Geosetter and CR2 files

Maybe I am bit dense, but how do I make Geosetter write GPS data into EXIF within CR2 files. Whatever I do, Geosetter always writes GPS coords into XMP file, which is not what I need.

Borek
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Hi Borek,

This is an good question, it took me some time to find the solution. Actually, I found that the solution is already there. When I synchronize the data with GPS data files (ctrl + G), I select "synchronize with data file" and I synchronize it with a .GPX file. In my case, I use a Garmin 60csx that write tracks directly as .gpx files. And yes, a sidecar .xmp file is created, but I found out that the info is already also inside the .CR2 file. I deleted the .xmp files and when you open the program again (or open the .CR2 with dpp) the coordinates (with altitude) are still in there (do a ctrl + I on dpp to give you the info panel, the gps data should be there).

My intention was not to try to guide you step by step, sorry, as you probably know all that, but instead to try to organize my mind on what to do (I last used the program a couple of months ago). See if the info is in the .CR2 file, everytime I try the result is always the same = the info is there. Let me know if it is not, I will go again through the steps and find out what might be missing.

Good luck, btw I love the program.

Francisco.

Francisco Miranda said:

My intention was not to try to guide you step by step, sorry, as you
probably know all that, but instead to try to organize my mind on
what to do (I last used the program a couple of months ago). See if
the info is in the .CR2 file, everytime I try the result is always
the same = the info is there. Let me know if it is not, I will go
again through the steps and find out what might be missing.

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No, the info really is not in my CR2 files. When I delete the XMP files, even Geosetter does not see the coords/altitude info anymore. Also the CR2 files are apparently completely untouched.

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Ok, I will take a look at my workflow to see where I might be going amiss and try to obtain the same result as you.

Francisco.

You have to define in the options. It works OK for me.
File-> Settings
Select Canon (as you can do each one differently)
Uncheck "Save data in XMP sidecar"
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JoseMiguel said:

You have to define in the options. It works OK for me.
File-> Settings
Select Canon (as you can do each one differently)
Uncheck "Save data in XMP sidecar"

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Wow, that's it: I have to choose "Canon..." on the left side of that dialog. Thanks a lot for pointing this out -- works great now.

Borek

Edit: Well, there are two glitches after all:

• viewing geotagged CR2's in Irfan shows very small pictures (like if Geosetter did something to the embedded JPEGs in the raws)

• when I process the CR2 in ACR and save as JPEG, the GPS info gets lost.

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Yes, that's it. However, I just did a test with the save as .xmp sidecar file option enabled and it still saves in the .CR2. I gues this is a back-up option. Thanks for putting this short and to the point.

Francisco.

Another question. How about something that sets coordinates in jpg files? If I try to set jpg files and cr2 files at the same time, everything is OK with the cr2 files but the jpg is corrupted when tyring to use certain Photoshop CS3 plugins. It says it isn't the right kind of file.

Is GEOSETTER only for Canon cr2 files or will it work on Canon 1 jpg files also? The reason I ask is I use small jpg files to initially edit whether to retain the cr2 file.

Confusion reins because the settings menu in Geosetter has a jpg page???

Charlie..> >

Hmmm

Why would you want to edit the CR2 files? I find that very dangerous and NOT in the spirit of raw being a digital "negative". That is why writing to an external XMP file is such a great idea!
You now have raw files that are NOT true originals anymore.

Personally, I find that totally goes against the whole "raison d'être" of running applications like Lightroom for which I paid good money.

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I think you missed the point. I am fine with the xmp sidecar files for the RAW files, no problem there. My problem is with jpg files, they are corrupted by GEOSETTER. You have any experience with GEOSETTER and jpg files or is your message just conjecture?

Everyone knows you cannot edit a RAW file. All changes to a RAW file are kept in a sidecar file. Now what happens when you geotag and create a sidecar file, then want to reedit the photo and decide you did something wrong so to put it back in the default position, you delete the sidecar file. Now you have also deleted your geotagging info.

This is not easily solved.

Charlie..> >

Albert de Bruijn said:

Hmmm
Why would you want to edit the CR2 files? I find that very dangerous
and NOT in the spirit of raw being a digital "negative". That is why
writing to an external XMP file is such a great idea!
You now have raw files that are NOT true originals anymore.
Personally, I find that totally goes against the whole "raison
d'être" of running applications like Lightroom for which I paid good
money.

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Albert
http://www.albertdebruijn.com
http://www.digitalmoods.com (now with free Lightroom presets)

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WildImages said:

I think you missed the point. I am fine with the xmp sidecar files
for the RAW files, no problem there.

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The OP asked " . . . how do I make Geosetter write GPS data into EXIF within CR2 files. Whatever I do, Geosetter always writes GPS coords into XMP file, which is not what I need."
That was pretty clear question and I don't think I mis-interpreted that.

WildImages said:

My problem is with jpg files,
they are corrupted by GEOSETTER. You have any experience with
GEOSETTER and jpg files or is your message just conjecture?

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No conjecture, I use Geosetter because it is the only one I could find that supported CR2 AND I was delighted it wrote the data into separate XMP files, which is what I wanted. I don;t shoot JPEGs and was not commenting on JPEG usage.

By the way, Lightroom imports these XMP files just fine, so when I look at my images within LR, it "appears" as if the data in encapsulated within the image, but my CR2 files remain untouched.

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Here is my question. Please spend time addressing this issue. If you don't shoot jpg files and try to geotag within GEOSETTER, then let someone else who does address this issue. Thanks.

