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Or maybe is the Nikon D100 better ?

I have to shoot underwater in x-trem circumstances and low light, sometimes you have to act fast.

I do have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera (with an underwater house from Gates) - and it´s bloody incredible !
But, the video camera makes very poor still-image´s !
Gates also makes an house for the Sony F707.
So, is the Sony F707 a really good investment ??

Is it really worht it and can you make big print´s and poster´s in a professional printing machine ?
When I looked at the camera in a store - I didn´t get any feeling...
Or is the Nikon D100 a better choice and solution ?!!

What do YOU think ?

Take care.
Thank you,
Artist and Diver.
 
The Canon D60 is a better choice over the Nikon D100 unless you already have a lot of Nikon lenses.

But the short of it is that the Sony will get the job done for a whole lot less.

One caveat if your expecting to sync it to an external flash the only one that the camera will sync to is the Sony F1000. It's a digital connection that is propriatary. And the only way to get by the on built in flash's preflash is to......you guessed it.......by the Sony external flash. (In case you were thinking of slaving the other flash.)

Of course if most of your photography is in shallow water with good light or you use the photofloods then it won't matter.
 
How do you figure that? What supporting images/documentation lead you to this solid-sounding conclusion? ;-)
LM2 said:
The Canon D60 is a better choice over the Nikon D100 unless you
already have a lot of Nikon lenses.
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Ulysses said:
How do you figure that? What supporting images/documentation lead
you to this solid-sounding conclusion? ;-)
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Just my biased unreasoned hatred of all things Nikon.
Hey it's an opinion......I'll be sure and label it as such next time.

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Heheheh... you simply sounded so sure that I was certain that you had some data to back that up. For what it's worth, the D60 does in fact produce images that are somewhat cleaner in terms of noise.

But the D100 is definitely no slouch here. And in some areas, it's doing better than the D60. For instance, its autofocus. Color is very, very nice, too.
LM2 said:
Just my biased unreasoned hatred of all things Nikon.
Hey it's an opinion......I'll be sure and label it as such next time.
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Ulysses
 
I really do dislike Nikon but your right if I were to move up to a digital SLR I would consider the D100.

I was just grumpy because the FedX guy is apparently running behind and he has my 87c filter with him ";^)
Ulysses said:
Heheheh... you simply sounded so sure that I was certain that you
had some data to back that up. For what it's worth, the D60 does in
fact produce images that are somewhat cleaner in terms of noise.

But the D100 is definitely no slouch here. And in some areas, it's
doing better than the D60. For instance, its autofocus. Color is
very, very nice, too.
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Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
I do know a little about digital.

I have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera - it´s the best and most expensive, check it out.

So, maybe I sound a little naiv (I don´t care) I see things and I know how to make good things.
And I also like good expensive equipment - so, I will be safe for a while...
My question is - here in the Sony Forum Talk - is the Sony F707 good or what ?!

If I make some photos underwater (deep down, man...) and I take out the Memory-stick and give it to my printer, who has a printing machine that costs a lot of million of dollars - does the Sony do a good job for big prints and posters ??
It´s a simple question... so, can I get a straight answer "in english" ?
Or do you think the Nikon D100 is better ?
I dont want to know about the D60 (it´s not my cup of tee).

Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
Artist and Diver.
 
The D100 will be better. End of discussion, particularly for photos deep down where flash and lights will be an issue. Go for it.

The Sony, while it can do the job, and will give good prints even at poster size, has other issues with flash support that you shouldn't have to deal with. I wouldn't want to deal with them in that environment.
Just my opinion.......LM
diver said:
Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
I do know a little about digital.
I have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera - it´s the best and most
expensive, check it out.
So, maybe I sound a little naiv (I don´t care) I see things and I
know how to make good things.
And I also like good expensive equipment - so, I will be safe for a
while...
My question is - here in the Sony Forum Talk - is the Sony F707
good or what ?!
If I make some photos underwater (deep down, man...) and I take out
the Memory-stick and give it to my printer, who has a printing
machine that costs a lot of million of dollars - does the Sony do a
good job for big prints and posters ??
It´s a simple question... so, can I get a straight answer "in
english" ?
Or do you think the Nikon D100 is better ?
I dont want to know about the D60 (it´s not my cup of tee).

Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
Artist and Diver.
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hehe,

if you take photos with really that low of lighting... i dont think any digital camera under $1500 will do a decent job... i suppose you could bump up the ISO to iso 400, but your pictures would be all grainy.

are you looking for good quality pictures - if so then get a digital SLR.

:)
diver said:
Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
I do know a little about digital.
I have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera - it´s the best and most
expensive, check it out.
So, maybe I sound a little naiv (I don´t care) I see things and I
know how to make good things.
And I also like good expensive equipment - so, I will be safe for a
while...
My question is - here in the Sony Forum Talk - is the Sony F707
good or what ?!
If I make some photos underwater (deep down, man...) and I take out
the Memory-stick and give it to my printer, who has a printing
machine that costs a lot of million of dollars - does the Sony do a
good job for big prints and posters ??
It´s a simple question... so, can I get a straight answer "in
english" ?
Or do you think the Nikon D100 is better ?
I dont want to know about the D60 (it´s not my cup of tee).

Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
Artist and Diver.
Click to expand...
 
LM2 said:
The D100 will be better. End of discussion, particularly for
photos deep down where flash and lights will be an issue. Go for
it.

The Sony, while it can do the job, and will give good prints even
at poster size, has other issues with flash support that you
shouldn't have to deal with. I wouldn't want to deal with them in
that environment.
Just my opinion.......LM
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WELL, when he's down deep underwater with low lighting he's probably going to be shooting at f2 anyways, so the f1000 issues are less of an issue (they only come up at higher fstops). however, i'm real curious how external flashes work underwater. do they have rubber housings for those too? hehe.

i think all consumer-level digicams don't do well with low-light and especially no or little flash...
 
Get the Nikon D1x ... it's the best and most expensive. I'm sure someone must have an underwater housing ... or you could have it custom made.

Geoff
diver said:
Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
I do know a little about digital.
I have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera - it´s the best and most
expensive, check it out.
So, maybe I sound a little naiv (I don´t care) I see things and I
know how to make good things.
And I also like good expensive equipment - so, I will be safe for a
while...
My question is - here in the Sony Forum Talk - is the Sony F707
good or what ?!
If I make some photos underwater (deep down, man...) and I take out
the Memory-stick and give it to my printer, who has a printing
machine that costs a lot of million of dollars - does the Sony do a
good job for big prints and posters ??
It´s a simple question... so, can I get a straight answer "in
english" ?
Or do you think the Nikon D100 is better ?
I dont want to know about the D60 (it´s not my cup of tee).

Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
Artist and Diver.
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michaelmichael said:
WELL, when he's down deep underwater with low lighting he's
probably going to be shooting at f2 anyways, so the f1000 issues
are less of an issue (they only come up at higher fstops).
however, i'm real curious how external flashes work underwater. do
they have rubber housings for those too? hehe.

i think all consumer-level digicams don't do well with low-light
and especially no or little flash...
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Those are not the issues I'm thinking of.

There are lots of flashes available for underwater work and most require standard sync signals. Why should you limit yourself to working with the F1000 flash from Sony?

This guy sounds like maybe (I didn't ask) he does this for a living. Why else would you need poster size prints?

For professional work get professional equiptment not prosumer equiptment. Me I'd take the 707 on a dive, but then I have lower expectations and will never be printing at poster size in order to make a living at it.
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Whenever I feel blue......I start breathing again.
 
These sound like questions you should be asking divers, not us amateurs. My guess is you should stick with film; maybe even medium format. I'm delighted with the 16"x21" prints I make from my f707 and a large format plotter, but that doesn't necessarily mean you would be, or that it would do as well at great depths. Probably the most important part of the equation is what kind of photographer you are. Just an opinion.

Wes
diver said:
Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
I do know a little about digital.
I have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera - it´s the best and most
expensive, check it out.
So, maybe I sound a little naiv (I don´t care) I see things and I
know how to make good things.
And I also like good expensive equipment - so, I will be safe for a
while...
My question is - here in the Sony Forum Talk - is the Sony F707
good or what ?!
If I make some photos underwater (deep down, man...) and I take out
the Memory-stick and give it to my printer, who has a printing
machine that costs a lot of million of dollars - does the Sony do a
good job for big prints and posters ??
It´s a simple question... so, can I get a straight answer "in
english" ?
Or do you think the Nikon D100 is better ?
I dont want to know about the D60 (it´s not my cup of tee).

Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
Artist and Diver.
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Wes
 
diver said:
Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
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You've full of quite a bit of French yourself. :-))

If you want answers from people who know and who can give it to you straight, the way you say you want it, then you need to take the advice given earlier and figure out exactly what your usage habits and patterns are going to be.

Owning a camcorder is nothing like owning a still camera.

Wiith each type of camera, there are trade-offs. With the lower priced digicam, you will need to determine whether you can tolerate the higher noise levels, and perhaps some color inconsistencies. If you're going to be doing image editing anyway, and you need more money for other accessories, and if you intend to print and/or reduce the size of your images, then these are excellent options.

If you can stand the weight of a D-SLR, don't mind lugging around the extra gear and lenses required, can put up with having to clean the sensor every now and then, and also have no qualms about being locked into a particular system that you need to support the camera you decide upon, then the D-SLR will produce consistently better images, overall. Of course, again if you reduce the size of them for online usage or small prints, then it won't matter, and you might have too much camera for your needs.

At this point, we know nothing much about what it is that you want.

At this point, my other recommendation to you, with only four posts underneath your belt here, is to treat others in the STF with a bit more respect and tact. You'll get far more useful responses that way, even if some of it is not to your liking.

You will find wisdom In a multitude of counselors... if you can get them to respond positively first. :-)

Enjoy!
 
I wish I could have said all of that. Well put.

Wes
Ulysses said:
diver said:
Sorry my French... But, I do need some answers !
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You've full of quite a bit of French yourself. :-))

If you want answers from people who know and who can give it to you
straight, the way you say you want it, then you need to take the
advice given earlier and figure out exactly what your usage habits
and patterns are going to be.

Owning a camcorder is nothing like owning a still camera.

Wiith each type of camera, there are trade-offs. With the lower
priced digicam, you will need to determine whether you can tolerate
the higher noise levels, and perhaps some color inconsistencies. If
you're going to be doing image editing anyway, and you need more
money for other accessories, and if you intend to print and/or
reduce the size of your images, then these are excellent options.

If you can stand the weight of a D-SLR, don't mind lugging around
the extra gear and lenses required, can put up with having to clean
the sensor every now and then, and also have no qualms about being
locked into a particular system that you need to support the camera
you decide upon, then the D-SLR will produce consistently better
images, overall. Of course, again if you reduce the size of them
for online usage or small prints, then it won't matter, and you
might have too much camera for your needs.

At this point, we know nothing much about what it is that you want.

At this point, my other recommendation to you, with only four posts
underneath your belt here, is to treat others in the STF with a bit
more respect and tact. You'll get far more useful responses that
way, even if some of it is not to your liking.

You will find wisdom In a multitude of counselors... if you can get
them to respond positively first. :-)

Enjoy!
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Wes
 
diver said:
Or maybe is the Nikon D100 better ?
I have to shoot underwater in x-trem circumstances and low light,
sometimes you have to act fast.
I do have the Sony PD-150 DVCAM video camera (with an underwater
house from Gates) - and it´s bloody incredible !
But, the video camera makes very poor still-image´s !
Gates also makes an house for the Sony F707.
So, is the Sony F707 a really good investment ??
Is it really worht it and can you make big print´s and poster´s in
a professional printing machine ?
When I looked at the camera in a store - I didn´t get any feeling...
Or is the Nikon D100 a better choice and solution ?!!

What do YOU think ?

Take care.
Thank you,
Artist and Diver.
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are you prepared to spend another g-wiz(g-note) on a underwater housing for watever camera you buy???
If so, just go to http://www.wetpixel.com

Theres a photo of an underwater housing for the 707 there and do check out the galleries on top of the page.
Heres a nice underwater gallery taken with a Sony mavica FD7
http://www.emmette.com/water.htm

its not the camera...its the photographer

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diver said:
It´s a simple question... so, can I get a straight answer "in
english" ?
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Sorry to say that the question is not at all simple. There are plenty of variables and we can't guess at what they are...

Rick.
 
Whoa! Hadn't seen that housing. With a sync to an external strobe no less. I take back everything I said. I think now that it would be easily doable with a 707.

In my defense I notice they only just announced the housing.
I wonder if the wife would notice the ding in the MasterCard account?
 
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