad you are interested. I hope the answer to Walter tells you what you want to know. Please feel free to ask more.

Herbert Bishko said:

As for 'posting too many images' as far as I'm concerned there's
ample room for more…

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Ah well. I have a few more series to go before I run out of material. It will probably be a month before I have the next one ready though. For as long as kind folk such as you keep looking and commenting, I shall post more series.

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Oh yes, lots of fun!

Thank you for the nice comment, David. I am always pleased when you look.

Though the UK is tiny, its weather varies over a mere few tens of miles. Most of the snow this time was in the little South East corner. When severe weather occurs anywhere near London, it makes headline news ;-)

Here in Yorkshire, we got some snow but not very much. I went out for a play around in it today. Took a few pictures but nothing share-worthy. We had about 3 inches.

You are right about our surfeit of cloudy overcast days. Sunshine like that lovely light I had in Newlyn is wonderful for bringing out the colours in the boats.

My next series will probably be another Yorkshire one. Then another from Cornwall or Devon.

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Stephen,You need an agent! That is one breathtaking pano it has to be said!My only regret is that i have arrived in the thread too late and all the best superlatives have already been used up.I can't actually remember studying a single image,on this,or any other forum,for as long as i have this pano.I scoured all the masts for signs of pirates,but alas found none.That leads me to the conclusion that the only jolly Rodgers' present was behind the camera High calibre work and no mistake.Thank you for posting this series,but also for continuing to help me,amongst countless others,up that steep learning curve.
It is very much appreciated.

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claypaws said:

Norman, thank you for such a detailed and generous comment.

Perhaps you are too generous with your assessment of my skill. I
think that a lot of the cleverness is down to the writers of PtGui,
which I used to stitch the images.

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I don't think I was too generous, but it has subsequently occurred to me since posting this that I did a pano last summer that includes a watery bay with bobbing boats and it never occurred to me that it was any great feat. I am still taken with your marvellous shot though.

claypaws said:

I handheld the camera - not even on a tripod. The boats would have
been rocking. To some extent, I picked my moment for pressing the
shutter on the 8 consecutive component shots.

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Yeah, I feel there is too much emphasis placed on technology, by some (IMHO), to get nodal points, control angles, etc. I don't know if I would have risked it without a tripod but if you are careful, why not? I use a tripod with a level and degree markings to roughly estimate the rate of turn each time. I don't recall posting any panos here before. If I did I don't recall that it received much interest.

If it is of interest I created the flash movie on the front page of this site from a pano taken with my S2 on a tripod: http://www.bnb-tayvallich.co.uk/ You need to wait a few seconds for the image to move. I can thoroughly recommend this establishment as excellent accommodation and the location an ideal place to holiday.

claypaws said:

But PtGui is great at identifying the overlap and it warps the images
to match. I also have installed an independently developed plugin for
PtGui. It can sense when the same feature appears in more than one
place in an image and ignore all but one of them. It is great when
stitching images that have moving people or cars. It avoids repeating
the object. Very, very clever software.

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I must investigate this software. It has done an excellent job. I have just been using PS CS2 and it has serious limitations. (Maybe some would argue that I should pay more attention to nodal points )

claypaws said:

I like the idea of the jigsaw puzzle. As the world's worst marketer,
I must research that. Thank you for the suggestion. If you have any
specific jigsaw puzzle manufacturers in mind, I would be grateful for
a nudge.

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I don't have specifics but I'm sure you'll have heard of Google, and if there is too much noise there to find useful information a quick trip to Woolies, oh no too late, or maybe your favourite local equivalent store for some hands on market research could help.

Some local shops could be interested for framed prints.
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I also own the Nodal Ninja and took it on holiday to Eastern Canada and the US a couple of years ago. The only issue, and a major one, is the time I can spend with setup, etc. After that trip I decided to try my "hand" at hand held panos.

