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Now I know all of you are gonna say "here goes Lee again...he's over the edge" but I just had to tell you all about something that can transform good images into STUNNING images. Fred Miranda has just released a Photoshop action for the 1D called the "1D custom Sharpening action" it is at http://www.fredmiranda.com/1DCS/index.html and it is perhaps the most amazing digital enhancement I have EVER seen PERIOD. I was doubting it at first, but Fred was just about to release this last week when I posted a very nice shot taken in Sedona Arizona red rock country. It was sharp as it was, but he took the picture and reposted it after treating it with his new action. EVERYONE on the forum there was stunned (especially I). I ordered it and have been literally going over my collection of shots from the last year with it, revealing detail I have never seen before. All I can say is it is by far the best $15 I have ever spent. If he charged 50 dollars it would be WELL worth it (don't tell him ;-) Anyway I strongly suggest you RUN not walk over to that hyperlink and check it out. His example frankly don't scratch the surface as to what it can actually do. I also tried it on some D30 images and it seems to offer the same benefits. The ONLY detail I would suggest working with,as you may already know that Photoshop multi step actions can be stopped at intervals. I have found it beneficial to stop it at the USM stage and sometimes, depending on the image, modify his preset settings for the Unhsharp masking stage. Otherwise it is totally automatic. I urge you all to check this out and please let me know if you aren't as blown away by the results as I am. I certainly have nothing to do with Fred or his site, just that this action is a MUST HAVE after using it. I hope you all can benefit from this new discovery....
 
Thanks Lee. I just ordered it.
Lee Rothman said:
Now I know all of you are gonna say "here goes Lee again...he's
over the edge" but I just had to tell you all about something that
can transform good images into STUNNING images. Fred Miranda has
just released a Photoshop action for the 1D called the "1D custom
Sharpening action" it is at
http://www.fredmiranda.com/1DCS/index.html and it is perhaps the
most amazing digital enhancement I have EVER seen PERIOD. I was
doubting it at first, but Fred was just about to release this last
week when I posted a very nice shot taken in Sedona Arizona red
rock country. It was sharp as it was, but he took the picture and
reposted it after treating it with his new action. EVERYONE on the
forum there was stunned (especially I). I ordered it and have been
literally going over my collection of shots from the last year with
it, revealing detail I have never seen before. All I can say is it
is by far the best $15 I have ever spent. If he charged 50 dollars
it would be WELL worth it (don't tell him ;-) Anyway I strongly
suggest you RUN not walk over to that hyperlink and check it out.
His example frankly don't scratch the surface as to what it can
actually do. I also tried it on some D30 images and it seems to
offer the same benefits. The ONLY detail I would suggest working
with,as you may already know that Photoshop multi step actions can
be stopped at intervals. I have found it beneficial to stop it at
the USM stage and sometimes, depending on the image, modify his
preset settings for the Unhsharp masking stage. Otherwise it is
totally automatic. I urge you all to check this out and please let
me know if you aren't as blown away by the results as I am. I
certainly have nothing to do with Fred or his site, just that this
action is a MUST HAVE after using it. I hope you all can benefit
from this new discovery....
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Michael

http://www.mikekaplan.com
 
Lee,

Thanks, I was very interested in this when I saw it... I was also interested in the linear conversion, you recommend that also?.... How About MR Reduction, ISOR-BR?

Trouble is I'm not into PayPal... I've heard horror stories, and even if they are not true, I don't like spreading my info around..

If he would take credit cards, I'm sure I'd be a steady customer...

Thanks, Tony B.
 
