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The people with two first names and the rest have effectively taken control of what used to be a great place to visit. I hope they are satisfied with their efforts because they won. I will follow all those decent people that have left and mourn for the loss of something I enjoyed. Why did this happen. Well there are those that cannot stand a good thing and will allocate whatever time it takes to destroy it. They will always win because words do not work against them. They hide behind a keyboard and shoot their mouth off with things that they know if done in person would get their a-- kicked. I have seen this with BBS , CB Radio and others. It is easy to insult people when you are not looking them in the face. The coward chooses to do it over a media where they are safe. Too bad. I will be glad to provide my home address to all the smart mouth punks so they can come visit me. I look forward to it.

Bye
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Jeff S
WB9ZPO
C21OO,E-1O,TCON 314B, FL-40
 
Don't run off. I don't know what this is about, but don't let a few ruin it for you. There are plenty of good people here.
 
Jeff. S,

I'm not exactly sure I know what and who you mean here, but I do understand the substance of your post. I've been here for almost a year and I have seen some very disruptive inhabitants fall into our forum. My observation is that these folks come out of the blue, they disrupt to the maximum extent, and then they leave. They usually do not return. They used to bother me, but not anymore. I simply ignore their posts. It really is easy. Once I identify who it is that I do not want to read, I skip their posts, I skip their messages, a skip them entirely.

This forum is vulnerable to these disruptive types because we are so kind, so congenial, and so forgiving. I personally do not want the forum to change its personality because of this vulnerability. If everyone would agree to avoid reinforcing the disruptive behavior by ignoring it, we could minimize its adverse effects, but repeated pleas to that effect have largely been ineffective. I can't control how the forum responds to these disruptive individuals, but I can control how I respond to them....I don't.

Please reconsider how you let these folks ruin YOUR forum. Remember, they only win if you let them.

jim

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eloquently stated, jim. thanks.

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srp
C-2100UZ (Don't Feed The Trolls)
 
Cmon Jeff, nobody is leaving.

You left out dalnet, usenet, and the ilk. This is different. Don't be so hasty. All they want is attention, and unfortunately they are getting it. This will dry up in a few days. Hang in there dude.

I'm not on every day, but I can tell emotions are building high. If you guys want me to enter a complaint to Phil I will do so. Just tell me what you need. This forum is sweet when everyone is calm. Free speech is a subjective matter. This is not a public forum, this is Phil's forum. :)
Jeff. S said:
The people with two first names and the rest have effectively taken
control of what used to be a great place to visit. I hope they are
satisfied with their efforts because they won. I will follow all
those decent people that have left and mourn for the loss of
something I enjoyed. Why did this happen. Well there are those
that cannot stand a good thing and will allocate whatever time it
takes to destroy it. They will always win because words do not
work against them. They hide behind a keyboard and shoot their
mouth off with things that they know if done in person would get
their a-- kicked. I have seen this with BBS , CB Radio and others.
It is easy to insult people when you are not looking them in the
face. The coward chooses to do it over a media where they are
safe. Too bad. I will be glad to provide my home address to all
the smart mouth punks so they can come visit me. I look forward to
it.

Bye
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Jeff S
WB9ZPO
C21OO,E-1O,TCON 314B, FL-40
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I just don't see it.

1) I control which threads and posts I want to read, as well as when I want to read them. I do this by clicking my mouse....if I don't click it, I can't read it.

2) I decide which threads and posts I want to reply to....if I don't want to reply to it, I don't reply.

This forum has waaaaay to many talented folks giving out good information for me not to be a part of it. So what if a couple folks stop by and stir things up.....once I determine thats what they're doing, I simply ignore each and every one of their posts (I do this by NOT clicking my mouse)

The only way I can see that "they" win is if each and every thread AND each and every post/reply on the forum is by these individuals. This simply ain't the case (bad language, ooops). I THINK I know who "they" are that you're speaking of and I am not affected by them at all. How do I acheive this wonderous state of being.......I don't click on their posts. So for me they don't even exist and I continue to enjoy this forum.

dboogie
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If ya don't use ya head, you'll end up using your feet
 
dboogie said:
I just don't see it.
1) I control which threads and posts I want to read, as well as
when I want to read them. I do this by clicking my mouse....if I
don't click it, I can't read it.
2) I decide which threads and posts I want to reply to....if I
don't want to reply to it, I don't reply.
This forum has waaaaay to many talented folks giving out good
information for me not to be a part of it. So what if a couple
folks stop by and stir things up.....once I determine thats what
they're doing, I simply ignore each and every one of their posts (I
do this by NOT clicking my mouse)
The only way I can see that "they" win is if each and every thread
AND each and every post/reply on the forum is by these individuals.
This simply ain't the case (bad language, ooops). I THINK I know
who "they" are that you're speaking of and I am not affected by
them at all. How do I acheive this wonderous state of being.......I
don't click on their posts. So for me they don't even exist and I
continue to enjoy this forum.

