Canon 50D , Nikon 300D, Sony Alpha700 and Olympus E-3..

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I really need help guys,

I decided to get into DSLR's since i love photography and I bought Nikon D40 last year..took some great pictures and now i decided upgrade and get into a higher level..I did my search and I'm confused between these four DSLRs Canon 50D , Nikon 300D, Sony Alpha700 and Olympus E-3..I really would like to hear your opinions which to get and why? if it helps im not into sport shooting, im more into nature and close potrait pictures..

Appreciate your help..
 
sport - nikon D3 the best...

nature portraits - I will recommand sony a900.
I really need help guys,

I decided to get into DSLR's since i love photography and I bought
Nikon D40 last year..took some great pictures and now i decided
upgrade and get into a higher level..I did my search and I'm confused
between these four DSLRs Canon 50D , Nikon 300D, Sony Alpha700 and
Olympus E-3..I really would like to hear your opinions which to get
and why? if it helps im not into sport shooting, im more into nature
and close potrait pictures..

Appreciate your help..
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For nature photos you will be better off with a decent telephoto lens rather than a new body. In any case, I personally would choose between the Sony and the Nikon.

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Hi there,

I agree with the poster above:

My choice would go between the Nikon D300 and the Alpha 700, after having shot all 4 of them:

Canon 50D does not seem to deliver, it has been "overdone" a bit, MP-wise... Quite a lot of Canon shooters I know bought the D40 even after the release of the D50.

Olympus certainly has its advantages: Fantastic build, great lenses, but I don't like the idea about sticking to the 4/3 sensor, no matter what theories are promoted to convince people that the world will not need FF (even if it were true, the world has moved to FF, sorry). For macro for instance I would not hesitate to use the E3.

The Nikon is supposedly the most complete one of the package, but it is also the most expensive. It seems as if you don't own too much glass yet, so keep in mind that you have to invest there too.

The Alpha 700 (which I own) comes pretty close to the D300. Since you don't use high ISO (no sports etc), I can see no difference between the D300 and the Alpha 700 (Firmware v.4, be sure to check that out, the other FWs were considerably worse). It is much cheaper and has a fantabulous user interface...

AND: it has the stabilized sensor, which the Nikon does not have... don't underestimate that.

So I ended up with the A700.

Good luck with the decision, whatever you choose, they are great cameras and will keep you busy for some time.

Cheers Jonathan
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Of all the three cameras D300 is the best one, it has more features, more lenses, more support, but it is 1/3 more expensive than A700 that with fw 4 gives comparable jpegs.

I chose to buy A700 and a new flash (metz 58 AF-1) and overall I'm still under what I would have spent for D300 body only.

Also I use 50mm f1,7 that is really sharp and with A700 is even stabilized by the camera.

Also take a look at the manuals that you can download for each camera, maybe there's something you really need.

In conclusion, if you don't have any budget issue, go for D300 and stabilized lens, if not buy A700 and a better lens or flash.
 
Don't you just love it when someone recommends not one but two cameras that are not even on your list!! These cameras are in a totally different category IMHO.

I too would recommend the Nikon D300 or the Sony A700. Both will work just fine with all of the kind of pictures you mentioned wanting to take. Here is an action shot taken with my A700 and Sony 18-250 lens. I was very happy with the focus considering the subject was headed right at me.



And although it is not on your list, the Canon 40D IMHO is a better value than the 50D.

Ron
nature portraits - I will recommand sony a900.
I really need help guys,

I decided to get into DSLR's since i love photography and I bought
Nikon D40 last year..took some great pictures and now i decided
upgrade and get into a higher level..I did my search and I'm confused
between these four DSLRs Canon 50D , Nikon 300D, Sony Alpha700 and
Olympus E-3..I really would like to hear your opinions which to get
and why? if it helps im not into sport shooting, im more into nature
and close potrait pictures..

Appreciate your help..
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http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
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Don't you just love it when someone recommends not one but two
cameras that are not even on your list!!
I love how you rip people for recommending cameras not on the list, then do the same thing. hahaha, thats funny.
And although it is not on your list, the Canon 40D IMHO is a better
value than the 50D.
 