However, your use of the G10 is intriguing. I owned an earlier version but did not like the results but your comments are causing me to rethink a new purchase. Certainly a cam that size is easier to manipulate and I would try, again the Ninja before venturing out on another trip.

Bob

Walter S Matthews said:

Bob, I already own the Nodal Ninja that works really well.

I have posted a few panos from using it but now that I have the Canon
G10 I plan to make a few more. The advantage of using a camera like
the G10, especially in good light at ISO 80, is the tremendous
(almost infinite) depth of field you get at F8 on the 28mm setting.

The resolution of the camera significantly exceeds my S5 at ISO 80
and once the distances have been set on the pano head for a specific
focal length, pano's should be very easy to accomplish. Moreover, the
increased DOF should bring a welcome improvement to shots where the
foreground is included. I have been pretty disappointed in some of
my DSLR pano attempts where close objects are just OOF.

No, I won't be getting the contraption you found and honestly, I
think it is too expensive to sell very many, too heavy to carry
around and who needs to make pano photographs in their home. Would
someone buy a 4 pound device to put their half a pound camera in? I
don't think so.

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Thank you Scott.

It is good to see you here!

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ny pixelpost said:

I don't think I was too generous, but it has subsequently occurred to
me since posting this that I did a pano last summer that includes a
watery bay with bobbing boats and it never occurred to me that it was
any great feat. I am still taken with your marvellous shot though.

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Thank you. Probably, this shot made you think it was a great feat just because there are so incredibly many boats bobbing around

ny pixelpost said:

ny pixelpost said:

I handheld the camera - not even on a tripod. The boats would have
been rocking. To some extent, I picked my moment for pressing the
shutter on the 8 consecutive component shots.

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Yeah, I feel there is too much emphasis placed on technology, by some
(IMHO), to get nodal points, control angles, etc. I don't know if I
would have risked it without a tripod but if you are careful, why
not? I use a tripod with a level and degree markings to roughly
estimate the rate of turn each time. I don't recall posting any panos
here before. If I did I don't recall that it received much interest.

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It needs concentration without a tripod. I use the viewfinder gridlines to place the overlap between frames. I want the right third of the previous frame to overlap the left third of the next frame. Similarly top third and bottom third if I need two rows. It is not hard once you get used to it. (I don't do difficult things;-)) Big overlap makes it easier for PtGui.

ny pixelpost said:

If it is of interest I created the flash movie on the front page of
this site from a pano taken with my S2 on a tripod:
http://www.bnb-tayvallich.co.uk/ You need to wait a few seconds for
the image to move. I can thoroughly recommend this establishment as
excellent accommodation and the location an ideal place to holiday.

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That is a lovely pano. My compliments to the tripod...err.. photographer. Oh..it was you. Well done for getting it into their website. Looks like a nice place to stay.

ny pixelpost said:

ny pixelpost said:

But PtGui is great at identifying the overlap and it warps the images
to match. I also have installed an independently developed plugin for
PtGui. It can sense when the same feature appears in more than one
place in an image and ignore all but one of them. It is great when
stitching images that have moving people or cars. It avoids repeating
the object. Very, very clever software.

Click to expand...

I must investigate this software. It has done an excellent job. I
have just been using PS CS2 and it has serious limitations. (Maybe
some would argue that I should pay more attention to nodal points )

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PtGui is extremely clever. It was developed from some free tools originally (panotools). Panotools has no real Gui interface and is really difficult to use. They bolted a Gui onto it and then further developed it. There is a considerable amount of sophisticated mathematics in recognising image overlap and warping frames to fit, let alone recognising and correcting for objects that appear more than once.

I read a bit of some of the algorithms they use but it gets rapidly very difficult to understand.

I think it is rather like the clever folk who develop raw converters. You need to get obsessive about it if you are to stand much chance of overcoming the difficulties. Photoshop tries to do everything. Often, a dedicated software from an obsessive enthusiast (meant entirely complimentarily) will be much better.

ny pixelpost said:

ny pixelpost said:

I like the idea of the jigsaw puzzle. As the world's worst marketer,
I must research that. Thank you for the suggestion. If you have any
specific jigsaw puzzle manufacturers in mind, I would be grateful for
a nudge.

