Dvice: don't upgrade from 995 to 4500!

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Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a customer!
 
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
To each his own, just because someone sells a camera doesn't
mean they know a whole lot about it. Their are probably only
20% good salespeople out of all the people that have that
title. If I were the owner of that store I would talk to that
salesperson, he is costing the store $$$ .

I had the 995 for one month and switched to the 4500. It
is without comparison a vastly better camera.

Sid

CP-4500 Gallery http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html

http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836

http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html

http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 
Hi Sid,

I'm not intended to say the CP4500 is not a very good camera! I'm sure you will make a lot of nice pics with it. Its all relative CP995 versus CP4500.

I took some shots with the 4500 and I did not have that WOW feeling. Though the style of the cam is really very nice IMO. But buying a cam just because of how it looks is not my way.

The answer of the rep., who is one of the owners of the store, brought me to the conclusion not to trade in.

Maybe I regret after all, who knows. In the meanwhile I will enjoy my 990 and 995 and I'm sure you'll enjoy your 4500!

Have a lot of nice shots!

Kind regards,

Chris
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
To each his own, just because someone sells a camera doesn't
mean they know a whole lot about it. Their are probably only
20% good salespeople out of all the people that have that
title. If I were the owner of that store I would talk to that
salesperson, he is costing the store $$$ .

I had the 995 for one month and switched to the 4500. It
is without comparison a vastly better camera.

Sid

CP-4500 Gallery http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html

http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836

http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html

http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 
You're right, don't always believe what they tell you in the shop. I once told a RELIABLE salesperson of a well know camera shop around here that the European version of the 995 charger charges the battery much slower than the American version. He asked me where I got this info. I told him I got it from a reliable web site (DPReview that is). The man just wouldn't believe it.

Now how would you believe: the actual users on the web site or a salesman who is actually more from the film SLR world?
To each his own, just because someone sells a camera doesn't
mean they know a whole lot about it. Their are probably only
20% good salespeople out of all the people that have that
title. If I were the owner of that store I would talk to that
salesperson, he is costing the store $$$ .

I had the 995 for one month and switched to the 4500. It
is without comparison a vastly better camera.

Sid

CP-4500 Gallery http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html

http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836

http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html

http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 
Sid et. al.,

What do you use to make your frames...I am looking for that rag-tag/torn frame look and have not found anything about how to make them or found any good PS actions to do the same

You (everyone's) help is greatly appreciated.

tom
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
To each his own, just because someone sells a camera doesn't
mean they know a whole lot about it. Their are probably only
20% good salespeople out of all the people that have that
title. If I were the owner of that store I would talk to that
salesperson, he is costing the store $$$ .

I had the 995 for one month and switched to the 4500. It
is without comparison a vastly better camera.

Sid

CP-4500 Gallery http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html

http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836

http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html

http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 
sounds like a lot of 'reverse' psychology to me. Of course they want your 995.. You know what kind of money a used cam can bring a shop?
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
 
I own the 990, so the 4500 is a significant upgrade for me. I think upgrading from the 995 to 4500 would only be a marginal move for the most part, unless image quality proves to be significantly better (Noise levels on the 4500 are much lower than the 990/995/5000/5700).

Dan
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
 
Chris:

I realize you're going on what your (probably trustworthy) camera shop owner told you, but much of what the others in this thread are saying is true: more often than not, these guys don't know a whole lot. They know the basics (if that) and there it ends. I upgraded my 995 to a 4500 and I'm very glad I did. If you read thrrough all of the threads around here, you'll find many similar comments. I have comparison photos of the 995 vs. 4500 on my PBase site. There is not a GREAT deal of difference between the two. Your salesman was correct in saying that the difference between 3.4 mp and 4 mp is not much to go on, but the overall look and appearance that the 4500 delivers, coupled with imporved features, makes it worthwhile in my book. I sold my 995 for $400, which is $200 less than I paid for it. The six months I had it was well worth the $200 to me and I don't regret for a minute that A. I owned the 995, B. I sold it for $200 less than I paid for it; and C. That I upgraded to a 4500.

Nobody can tell you that you "should" or "should not." Either way, you'll have a great camera, there's no doubt about that. It's a personal choice, and the one that I made and am pleased with!! Others here have chosen to keep their 990 or 995 and they feel good about that as well. Only you can decide!!

Frank
Whimsy is salvation for a life taken too seriously.
http://www.pbase.com/poetrunner/photo_musings
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
 
Thanks for the detailed response guys!

The contradictions in the advices I got are really confusing.

I think Stan has a good point about reverse psychology. A couple of hours ago I was convinced not to buy the CP4500, but hen comes the doubt again :-)

I took some pictures in the shop with the 4500 with my own cf card and just looked at the pics. Never seen such a realistic color and sharpness from an indoor shot with only fluorescent lighting. So one thing is for sure: the auto WB is great!

My concern is reduced to the small LCD and little buttons and the high internal temperature I read about in another thread.

