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Just out of curiosity I'd like to now who sold his 1d in favor of the 5Dmk2. I do have the 1Dmk3 myself but consider switching to the 5D. Reason for me would be: a lighter body (traveling) and bigger files (I sell big prints). But ... I love the feel of the 1-serie bodies. So didn't make up my mind yet.
 
[B] Jeroen said:
Just out of curiosity I'd like to now who sold his 1d in favor of the
5Dmk2. I do have the 1Dmk3 myself but consider switching to the 5D.
Reason for me would be: a lighter body (traveling) and bigger files
(I sell big prints). But ... I love the feel of the 1-serie bodies.
So didn't make up my mind yet.
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I'm mostly a sports shooter and have a pair of MkIII's. However, I recently picked up a 5DII which I will use for larger group shots and I'm currently using it for some theater work.

After 8 years of shooting 1-series bodies, getting used to the 5D is very difficult. The camera takes decent images but eveything about it is toy-like compared to the 1-series. What I really wanted was a 1DsMkIII but I cheaped-out and got the 5D. I keep telling myself it is less than 1/2 the price of the 1Ds but it is so different. I keep going for options and menu choices that have become second nature for me but are sadly are only available on the 1-series.

The first time I shot with two cameras and slung the 5D over my shoulder it was in some crazy mode when I brought it back up to my eye. Apparently the mode dial rubbed against my hip and switched into one of the "creative" modes. Oh how I hate those.

So now I have to contend with two different battery systems and a charger that only charges one battery. I could not stand the "feel" of the tiny 5D body so added the grip to give me something to hang on to. This has the added advantage of allowing me to use two batteries which combined, lasts nearly as long as ONE MkIII battery.

I do a lot of ISO changing and cannot understand why Canon does not allow assigning the SET button to ISO. I thought they were trying to make the interfaces similar? Don't even get me started on the AF sensor layout. While the center point is fine the others seem too spread out and all in the wrong position - especially for vertical portraits.

Anyway, I'm happy with the image quality of the 5D but I don't think I'll ever get over the toy-like feel. I am having flashbacks to when I owned a 10D. I will forever be woulda-coulda-shoulda for the 1Ds. :-)[/B]
 
I own both the 5D Mk II and the 1D Mk II (not III) and use whichever camera is best suited to the job. The 5D Mk II gets used for studio work, which is mostly what I do. I shoot fashion, so everything gets shot in the vertical position and I bought the battery grip to make vertical shooting easier. That makes the camera larger and heavier, but I don't care as it's used in the studio. That camera gives me high resolution and allows me to use a 70-200 mm f/4 IS lens which would be too long on the 1D Mk II with its 1.3 crop factor. For all non-fashion work, I usually use the 1D Mk II as it has a better focusing system and a higher frame rate.

If you can't afford to own two cameras, then decide which camera would fill your needs the best. If you shoot a lot of sports, then your 1D Mk III is the best choice. If you like to use wide angle lenses, then the full frame 5D Mk II would be the better choice.
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I pretty much agree. I deal almost exclusively with high end social events and the 1DII and 1DsII are great. I really can't fund much to fault about these cameras. 5D? I tried the first one and I can't see if lasting as long as the 1 series. Considering the life span, the 1 series seems like the better deal.
 
Thanks everyone.

At the moment I do own a 1Dsmk3 and a 1Dmk3. The 1Ds is my workhorse, the 1D my backup. When shooting out of the studio the smaller files of the 1D can be an advantage. But most of the time I'll need the big files cause I print big.

So that's why I'm considering using a 5Dmk2 next to my 1Dsmk3. I have the feeling that they will compliment each other very well.

Once a year I have to shoot some running kids for a high school brochure. I don't think I need a 1D for those kind of pictures. I presume the other camera's are capable as well (I do even own a 40D which can be surprisingly fast :)
 
[B] Jeroen said:
Thanks everyone.
At the moment I do own a 1Dsmk3 and a 1Dmk3. The 1Ds is my workhorse,
the 1D my backup. When shooting out of the studio the smaller files
of the 1D can be an advantage. But most of the time I'll need the big
files cause I print big.

So that's why I'm considering using a 5Dmk2 next to my 1Dsmk3. I
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Dude! In that case, you will be very happy with the 5DII. In fact, all I can think the whole time I'm using the 5D is what a great second body it would be combined with a 1Ds.