I confess to being primarily a sports shooter, so if I had to make that call for myself starting from scratch I would definitely opt for the Canon 50D. It's a great high ISO camera and a bargain at $1049 (Amazon), but that's not what you're after. So if you're considering Canon I would second the motion to consider the 40D instead. It's just better at low to moderate ISOs.

You didn't mention what Nikon lenses you have or whether you value live view capability or not. Knowing that would help us help you decide.

I think the future of the 4/3 sensor (Olympus) is probably with the micro 4/3 standard. So I wouldn't recommend that option unless you think you want to go there for size and weight considerations.

That leaves Nikon and Sony. I shot with a Nikon D200 before my current A700 and the A700 is way better. And with v4 of the firmware installed it really is every bit as good as the D300 (using essentially the same sensor). The Sony is considerably cheaper so it's a no-brainer to go with it if

1 - you don't have any Nikon lenses (or flashes or other accessories that you want to continue to use and

2 - you don't want the Nikon's live view capability.

You'll find the Sony has a vastly superior user interface and SSS (Super Steady Shot image stabilization) built in to the body so that you don't need VR lenses.

You will be happy with any of these cameras. Consider the above, make a choice, and enjoy!

[By the way, I would also consider the nifty Nikon D90 if I were you. It has most of the goodness of the D300 and A700 with the A700 price and live view and some video capability also. So it's worth a look.]
I really need help guys,

I decided to get into DSLR's since i love photography and I bought
Nikon D40 last year..took some great pictures and now i decided
upgrade and get into a higher level..I did my search and I'm confused
between these four DSLRs Canon 50D , Nikon 300D, Sony Alpha700 and
Olympus E-3..I really would like to hear your opinions which to get
and why? if it helps im not into sport shooting, im more into nature
and close potrait pictures..

Appreciate your help..
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I do have couple of lenses but not expensive ones..Nikon 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED IF AF-S DX VR Zoom and 35-108 3.5-5.. Therefore you can't really say I made a big investment on lenses..

As for the live veiw it does matter to me since i'm more into portraits, macro and indoor shots..also the image stability plays a major role..so here is my question, which is better to have an image stability system like the Alpha700 and the E-3 or the VR lense on a canon or nikon?

Thank you for your response i really found it helpful..
 
I would take A700 over the 300D, I have both and usualy grab the A700 for work. It is also cheaper. I like the fact that it has internal stabilisator so you can use any lens and sony lenses are lighter than nikon IS lenses.

I found out that for shooting I really hate to have heavy lens, it makes carrying the camera somehow unpleasant which become obvious after few hours.

Really I do like the A700 over 300D for practical purpose. On the pixel-level, I think they both perform great.
 
I sort of replied in other post, but the internal stabilizer wins for me because I can grab any lens. I prefer lighter lens and the nikon stabilised lenses are heavier and only limited number while with sony any lens is stabilised.

Nothing beats a prime 1.4 that is stabilized. Easy to get with sony, but not with nikon and so it goes for other lenses.
 
Staying within your choices, If image quality is your main concern it comes down to the Nikon D300 or the Sony a700. The Canon 50D has image quality issues which the 40D did not. If cost is your main concern get the a700. If in-body stabilization is preferential to you (it is for me!), then get the a700. Otherwise get the Nikon D300.
Simple.
-Phil
 
Hi there,

Was hanging out on this board (doing some research on the A900 and the high grade zeiss glass) and I shoot the Oly E3 with a collection of there high grade glass...the 35-100 f2 and the 14-35 f2 primarily and make a living with my gear.

I have also shot with the D300..cannot speak to the A700 or 50D. If your into nature shooting esp. say wildlife shooting then the Olympus really shines. It of course has a 2X crop factor so a lens say like the 50-200 SWD is a 100-400. Many wildlife photogs seem to enjoy this. The E3 is built like a tank. I've dunked mine in water and came up shooting...shot sport events in a downpour....shot in a dust bowl of a storm. I'm really hard on my gear (freelance photojournalist) and my E3's have served me well in the most demanding conditions. Olympus service is absolutely first rate. Olympus glass is very good. I've shot Canon (Mark IIN's, Nikon D200, Pentax K10D) all with first rate glass but the Oly glass is just soooo nice. The in camera stabilizer is nice and of course the anti-dust feature has been in Oly rigs for a while now. If you're a flash shooter you will appreciate that the E3 pop up flash serves as wireless commander much like the Nikon D300 so some creative lighting stuff is easily done.