I'm wondering the same. What's the point of sharpening a full-size image out of the camera? It's too big for web or slide show use, and too small to print. While his sharpening action probably looks good on screen, it's not a given that it will look good in print as well, if applied to a print size image.
Michael Long said:
Would you run this action after doing SI to rez up the file, or
before?
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Jan Brittenson
http://www.rockgarden.net/janbrittenson/gallery
 
I was experimenting with FM's linear action/profile vs just using a linear profile that I got from aboutdigicam.com vs non-linear, but I got sidetracked by focusing issues. Now that that's resolved I'll be back to experimenting shortly. But my preliminary observations from just an evening or two's experimenting is:
  • I was surprised by how many images benefitted from linear processing - better color, better shadow detail, better highlight detail. "Problem" images seemed to benefit the most. I only tried a dozen or so images, but I thought that the linear version of all but one looked better.
  • I didn't see a whole lot of difference between FM's -profile- and the profile from aboutdigicam.com, but maybe I'm just not to that level of subtlety yet. In general I preferred working with the profile alone (either profile) because I'm a control freak and want to know what's going on under the hood and FM's action sort of shields you from this. That's probably good for some folks, but I found that applying my traditional workflow in PS following the linear conversion produced similar results, and I felt more in control. OTHO one thing about an action is that you can examine the pieces of it and really can understand what's going on if you want, and use what you learn to enhance your manual workflow.
  • A side effect of modifying the curve to enhance shadow detail and highlight detail is that mid-range contrast is somewhat reduced. In most cases this is not a problem, and often beneficial, but some images lose their punch and need to be curved corrected.
  • The curve modification to enhance highlight detail tends to darken skys. I think I noticed this more on the "about" profile than with FM's. Again this is usually not a problem, but some images required a slight gamma adjustment to prevent unnaturally dark sky.
  • I was comparing colors with CM1, CM3, and CM4, linear vs non-linear when focusing issues intervened, but I on first review I preferred the colors of both linear profiles to the colors of non-linear conversion.
  • I wonder if the "better shadow and highlight detail" part of this couldn't also be accomplished by using a custom curve with non-linear processing. The color balance could be altered this way also, but this would be a little more intimidating task to get right. The advantage of this approach would be easier workflow, and I believe that if you did RAW+Jpeg that the jpegs would provide more accurate preview images? Do the custom curves affect in-camera jpegs?
-DL
Tony B said:
Lee,

Thanks, I was very interested in this when I saw it... I was also
interested in the linear conversion, you recommend that also?....
How About MR Reduction, ISOR-BR?

Trouble is I'm not into PayPal... I've heard horror stories, and
even if they are not true, I don't like spreading my info around..

If he would take credit cards, I'm sure I'd be a steady customer...

Thanks, Tony B.
Click to expand...
 
that both profiles I experimented with seemed to boost greens slightly and/or lower blue slightly. In general I liked this effect - it was subtle, and didn't give an unpleasant "green cast" to the images, and tended to warm the image a bit. It was most noticable in the sky color. Viewed side-by-side, the non-linear images took on a "digicam blue" look compared to a more Fuji type look of the linears. There were no foliage pictures in my tests so I don't know the effect there.
  • DL
Don Lashier said:
  • I was surprised by how many images benefitted from linear
processing - better color, better shadow detail, better highlight
detail. "Problem" images seemed to benefit the most. I only tried a
dozen or so images, but I thought that the linear version of all
but one looked better.
  • I didn't see a whole lot of difference between FM's -profile- and
the profile from aboutdigicam.com, but maybe I'm just not to that
level of subtlety yet. In general I preferred working with the
profile alone (either profile) because I'm a control freak and want
to know what's going on under the hood and FM's action sort of
shields you from this. That's probably good for some folks, but I
found that applying my traditional workflow in PS following the
linear conversion produced similar results, and I felt more in
control. OTHO one thing about an action is that you can examine the
pieces of it and really can understand what's going on if you want,
and use what you learn to enhance your manual workflow.
  • A side effect of modifying the curve to enhance shadow detail and
highlight detail is that mid-range contrast is somewhat reduced. In
most cases this is not a problem, and often beneficial, but some
images lose their punch and need to be curved corrected.
  • The curve modification to enhance highlight detail tends to
darken skys. I think I noticed this more on the "about" profile
than with FM's. Again this is usually not a problem, but some
images required a slight gamma adjustment to prevent unnaturally
dark sky.
  • I was comparing colors with CM1, CM3, and CM4, linear vs
non-linear when focusing issues intervened, but I on first review I
preferred the colors of both linear profiles to the colors of
non-linear conversion.
  • I wonder if the "better shadow and highlight detail" part of this
couldn't also be accomplished by using a custom curve with
non-linear processing. The color balance could be altered this way
also, but this would be a little more intimidating task to get
right. The advantage of this approach would be easier workflow, and
I believe that if you did RAW+Jpeg that the jpegs would provide
more accurate preview images? Do the custom curves affect in-camera
jpegs?