I really miss the 1/250th sync speed of the 1-series. You wouldn't think 1/200 is much of a drop but every 1/3 of a stop counts. Despite what you may have read I am very happy with the One-Shot AF speed of the 5DII. In fact, it is MUCH faster than my D3. Last weekend at the theater I had the 5D with the 70-200/2.8 and a D3 with the 24-70/2.8. Lighting was rather low (1/200 f2.8 @ ISO 6400). Many many times throughout the day I would mash the shutter button on the D3 and it did nothing. I would pull up the 5D, point it at the same scene and it would instantly focus. This isn't the first time I've pressed the D3's shutter and nothing happened. I miss a lot of candid shots and facial expressions due to this. Don't get me wrong, AI Servo is pretty bad compared to the 1-series but I think you will be very happy with the One-shot response and accuracy.[/B]
 
Just an opinion, and I have both. Different tools for different jobs. I shoot dance photography. When in a theater shooting ballet, you cant beat the 1DMkIII @ 10fps to capture the ballerina in flight - BIF - heard that somewhere :) I bought the 5DMkII for studio sessions as a 1DsMkIII type sensor for under $3K.... The high iso capability is very useful also.

Very happy with both. If I could only have one, it would be the 1DMkIII, but would had to give the 5DMkII up. For that matter, still have the 5D.
 
i hear you man. i hate the way that the non 1d cameras mysteriously change modes :).

luckily i have both the 1d mark III and 1ds mark III. i had to color code my straps so i know which camera i'm using :).

ed rader

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I had considered the 5D, but I had several problems with the product:

Lack of 45-point auto-focusing
An fps rate that is slower than my 20D
Excessive shutter lag time
Less-intuitive control layout when compared to 1D
Lack of dual-card slots, SD card support
Lack of ruggedised body, full DW-R sealing
No high-speed crop mode, enabling APS-C field-of-view with fewer megapixels

The 50D provides similar features at a much lower price, and the 50D has a faster fps rate and saves more money by avoiding the necessity of cropping 21 MP files to get the framing that I expect from the cropped sensor sizes.

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ARShutterbug said:
I had considered the 5D, but I had several problems with the product:

Lack of 45-point auto-focusing
An fps rate that is slower than my 20D
Excessive shutter lag time
Less-intuitive control layout when compared to 1D
Lack of dual-card slots, SD card support
Lack of ruggedised body, full DW-R sealing
No high-speed crop mode, enabling APS-C field-of-view with fewer
megapixels

The 50D provides similar features at a much lower price, and the 50D
has a faster fps rate and saves more money by avoiding the necessity
of cropping 21 MP files to get the framing that I expect from the
cropped sensor sizes.
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I agree with most of your statements but you cannot compare a crop camera to a full-frame camera, they are apples and oranges. I can crop the image on the 5DII but I cannot expand the image on the 50D. As a long-time 1-series user who just added a 5DII to my bag I have not found the shutter lag to be much different from the 1-series in real world shooting. I can still capture a dancer in the air with One-shot. While the menus and controls are slightly different I found them very intuitive such that I did not need to read the manual at all to operate the camera.

The only true comparison is the $2600 5DII to the $8000 1DsMkIII. Yes, there are differences in features and build quality and I would expect to give up something for the $5400 saved.
 
Hans Kruse said:
If you already have a 1Ds mk3 the 5D mk2 could work as a backup
camera, but honestly having a 1Ds mk3 myself and a 5D (mk1) I always
leave the 5D behind in the bag. I think you original question was
misleading since you didn't mention that also have a 1Ds mk3.
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Agreed. My original response would have been different had I known he had a 1Ds. We always hear the term "backup" camera but in most cases what we mean is a "second body". A backup would sit in the bag forever if the 1Ds never failed.

I can see using the 5D in cases where you are forced to use primes and don't have time to switch lenses. You have a long lens on one body and a wide angle on the other. But, as a 1DMkIII and 5DII user, if I had a 1Ds I cannot imagine why I would take the 5D. I mean, when do you ever go into a situation saying the photos you are about to take are not important so I'm going to use my less capable camera. The whole time I'm using my 5D I find myself going for settings that don't exist. :-)
 
Sorry Hans (and others) for my misleading question.

Of course I do understand the difference in built quality between the two camara's (I also have to say, owning a 40D as well, that i don't have a cheap feeling holding a xxD or 5D).

For me I see the smaller size of the 5d as an advantage as well. I am shooting a week in New York in a copple of weeks and I don't like the idea of walking around a whole day long with a heavy 1D(s).