WildImages said:

Everyone knows you cannot edit a RAW file. All changes to a RAW file
are kept in a sidecar file. Now what happens when you geotag and
create a sidecar file, then want to reedit the photo and decide you
did something wrong so to put it back in the default position, you
delete the sidecar file. Now you have also deleted your geotagging
info.

This is not easily solved.

Charlie..> >

Albert de Bruijn said:

Hmmm
Why would you want to edit the CR2 files? I find that very dangerous
and NOT in the spirit of raw being a digital "negative". That is why
writing to an external XMP file is such a great idea!
You now have raw files that are NOT true originals anymore.
Personally, I find that totally goes against the whole "raison
d'être" of running applications like Lightroom for which I paid good
money.

--
Albert
http://www.albertdebruijn.com
http://www.digitalmoods.com (now with free Lightroom presets)

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WildImages said:

Here is my question. Please spend time addressing this issue. If
you don't shoot jpg files and try to geotag within GEOSETTER, then
let someone else who does address this issue. Thanks.

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Here is your answer. I was not addressing you.

YOUR issue was not what the original poster requested and I was NOT responding to YOUR issue.

If you look at the thread in "threaded view" (so you can see the hierarchy of posts), you will see I responded to the original poster and queried his issue, not YOURS. The fact is, you took his post into another direction. That's fine, but I did not address that part of the thread.

So please, do not get upset or accuse me of responding in an improper fashion.
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Albert
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Albert de Bruijn said:

Hmmm
Why would you want to edit the CR2 files? I find that very dangerous
and NOT in the spirit of raw being a digital "negative". That is why
writing to an external XMP file is such a great idea!

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You find XMP great? That's ok. Writing into CR2 is dangerous? Doesn't matter where you've picked that up, but I write metada into CR2 files since ever. It works like a charm: no separate files hanging around, easy backup workflow, every image software (incl. Canon software) recognizes those tags.

There might be reasons speaking for sidecar files, but I really can't see one. Still, I wouldn't say everybody should write into CR2 -use method you prefer.

When writting metadata into CR2, raw isn't "true" original anymore? Even I assume, what your "true" definition might be: by editing CR2 metadata, you don't alter image data at all. And: when you edit/convert CR2 file using Canon DPP, metadata is automatically changed -should one refuse using Canon software then?

No matter which method is "better": IMO, before deciding, everybody should read about metadata first.

To stay on topic: it's quite easy to import GPS data from XMP sidecar files into CR2 (or JPG) files. Again: Canon support GPS data inside CR2.

Greetings,
Bogdan
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Aha, a bug in the program. I contacted the maker of GEOSETTER who could reproduce the problem. He then contacted the maker of the EXIF portion of the GEOSETTER program who then contacted Adobe. The response is if you use a time zone of +00.00, in other words you have your computer set to GMT and you want to leave the GMT time intact, then you would add +00.00 to the camera's time setting and that causes the crash. Adobe is aware of this problem and will correct it in a future issue of CS4.

Glad it wasn't something I was doing wrong as I need geotagging. GEOSETTER is an excellent program for this and for a free program, the service is supersonic!

Charlie..> >

hbx2004 said:

When writting metadata into CR2, raw isn't "true" original anymore?
Even I assume, what your "true" definition might be: by editing CR2
metadata, you don't alter image data at all. And: when you
edit/convert CR2 file using Canon DPP, metadata is automatically
changed -should one refuse using Canon software then?

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Actually, the GP poster might have a point. If you have any use for original decision data tagging your image, any change at all to the CR2 might invalidate that. (Does anyone know what aspects of the image the ODD is based on? Is it only the image data, or the entire file?)

Changing the CR2 in this way, presuming it does alter the ODD comparison, would invalidate it for forensic purposes but even for normal photographers like us it could make it difficult to prove that an image came out of your camera and not someone else's should it ever be necessary to do so.

I realize I'm getting into purely academic territory, but it would be interesting to understand at that level if anyone has any info to contribute...

severoon said:

hbx2004 said:

When writting metadata into CR2, raw isn't "true" original anymore?
Even I assume, what your "true" definition might be: by editing CR2
metadata, you don't alter image data at all. And: when you
edit/convert CR2 file using Canon DPP, metadata is automatically
changed -should one refuse using Canon software then?

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Actually, the GP poster might have a point. If you have any use for
original decision data tagging your image, any change at all to the
CR2 might invalidate that. (Does anyone know what aspects of the
image the ODD is based on? Is it only the image data, or the entire
file?)

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If you have a use for ODD then your workflow would compensate for that. For most people editing the exif portion of a raw file (which is not necessarily image data) is a non issue.

severoon said:

Changing the CR2 in this way, presuming it does alter the ODD
comparison, would invalidate it for forensic purposes but even for
normal photographers like us it could make it difficult to prove that
an image came out of your camera and not someone else's should it
ever be necessary to do so.

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exif data is easily editable. If you do use ODD then you would still need the software to verify changes, realistically proving a photo is yours for forensic purposes includes a chain of evidence and other things including software verification, newspapers and other businesses would have their own processes in place to address this. For typical use this is a non issue. For photo printing or the like just go somewhere that isnt lame about printing.

severoon said:

I realize I'm getting into purely academic territory, but it would be
interesting to understand at that level if anyone has any info to
contribute...

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For more info http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/infobank/image_verification/canon_data_verification_system.do From the little I can find about it, its image data that isn't alterable with news agencies and the like, I dont see any mention of EXIF data. This is probably likely a holdover from the film days, maybe someone with more info can expound.