-DL
Tony B said:
Lee,

Thanks, I was very interested in this when I saw it... I was also
interested in the linear conversion, you recommend that also?....
How About MR Reduction, ISOR-BR?

Trouble is I'm not into PayPal... I've heard horror stories, and
even if they are not true, I don't like spreading my info around..

If he would take credit cards, I'm sure I'd be a steady customer...

Thanks, Tony B.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
The ISOR-BR is great.

So is the Moire-Reduction. Though I rarely need it. I find it works better, though, if you only apply it to the areas that have moire. Not to the whole picture.

The linear conversion is worth it, too.

Don't worry about PayPal. Especially if you only use it to BUY, and not sell.
Tony B said:
Thanks, I was very interested in this when I saw it... I was also
interested in the linear conversion, you recommend that also?....
How About MR Reduction, ISOR-BR?

Trouble is I'm not into PayPal... I've heard horror stories, and
even if they are not true, I don't like spreading my info around..

If he would take credit cards, I'm sure I'd be a steady customer...
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
I've never used Fred's SI-interpolation.

I have, however, done the same thing manually in Photoshop.

I was NOT happy with the results. It left a very visible pattern (at 100%) in the picture . . . . . like quilt-work. Doing the ressing up in one step worked just fine.
Michael Long said:
Would you run this action after doing SI to rez up the file, or
before?
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
We did some tests on this last night and were using it AFTER a Res up. It was shocking to see how well it worked on a GOOD file....I can only imagine a nice large print from such an operation....
Michael Long said:
Would you run this action after doing SI to rez up the file, or
before?
Click to expand...
 
I have Fred's MR reduction. Of over 1500 pics taken so far with my 1D I only had 1 picture, which was taken at a wedding, that had moire, so for me it has been a virtual "non issue". It worked as stated with 2 whacks of his action. A guy had a wild tie on that had a weird pattern. I also have the ISOR-BR, which quite frankly I haven't had much need for as I don't use high ISO much, and when I did didn't have much noise to speak of. It did work on the few shots that had noise though in the darker areas of the shot.
Tony B said:
Lee,

Thanks, I was very interested in this when I saw it... I was also
interested in the linear conversion, you recommend that also?....
How About MR Reduction, ISOR-BR?

Trouble is I'm not into PayPal... I've heard horror stories, and
even if they are not true, I don't like spreading my info around..

If he would take credit cards, I'm sure I'd be a steady customer...

Thanks, Tony B.
Click to expand...
 
Wondering if anyone has compared the results of Fred's new action to NIK Sharpener?

I own pretty much all of his actions already, so adding another is not a big deal, I'm just interested in getting the best results possible.

OT: I just switched from the D60 to the 1D a couple weeks ago and am EXTREMELY impressed! But as Lee said, I know I'm preaching to the choir here :)