dboogie
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If ya don't use ya head, you'll end up using your feet
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Jeff S
WB9ZPO
C21OO,E-1O,TCON 314B, FL-40
 
Thanks DB I needed that. You are right. I guess I needed to vent. You have put me back on the the right path. I appreciate it.
Jeff S
WB9ZPO
C21OO,E-1O,TCON 314B, FL-40
 
Glad to hear that Jeff!!!

Now lets get out there and take some pictures!! Find something that you've been struggling with and go out there and try to capture it (I'm still working on macro shots). Then come back here and tell us how ya did. Threads such as what I just described will help keep our attention away from the "they-folks" hehehehe

dboogie
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If ya don't use ya head, you'll end up using your feet
 
Things have changed...

Either because so many have left to go to photosig or just the influx of new folks... the forum looks more like it was when the first messages were posted. That night I stayed up browsing through the messages you can see the change in the forum...from dry purely techie stuff to the very first post of a photo to the development of a community to the wild and whacky and stormy days...

Now it is back to the dry techie..

I posted a Happy Humpday message today and it went completely ignored...and I invited others to post their funnies...a few months ago it would have been filled with funny photos or other such things..

I love to learn and I love to share what I have learned, but I work fulltime...and I am trying very hard to develop what I have dreamed about all my life. I tired very much to come here and see the fighting and especially the name calling. This time I ignored the posts...had to sit on my hands... :)

But it hurt me deeply to see a friend of mine ridiculed by having someone post his image in photos and then encourage people to laugh about that? And no I do not mean Biff!

I will check in from time to time and try to post to help and to learn, but...

The magic is gone..and the music has died.. The forum is now as Phil would want. A technical forum about Olympus cameras with a little noise here and there from time to time.

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RichO :)
San Antonio, TX
http://www.pbase.com/richo/
http://www.richo.org/LearningCenter/faq_olympus.htm
'Life is a dance, Love is the music.'
 
Hi Jeff,

Jim and all other positive reply-ers stated it quite well! Unfortunately it takes all kinds of poeple to make this world go around!!! I think this forum is the best around - - - what makes it so great is it's supporting members.
Jeff. S said:
Thanks DB I needed that. You are right. I guess I needed to
vent. You have put me back on the the right path. I appreciate it.
Jeff S
WB9ZPO
C21OO,E-1O,TCON 314B, FL-40
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JB
 
My heart bleeds for you. Bye.

This forum still has the same quality people it had two years ago, or more.

Not sure what you are up to Richo, but probably no good.

Band together folks, it looks like prirates from my dalnet days. They are getting more sophisticated, except RichO. He is not happy. Would any of us be looking for dry techy stuff? Always here. RichO has not been around that long. Correct me if I'm wrong. Things are a little strange about the oly forum tonight. I just take pictures, and hope for a litle help from all the great folks here.
RichO said:
Things have changed...

Either because so many have left to go to photosig or just the
influx of new folks... the forum looks more like it was when the
first messages were posted. That night I stayed up browsing
through the messages you can see the change in the forum...from dry
purely techie stuff to the very first post of a photo to the
development of a community to the wild and whacky and stormy days...

Now it is back to the dry techie..

I posted a Happy Humpday message today and it went completely
ignored...and I invited others to post their funnies...a few months
ago it would have been filled with funny photos or other such
things..

I love to learn and I love to share what I have learned, but I work
fulltime...and I am trying very hard to develop what I have dreamed
about all my life. I tired very much to come here and see the
fighting and especially the name calling. This time I ignored the
posts...had to sit on my hands... :)

But it hurt me deeply to see a friend of mine ridiculed by having
someone post his image in photos and then encourage people to laugh
about that? And no I do not mean Biff!

I will check in from time to time and try to post to help and to
learn, but...

The magic is gone..and the music has died.. The forum is now as
Phil would want. A technical forum about Olympus cameras with a
little noise here and there from time to time.

--
RichO :)
San Antonio, TX
http://www.pbase.com/richo/
http://www.richo.org/LearningCenter/faq_olympus.htm
'Life is a dance, Love is the music.'
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barbwire said:
My heart bleeds for you. Bye.

This forum still has the same quality people it had two years ago,
or more.