What I do like to know is the use for my once in a year sport assignment. For that occasion AI servo is a must have (running kids) in my opinion. What should I use in that case ? My 1Ds (only big files), my (future) 5D2 (icapable AI-servo ?) or maybe the 40D ? Keeping my 1Dmk3 only for those scarce occasions seems a bit exaggarated.

Jeroen
 
I bought a 5d as a back up but I don't what will be the back up camera in the future.

My work is streetphotography, primarely for books. The 5d m2 is a great camera to walk with.

http://www.deimanfotografie.nl
 
[B] Jeroen said:
Sorry Hans (and others) for my misleading question.
Of course I do understand the difference in built quality between the
two camara's (I also have to say, owning a 40D as well, that i don't
have a cheap feeling holding a xxD or 5D).
For me I see the smaller size of the 5d as an advantage as well. I am
shooting a week in New York in a copple of weeks and I don't like the
idea of walking around a whole day long with a heavy 1D(s).
What I do like to know is the use for my once in a year sport
assignment. For that occasion AI servo is a must have (running kids)
in my opinion. What should I use in that case ? My 1Ds (only big
files), my (future) 5D2 (icapable AI-servo ?) or maybe the 40D ?
Keeping my 1Dmk3 only for those scarce occasions seems a bit
exaggarated.
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Ok, but why would the 1Ds mk3 not be perfect for running kids? And it has the AF that will work the best. It seems to me that you can sell the 1Ds mk3 and keep the 1Ds mk3 and maybe have the 5D mk2 as a second body when weight and size is a concern.

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Kind regards,
Hans Kruse
Home Page -- http://www.hanskrusephotography.com
Workshops -- http://www.hanskrusephotography.com/workshops [/B]
 
Hans, I think you meant selling the 1D and keeping the 1Ds (you wrote two times 1Ds) ? I think you are right about the focus speed of the 1Ds. It is indeed very fast. The only thing I wish for is a 10MP sRaw files from the 1Ds3. But ok I'll stop complaining :p
Hans Kruse said:
Ok, but why would the 1Ds mk3 not be perfect for running kids? And it
has the AF that will work the best. It seems to me that you can sell
the 1Ds mk3 and keep the 1Ds mk3 and maybe have the 5D mk2 as a
second body when weight and size is a concern.

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Kind regards,
Hans Kruse
Home Page -- http://www.hanskrusephotography.com
Workshops -- http://www.hanskrusephotography.com/workshops
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The 1D III is a superb instrument and makes the 5D II feel like a toy. BUT, the 5D II gives me the 21 MP resolution I want along with ultra-high ISO capability that I need for some of my work. (I print at up to 40" x 60".) I don't care about the video. The 1D III gives me the 10 FPS that I need for sports shooting. These are very different cameras for different situations. I'm keeping both.

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I coulda had a V8 -- but I bought a 1D Mark III instead
 
[B] Jeroen said:
Hans, I think you meant selling the 1D and keeping the 1Ds (you wrote
two times 1Ds) ? I think you are right about the focus speed of the
1Ds. It is indeed very fast. The only thing I wish for is a 10MP sRaw
files from the 1Ds3. But ok I'll stop complaining :p
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Yes, if course, I meant selling the one without an s :-)

As I'm sure you know, the AF unit in the 1Ds mk3 is the same as in the 1D mk3 and for the shooting I have been doing with e.g. BIF the AF works very fast and reliable. In the white paper for the 1Ds mk3 it says this and also that the AF is optimized for the shooting speed of the 1Ds mk3. In my view the old 5D did not even come near in AF speed to the 1Ds mk3 and I believe the new 5D mk2 is only marginally faster due to the new processor. What I also like about the AF on the 1Ds mk3 compared to 5D (mk2) is that the AF points selectable are all cross type high precision AF points for f/2.8 or faster lenses, however for f/4 lenses only the center point is high precision and other selectable AF points are horizontal sensitive. For f/5.6 all AF points are only horizontally sensitive. ON the 5D only the center AF point and two assist points are high precision af for f/2.8 or faster. For f/4 and f/5.6 the center AF point is cross type, but not high precision.

You're right that the RAW files of the 1DS mk3 are big, but if you considered the 5D mk2 they are equally big unless you were planning to use one of the downsized RAW formats. But I don't understand why people would even consider using one of the downsized RAW formats. In a case like yours I would shoot RAW and on continous shooting speed at 5fps and I would simply select the keepers and delete the rest.

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Kind regards,
Hans Kruse
Home Page -- http://www.hanskrusephotography.com
Workshops -- http://www.hanskrusephotography.com/workshops [/B]
 
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