Cheers.
Lee Rothman said:
Now I know all of you are gonna say "here goes Lee again...he's
over the edge" but I just had to tell you all about something that
can transform good images into STUNNING images. Fred Miranda has
just released a Photoshop action for the 1D called the "1D custom
Sharpening action" it is at
http://www.fredmiranda.com/1DCS/index.html and it is perhaps the
most amazing digital enhancement I have EVER seen PERIOD. I was
doubting it at first, but Fred was just about to release this last
week when I posted a very nice shot taken in Sedona Arizona red
rock country. It was sharp as it was, but he took the picture and
reposted it after treating it with his new action. EVERYONE on the
forum there was stunned (especially I). I ordered it and have been
literally going over my collection of shots from the last year with
it, revealing detail I have never seen before. All I can say is it
is by far the best $15 I have ever spent. If he charged 50 dollars
it would be WELL worth it (don't tell him ;-) Anyway I strongly
suggest you RUN not walk over to that hyperlink and check it out.
His example frankly don't scratch the surface as to what it can
actually do. I also tried it on some D30 images and it seems to
offer the same benefits. The ONLY detail I would suggest working
with,as you may already know that Photoshop multi step actions can
be stopped at intervals. I have found it beneficial to stop it at
the USM stage and sometimes, depending on the image, modify his
preset settings for the Unhsharp masking stage. Otherwise it is
totally automatic. I urge you all to check this out and please let
me know if you aren't as blown away by the results as I am. I
certainly have nothing to do with Fred or his site, just that this
action is a MUST HAVE after using it. I hope you all can benefit
from this new discovery....
Click to expand...
 
The only times I've gotten a quilt pattern (or worm-like pattern) is when
the image is aliased. The 1D aliases quite a bit, and D30 images easily
become aliased through many of the sharpening methods or downsizing
using anything other than bicubic. USM is the most benign of the
sharpening methods actually since it really needs to be cranked up high
to introduce artifacts (other than halos, but that's not really aliasing
artifacts).
DavidP said:
I have, however, done the same thing manually in Photoshop.

I was NOT happy with the results. It left a very visible pattern
(at 100%) in the picture . . . . . like quilt-work. Doing the
ressing up in one step worked just fine.
Michael Long said:
Would you run this action after doing SI to rez up the file, or
before?
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
--
Jan Brittenson
http://www.rockgarden.net/janbrittenson/gallery
 
This was a D30 image. When I ressed up, I hadn't applied any sharpening. However, there was quite a lot of fine detail in the shirt. I was ressing it up for a 24x36 poster.

Here's what the shot was:

http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net/TheBand/joe.htm

Note: this image has been upressed to 240 ppi at 8x10, and sharpened.
Jan Brittenson said:
The only times I've gotten a quilt pattern (or worm-like pattern)
is when
the image is aliased. The 1D aliases quite a bit, and D30 images
easily
become aliased through many of the sharpening methods or downsizing
using anything other than bicubic. USM is the most benign of the
sharpening methods actually since it really needs to be cranked up
high
to introduce artifacts (other than halos, but that's not really
aliasing
artifacts).
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
DavidP said:
Hmmm, why no comparison against Edge-Sharpen Pro on the link?
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Excatly that was my concern too. But just bought it yesterday and did today a quick test with both actions.

See yourself: (ISO 200 photo, sorry :-))
100% crop 90% JPG Quality from 1D file

1D CS Pro with parameter "normal":



Edgesharpen Pro 16 Bit v2 with "Auto" setting:



What do you think?

(You could now play with the settings to try to get exactly the same amount of sharpening with both actions....)

The 1D CS Pro does NOT offer a "tweak" mode for the advanced sharpening parameters as the other one. I miss that!

Regards,
Holger Ehlers
http://www.pbase.com/ehlers (> 500 photos to visit)
 
I see the 1D custom Sharpening action as far superior to my eyes. The eagles head just pops out at you crisp as can be. I also have the USM portion of the action froze so I can customize that portion of the action. It gives me ALL the control I could ask for. Is this what you don't understand? or am I confused as to what you miss? Just click on the arrow in the USM section of the action and it will stop there and allow you to customize it's settings. I find the 500 to be a bit high some times. Otherwise this action just ROCKS.....
Holger Ehlers said:
DavidP said:
Hmmm, why no comparison against Edge-Sharpen Pro on the link?
Click to expand...
Excatly that was my concern too. But just bought it yesterday and
did today a quick test with both actions.