Have a friend that shoots a D300 Nikon and he loves it. It is a nice camera and the 51 point AF tracking is excellent for sports and basically any moving targets but since your not a sports guy....

Also remember that you will have more choices of third party lenses if you go with a Canon or Nikon mount. It does appear the Sony/Minolta mount is coming up to snuff from the third party guys now. With Oly you get Oly, Panasonic, and a very limited selection from Sigma. But of course Oly provides a wide range of lenses at various price points.

I honestly think THE most important thing is go hold them in your hand and ask yourself which one FEELS right in my hand. The one that you keep picking up cause it fits..buy that one.

Hope that helps...good luck with your choice.

Happy Shooting,

Chuck

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How do you find Olympus lenses? price? and what do you recommend if I go with E-3?
the durability, live view and image stabilator are appealing to me..
 
my 2 cents
 
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I do have couple of lenses but not expensive ones..Nikon 55-200mm
f/4-5.6G ED IF AF-S DX VR Zoom and 35-108 3.5-5.. Therefore you can't
really say I made a big investment on lenses..

As for the live veiw it does matter to me since i'm more into
portraits, macro and indoor shots..also the image stability plays a
major role..so here is my question, which is better to have an image
stability system like the Alpha700 and the E-3 or the VR lense on a
canon or nikon?

Thank you for your response i really found it helpful..
Hmm, I was a bit concerned by your post in this Forum to be honest as I thought it would descend into fanboyism (although, I suspect a little bit of that has creeped in as thus far the recommendations have been Sony and Sony 2 (i.e. Nikon, which has a Sony sensor).

My other problem is that all the cams you mentioned are excellent. And the considerations are so numerous I reckon my post would have gone on for pages and pages.

One aspect I have not yet seen mentioned (which may have been mentioned in posts below that I have yet to read) is the simply irrational or personal. For me, it's a case of not wanting to follow a herd, so I would rule out (for myself) Canon and Nikon.

Then there is things like aesthetics, feel and weight to consider. Further things to consider is international and national support (i.e. the number of repair centres both manufacturer and independent) and accessories (you will find that nearly every accessory you can think of is made for Canon and Nikon cams and other cam brands are something of an afterthought).

I like Oly and would recommend them but there is one niggling thing in my mind and that is the future. If you want to buy into a system safe in the knowledge that ten years from now you will be still using that system, I fear that Oly is not that system as I really can't see how Oly can continue to insist on keeping that small sensor size for much longer.

As far as image stabilisation goes I would put the issues down like this:

User experience
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Optical image stabilisation offers the best user experience by FAR. How? Well, if for example you are zooming in heavily, due to the highly magnified view the slightest tremor of your hand will result in massive shakes of your viewfinder image sometimes making it a horrid and/or impossible task to focus hand-held.

With optically stabilised systems the view itself becomes stabilised making for a much nicer experience.

In-body systems (e.g Sony, Oly) on the other hand are a bit like religion in that you can't see what's working for you but you must simply have faith that it (I.S.) is working for you. But I should qualify that by saying that Sony's Alpha system offers the best in-body image stabilisation experience because even though you still get that horrid wobbly image in the viewfinder at high magnification, there is an electronic meter akin to a stereo's graphic equaliser within the viewfinder that shows you how hard the image stabilisation is having to work to counter your hand shake.

Cost
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With in-boy I.S. you pay for the feature just once and then EVERY lens you attach to your camera gets stabilised.

With lens based systems you pay an additional premium (of about 1/3) for EVERY stabilised lens you buy; buy five stabilised lenses and you pay for I.S. five times over.

Overal benefits
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Overall, the in-body systems offers the best benefit to the user (especially the Sony system due to its in-viewfinder indication of stabilisation effort). This is because EVERY lens you attach to such a body is stabilised whether that be manual focus lens, short focal length prime, or telephotos; and imagine the wonders of shooting in low light with an f1.4 lens that is ALSO stabilised.

For the likes of Canon or Nikon systems you just don't get short focal length zooms or primes that have I.S. built-in, plus the lenses that do have I.S. built-in are often slightly larger and heavier

If Nikon, Canon and others using in-lens I.S. provided I.S. in ALL types of lenses then I would say that the lens based system would be best to use even if it meant paying a premium for EVERY such lens.