Hope you can tell me more about your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Chris
I realize you're going on what your (probably trustworthy) camera
shop owner told you, but much of what the others in this thread are
saying is true: more often than not, these guys don't know a whole
lot. They know the basics (if that) and there it ends. I upgraded
my 995 to a 4500 and I'm very glad I did. If you read thrrough all
of the threads around here, you'll find many similar comments. I
have comparison photos of the 995 vs. 4500 on my PBase site. There
is not a GREAT deal of difference between the two. Your salesman
was correct in saying that the difference between 3.4 mp and 4 mp
is not much to go on, but the overall look and appearance that the
4500 delivers, coupled with imporved features, makes it worthwhile
in my book. I sold my 995 for $400, which is $200 less than I paid
for it. The six months I had it was well worth the $200 to me and I
don't regret for a minute that A. I owned the 995, B. I sold it for
$200 less than I paid for it; and C. That I upgraded to a 4500.

Nobody can tell you that you "should" or "should not." Either way,
you'll have a great camera, there's no doubt about that. It's a
personal choice, and the one that I made and am pleased with!!
Others here have chosen to keep their 990 or 995 and they feel good
about that as well. Only you can decide!!

Frank
Whimsy is salvation for a life taken too seriously.
http://www.pbase.com/poetrunner/photo_musings
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
--
 
The only problems with the small controls is left to the long time user of a full size SLR suddenly jumping aboard the digital camera bandwagon.

I must know since it is my case. After 30 years with full size Nikons and three weeks with the Coolpix 4500, I am not yet sure, of course, I like these controls.

On the other hand, the 4500 camera can really fly itself through situations where a professional photographer wouldn't normally trust much automation, and come out with perfectly sharp and perfectly exposed publication quality pcitures.

It's like taking technical decision in advance and letting the camera do the rest. Never mind the small buttons. Of course, you have to know what you are doing.

As you really don't spend your time fumbling with the physical controls, you don't have to worry for any 995-4500 transition problem.
I rest my case.
Thanks for the detailed response guys!

The contradictions in the advices I got are really confusing.

I think Stan has a good point about reverse psychology. A couple of
hours ago I was convinced not to buy the CP4500, but hen comes the
doubt again :-)
I took some pictures in the shop with the 4500 with my own cf card
and just looked at the pics. Never seen such a realistic color and
sharpness from an indoor shot with only fluorescent lighting. So
one thing is for sure: the auto WB is great!

My concern is reduced to the small LCD and little buttons and the
high internal temperature I read about in another thread.

Hope you can tell me more about your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Chris
 
Thanks Pierre,

Of course I would never even suggest someone of this forum would try to mislead me! This forum is very valuable to me and others and I hope to contribute a little myself.

What I meant was that I was confused after a salesman telling me not to upgrade cause its not in his benefit not to sell!

Its just because of Frank and the others I got indecisive again. I trust them more then any salesman, no doubt about that!

If I gave you the wrong impression than its entirely my fault. Its hard to express myself correctly because English is not my native language.

Kind regards

Chris
Thanks for the detailed response guys!

The contradictions in the advices I got are really confusing.

I think Stan has a good point about reverse psychology. A couple of
hours ago I was convinced not to buy the CP4500, but hen comes the
doubt again :-)
I took some pictures in the shop with the 4500 with my own cf card
and just looked at the pics. Never seen such a realistic color and
sharpness from an indoor shot with only fluorescent lighting. So
one thing is for sure: the auto WB is great!

My concern is reduced to the small LCD and little buttons and the
high internal temperature I read about in another thread.

Hope you can tell me more about your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Chris
 
Hi Chris,

Only you can answer this question. Some think it is an upgrade and othes don't. Who is right? Only the one that is good for you. :c)

by the way.... nikon just released a firmware update today for the 995! Look for someones announcement here on the forum!
 
Thanks Ken,

Just installed the firmware and it look likes it works!
Tomorrow I will take the final decision, I think...... lol

I'm still confused and just called a psych. I got an answer machine. It says: dial a zero if you think you're a loser, a 1 if you think you're superior and if you are indecisive dial a 3, a 4 or a 7. :0)

CU

Chris
Hi Chris,

Only you can answer this question. Some think it is an upgrade and
othes don't. Who is right? Only the one that is good for you. :c)

by the way.... nikon just released a firmware update today for the
995! Look for someones announcement here on the forum!
 
At the White House, the answering machine on weekends says: dial 3 for World War III...
Cheers from Montreal
Pierre
Thanks Ken,

Just installed the firmware and it look likes it works!
Tomorrow I will take the final decision, I think...... lol

I'm still confused and just called a psych. I got an answer
machine. It says: dial a zero if you think you're a loser, a 1 if
you think you're superior and if you are indecisive dial a 3, a 4
or a 7. :0)
 
Hi Sid,

I'm not intended to say the CP4500 is not a very good camera! I'm
sure you will make a lot of nice pics with it. Its all relative
CP995 versus CP4500.