See yourself: (ISO 200 photo, sorry :-))
100% crop 90% JPG Quality from 1D file

1D CS Pro with parameter "normal":



Edgesharpen Pro 16 Bit v2 with "Auto" setting:



What do you think?
(You could now play with the settings to try to get exactly the
same amount of sharpening with both actions....)

The 1D CS Pro does NOT offer a "tweak" mode for the advanced
sharpening parameters as the other one. I miss that!

Regards,
Holger Ehlers
http://www.pbase.com/ehlers (> 500 photos to visit)
Click to expand...
 
How does it work into the LPBatch actions? Can they be combined or is this an additional step after LP?
Lee Rothman said:
Now I know all of you are gonna say "here goes Lee again...he's
over the edge" but I just had to tell you all about something that
can transform good images into STUNNING images. Fred Miranda has
just released a Photoshop action for the 1D called the "1D custom
Sharpening action" it is at
http://www.fredmiranda.com/1DCS/index.html and it is perhaps the
most amazing digital enhancement I have EVER seen PERIOD. I was
doubting it at first, but Fred was just about to release this last
week when I posted a very nice shot taken in Sedona Arizona red
rock country. It was sharp as it was, but he took the picture and
reposted it after treating it with his new action. EVERYONE on the
forum there was stunned (especially I). I ordered it and have been
literally going over my collection of shots from the last year with
it, revealing detail I have never seen before. All I can say is it
is by far the best $15 I have ever spent. If he charged 50 dollars
it would be WELL worth it (don't tell him ;-) Anyway I strongly
suggest you RUN not walk over to that hyperlink and check it out.
His example frankly don't scratch the surface as to what it can
actually do. I also tried it on some D30 images and it seems to
offer the same benefits. The ONLY detail I would suggest working
with,as you may already know that Photoshop multi step actions can
be stopped at intervals. I have found it beneficial to stop it at
the USM stage and sometimes, depending on the image, modify his
preset settings for the Unhsharp masking stage. Otherwise it is
totally automatic. I urge you all to check this out and please let
me know if you aren't as blown away by the results as I am. I
certainly have nothing to do with Fred or his site, just that this
action is a MUST HAVE after using it. I hope you all can benefit
from this new discovery....
Click to expand...
 
EricF said:
Lee Rothman said:
Now I know all of you are gonna say "here goes Lee again...he's
over the edge" but I just had to tell you all about something that
can transform good images into STUNNING images. Fred Miranda has
just released a Photoshop action for the 1D called the "1D custom
Sharpening action" it is at
http://www.fredmiranda.com/1DCS/index.html and it is perhaps the
most amazing digital enhancement I have EVER seen PERIOD. I was
doubting it at first, but Fred was just about to release this last
week when I posted a very nice shot taken in Sedona Arizona red
rock country. It was sharp as it was, but he took the picture and
reposted it after treating it with his new action. EVERYONE on the
forum there was stunned (especially I). I ordered it and have been
literally going over my collection of shots from the last year with
it, revealing detail I have never seen before. All I can say is it
is by far the best $15 I have ever spent. If he charged 50 dollars
it would be WELL worth it (don't tell him ;-) Anyway I strongly
suggest you RUN not walk over to that hyperlink and check it out.
His example frankly don't scratch the surface as to what it can
actually do. I also tried it on some D30 images and it seems to
offer the same benefits. The ONLY detail I would suggest working
with,as you may already know that Photoshop multi step actions can
be stopped at intervals. I have found it beneficial to stop it at
the USM stage and sometimes, depending on the image, modify his
preset settings for the Unhsharp masking stage. Otherwise it is
totally automatic. I urge you all to check this out and please let
me know if you aren't as blown away by the results as I am. I
certainly have nothing to do with Fred or his site, just that this
action is a MUST HAVE after using it. I hope you all can benefit
from this new discovery....
Click to expand...
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