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ny pixelpost said:

I don't have specifics but I'm sure you'll have heard of Google, and
if there is too much noise there to find useful information a quick
trip to Woolies, oh no too late, or maybe your favourite local
equivalent store for some hands on market research could help.

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That's funny about Woolies - well funny unless you used to work there, I suppose. But you are right. I shall have to go into some anonymous retailer like WH Smith and have a look at the jigsaw puzzles.

ny pixelpost said:

Some local shops could be interested for framed prints.

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Something else I have never investigated. I do need an agent.

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Thanks Bob. I am not at all precious about my technique or the lack of it. Handheld usually works for me. I will do anything that works, often fully realising it could be done better. The more clutter I carry around, the less likely I am to take any photos at all. I use a tripod for night shots though!

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Thank you for the generous comment. I much appreciate it. No problem coming late to the thread. It helps keep it afloat ;-)

You are right about one thing. I do need an agent. It would be nice to see the pano being used or sold or something but I am so hopeless at that kind of thing.

I am glad you looked at it for a long time. That is a fine compliment.

As for continuing to help, thanks for the comment. I enjoy doing it. One day, someone will work out that I know nothing. I always used to think that in every job I ever did but nobody ever sacked me, to my great surprise. I always struggle up that learning curve too.
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Man, thats a great pano - very well done and the view is very nice indeed.

I just took about 3 minutes cloning out that text and the picture is ready to go into my plotter ... thanks for doing such small logos and mostly in the sea and sky

Its always nice to see some fine pictures with a good story behind - thanks for sharing that.

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Paulo, my friend, thank you for the nice comment. I am really glad you looked.

Did you manage to clone out the stamps I put underneath the boats? Those explode when you try to print and the entire harbour is destroyed ;-)

Glad you liked the story too.

I notice you did not need to use Google Earth to work out where I was standing this time

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Excellent Series as always Stephen.. I spend many an evening walking along the pier seeing who's in and who's out of the harbour and its one of the rare times these days that I carry only the S3.

Your pano does the harbour great justice and you were lucky enough to have the majority of the fleet home for the shot. Those beamers always make great shots across the harbour.

I pass the exact spot you took your shots almost every evening, My old Volkswagen preferring the ride through Mousehole to my home above than Newlyn Hil, and I Never tire of the viewl.

I'm really glad to have dropped in tonight, so much so I may just go now and post my latest S3 shots and the first real snow in Cornwall in the last 20 years..
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And I am glad you looked in too. Thanks Mel.

I meant to reply yesterday evening but my ISP crashed and stayed down until this morning.

I certainly was lucky that the whole fleet was there. I was in fcat on my way back from Mousehole too, so I know exactly the road you travel.

If you get the chance, I wonder if you might take a shot of the display area for the Ripple reconstruction that is on the other side of the road from the harbour, near where they moor Ripple. For some reason I cannot quite fathom, I did not shoot it myself when I was there. If you want to post it into this thread, it would be a useful addition to it.

Thank you for your nice comments. And I have visited and commented on your spectacular Cornwall snow series.

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Hi Steven,

absolutely no problem, I'll getb that shot for you as soon as possible and add it in.. also perhaps the next time I see him out of the harbour with sails aloft (nice old looking reddy brown sails) I'll grab that shot too.. (I know I have one but where? lol)
just on my way out up to Stithians now for a spot of wildlife photography.
Have a good day

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Very nice Stephen. The pano is great but I really appreciate the still life shots, with their fine mixture of pattern, color, and texture (#2 is my favorite).

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Thanks Mel. I look forward to the shot of the display.

Seeing Ripple in full sail would also be fascinating.

Enjoy the wildlife.

Stephen
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