I took some shots with the 4500 and I did not have that WOW
feeling. Though the style of the cam is really very nice IMO. But
buying a cam just because of how it looks is not my way.
The answer of the rep., who is one of the owners of the store,
brought me to the conclusion not to trade in.

Maybe I regret after all, who knows. In the meanwhile I will enjoy
my 990 and 995 and I'm sure you'll enjoy your 4500!

Have a lot of nice shots!

Kind regards,

Chris
No problem, I just didn't feel the salespersons statements
were very factual.

Happy shooting.

Sid
 
Sid et. al.,

What do you use to make your frames...I am looking for that
rag-tag/torn frame look and have not found anything about how to
make them or found any good PS actions to do the same

You (everyone's) help is greatly appreciated.

tom
Hi Tom, I use Splat for that effect.
http://www.alienskin.com/splat/splat_filters.html

My Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html
http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836
http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html
http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 
Dag Chris,

Hoe "verfrissend"...:-)
Eerlijk, eindelijk eens een reactie die een mens deugd doet.
Het is belange niet alledaags om een eerlijke zakenman tegen te komen
(ik bedoel die winkel in Nederland).
Ik vind ook deze mededeling van jouw persoonlijke ervaring, een reactie
die alle respect verdient.

Theo,
België.
Visited the photoshop where I always buy my stuff to talk about
trading in my 3 months old CP995 for a CP4500.

Their advice was brief and to the point: DON'T, your CP995 is much
better then the CP4500. Its better build and much more easy to
handle.

On my arguments about more sharpness, more pixels and a complete
metal body and pretty much smaller, their answer was literally:
  • difference in sharpness is almost not, and most of the time not
noticable
  • more pixels. 1 miilion more seems a lot, but its just a few
percent of real
resolution
  • all metal is not a measure of durabilty
  • smaller body/lower weight: that' important if you really want/need a
pocketable sized cam. On the other hand, their experience is that the
controls are also getting smaller and less easy in use.
They especially are trying to buy every CP995 they can get.

Of course they wanted to trade if I insisted :-)

Looks very honoust to me since I know they're not averse to get
some money!!!

Name of the shop is Kamera Express in the Netherlands

Hope I don't mess up the thoughts of those who are in doubt to
trade in or not, just like I was.

Kind regards,

Chris

NB: I have no relationship with this company other than being a
customer!
 
Thanks for the detailed response guys!

The contradictions in the advices I got are really confusing.

I think Stan has a good point about reverse psychology. A couple of
hours ago I was convinced not to buy the CP4500, but hen comes the
doubt again :-)
I took some pictures in the shop with the 4500 with my own cf card
and just looked at the pics. Never seen such a realistic color and
sharpness from an indoor shot with only fluorescent lighting. So
one thing is for sure: the auto WB is great!

My concern is reduced to the small LCD and little buttons and the
high internal temperature I read about in another thread.

Hope you can tell me more about your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Chris
Hi Chris, as far as the heat goes I don't feel the heat is excessive
and I'm sure the design can tolerate it if it is. As far as the Lcd
size goes, yes I would prefer a larger lcd, but if I had to pick
between the two and the 1.8 inch 995 lcd remained the same quality
I would hands down take the smaller Lcd due to the much better
daylight viewabilty (Is that a word?)

Sid

My Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html
http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836
http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html
http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 
Hi Sid,

Thanks for your reply. I suppose Nikon wouldn't make such a bad design that the heat will be a big problem. On the other hand, Minolta did!

I'm not that worried about it because I know electronics can be hot without damage (see Pentium 4 and other processors).

The advandtage of the swivel is also that the the lens/ccd part is separated from the power part. The higher the temperature of the CCD, the more noise! (real pro cams. 16 MPixel, have a cooling system for their ccd's!)

As for the LCD, I think I can live with the small size if its still viewable in bright sunlight. And with viewable, I mean you can see if the object is in focus!

Kind regards,

Chris
Thanks for the detailed response guys!

The contradictions in the advices I got are really confusing.

I think Stan has a good point about reverse psychology. A couple of
hours ago I was convinced not to buy the CP4500, but hen comes the
doubt again :-)
I took some pictures in the shop with the 4500 with my own cf card
and just looked at the pics. Never seen such a realistic color and
sharpness from an indoor shot with only fluorescent lighting. So
one thing is for sure: the auto WB is great!

My concern is reduced to the small LCD and little buttons and the
high internal temperature I read about in another thread.

Hope you can tell me more about your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Chris
Hi Chris, as far as the heat goes I don't feel the heat is excessive
and I'm sure the design can tolerate it if it is. As far as the Lcd
size goes, yes I would prefer a larger lcd, but if I had to pick
between the two and the 1.8 inch 995 lcd remained the same quality
I would hands down take the smaller Lcd due to the much better
daylight viewabilty (Is that a word?)

Sid

My Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500

Coolpix 4500 Reviews:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500.html
http://www.epinions.com/content_69311368836
http://digiscopingukbirds.homestead.com/optionalextras.html
http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/nik4500.html
 

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