I.S. effectiveness
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I have seen numerous debates as to which system, in-body or in-lens, is the most effective, and I even read a very infomative post/article some time ago by David Kilpratick as to the differences (in terms of effectiveness) between the two.

However, in my view, after having read all the views and "evidence", there really is no significant difference between the two systems .

That's it, my tuppence/€0.02/2 cents worth.

I hope my post/views prove helpful?

Regards,
 
KSPhotog wrote:
Hi there,

Was hanging out on this board (doing some research on the A900 and
the high grade zeiss glass) and I shoot the Oly E3 with a collection
of there high grade glass...the 35-100 f2 and the 14-35 f2 primarily
and make a living with my gear.

I have also shot with the D300..cannot speak to the A700 or 50D. If
your into nature shooting esp. say wildlife shooting then the Olympus
really shines. It of course has a 2X crop factor so a lens say like
the 50-200 SWD is a 100-400. Many wildlife photogs seem to enjoy
this. The E3 is built like a tank. I've dunked mine in water and came
up shooting...shot sport events in a downpour....shot in a dust bowl
of a storm. I'm really hard on my gear (freelance photojournalist)
and my E3's have served me well in the most demanding conditions.
Olympus service is absolutely first rate. Olympus glass is very good.
I've shot Canon (Mark IIN's, Nikon D200, Pentax K10D) all with first
rate glass but the Oly glass is just soooo nice. The in camera
stabilizer is nice and of course the anti-dust feature has been in
Oly rigs for a while now. If you're a flash shooter you will
appreciate that the E3 pop up flash serves as wireless commander much
like the Nikon D300 so some creative lighting stuff is easily done.
And the pop-up flash of the Sony Alphas do the same thing (and (including KM non DSLR cams) were doing it WAAY before Oly woke up to the idea :-)

Secondly, and this I find very cool (and I think unique to Oly), you can fire the pop-up flash simultaneously with a hotshoe mounted flash so as to create fill-in flash, where the pop-up acts as fill and you bouce the hotshoe mounted flash. Well, this is what I learnt from reading the Oly flash manual.

Have you ever tried this?
Have a friend that shoots a D300 Nikon and he loves it. It is a nice
camera and the 51 point AF tracking is excellent for sports and
basically any moving targets but since your not a sports guy....

Also remember that you will have more choices of third party lenses
if you go with a Canon or Nikon mount. It does appear the
Sony/Minolta mount is coming up to snuff from the third party guys
now. With Oly you get Oly, Panasonic, and a very limited selection
from Sigma. But of course Oly provides a wide range of lenses at
various price points.

I honestly think THE most important thing is go hold them in your
hand and ask yourself which one FEELS right in my hand. The one that
you keep picking up cause it fits..buy that one.

Hope that helps...good luck with your choice.

Happy Shooting,

Chuck
Thanks for a very well balanced post.

Regards,
 
really pricey- $1600ish. But about the same cost as the only other ultra wide that is as good the Nikon 14-24, but it's not nearly so wide on a crop camera.

The "kit" 12-60 is very good and starts at an FF equivalent of 24mm.

Right now Oly is offering an E3 kit that includes the 12-60, FL50R for less than $2000.

The 50-200 is a very nice all around lens that would make a pretty decent portrait lens at longer FLs.

The Panny/Lecia 25/1.4 seems to be great. The 50/2 macro makes a nice portrait lens, head and shoulder or head shots.

But since you have a D40, I think you would be better off sticking with Nikon and using your exsisting lenses and the D40 as a backup or 2nd camera.

And since you don't do sport why not look at the D90. IQ is the same as the D300 and if offers a few other bells and whistles for quite a bit less money.

Gene
 
Stop asking what camera to buy:

Go to a good camera shop and ask if you can hold the camera's Try taking pictures. Look thrue the View Finder (you will use it a lot eaven with Lifeview!)
look at hte LCD screen (when possible in the sun)

Try out the camersa. The one that handles best is the best camera for you. The 0.001% better IQ or the 0.2% better noise and so on is far less important then the handling. So please try them out and take the best camera for you

Your results will realy get better with a good handling camera, not with the camera that gives the best this or that.

When you got your camera stop wondering what camera is best start taking pictures and enjoy your camera!
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