Not sure what you are up to Richo, but probably no good.
Band together folks, it looks like prirates from my dalnet days.
They are getting more sophisticated, except RichO.
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Not sure why I have caused you to have a negative opinion of me. I do not believe I deserve all of it. I fully admit. I am human and certainly not perfect.

I sorry you have that opinion, but I think I deserve an explanation as to why you have slandered me in public.

Have I ever done that to you? or anyone?

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RichO :)
San Antonio, TX
http://www.pbase.com/richo/
http://www.richo.org/LearningCenter/faq_olympus.htm
'Life is a dance, Love is the music.'
 
Darn Rich, you sound so sad. I agree that things have changed. I don't know if its for the better or for the worst....its just change. New people coming aboard, some folks stepping up to more advanced cameras, some going to other critique sites...some folks just plain too busy with other things in life to stop by. I can only speak for myself, but I'm still enjoying it here. I'm still getting good advice on problems with my photography. I'm still giving good (I hope) advice when I feel confident enough to give it. I'm still seeing wonderful pictures and I'm still having fun. When I first joined the forum around November/December last year, I'm sure some of the older heads may have been feeling the same as you are now. There definitely were a lot of new folks (including me) coming here because it was the holidays and everyone had questions about their new digital camera. Now THOSE new folks are old heads. There definitely were some heated arguments. And some folks left the forum to pursue other things. Heck, I guess what I'm trying to say is this is the internet and there is a lot of cr@p out there. This forum isn't immune to it and it definitely invades from time to time. I thinks its all one great big cycle...stick it out and everything will be lovely. I don't think the OVERALL vibe of the forum has changed much at all since I've been here. I still enjoy it and I hope that we don't lose you.

SCREEEEECH...subject change! Did the San Antonio zoo receive much flood damage? I may be in the San Antonio area in a few weeks and I was thinking of possibly going there...I've never been to a zoo in my life :O(

dboogie

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If ya don't use ya head, you'll end up using your feet
 
RichO said:
Things have changed...

Either because so many have left to go to photosig or just the
influx of new folks... the forum looks more like it was when the
first messages were posted. That night I stayed up browsing
through the messages you can see the change in the forum...from dry
purely techie stuff to the very first post of a photo to the
development of a community to the wild and whacky and stormy days...

Now it is back to the dry techie..
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Hardly. I was part of this forum back last Summer/Fall and it was very much more technical and/or related to hardware, technique, usage, models, etc. In other words, it was a forum focused (pun intended) on Olympus digital cameras and how to use 'em (imagine that!).

I left this forum for about 7 months, busy with RL. Upon coming back a month or more ago, I find that it's much more of a social club now: people are posting more photos just for the sake of "look at what I did," people are submitting prayer lists, etc. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just different than what the forum started out as. It is still way more social than it was, and is possibly more social than technical even now (something I'm not particularly fond of myself, but that's the curmudgeon in me talking).
RichO said:
I posted a Happy Humpday message today and it went completely
ignored...and I invited others to post their funnies...a few months
ago it would have been filled with funny photos or other such
things..
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Maybe that's because it was possibly (a) not germane to the point of this forum, (b) not something the folks who aren't retired/unemployed on this forum have time to participate in, (c) not interesting to most people, or (d) not very funny. I dunno...maybe it was none of those and it was just overlooked in all the frantic name-calling and (virtual) chair-throwing (a.k.a. the "Jerry Springer effect").
RichO said:
The magic is gone..and the music has died.. The forum is now as
Phil would want. A technical forum about Olympus cameras with a
little noise here and there from time to time.
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I'm not sure you and I are reading the same forum, RichO, but I wouldn't personally complain if it did move more towards technical discussion with some joviality/kinship/humor sprinkled in for good measure. After all, we all probably have real-life friends that provide us with the latter, but most of those same friends don't know jack about how to minimize chromatic aberration when shooting long-zoom shots with an UZI.
  • CraigF
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=21873
http://www.memoware.com/craig/2100/
http://www.pbase.com/craigf
 
I'm not to say what's right or wrong either but I think the techie stuff is getting hard to find. The titles of posts often don't reveal what the topic is about so the good (subjective of course) material is often a bit hard to find. I do like friendliness in a forum and I don't mind the occasional OT post. But like you said, about a year ago this place was packed with technical questions and advice about Olympus cameras and editing of pictures. I like to check in on my buddies on the forum but the main reason I'm here is to learn about photography and if possible help out other people.

Maxven
CraigF said:
RichO said:
Things have changed...

Either because so many have left to go to photosig or just the
influx of new folks... the forum looks more like it was when the
first messages were posted. That night I stayed up browsing
through the messages you can see the change in the forum...from dry
purely techie stuff to the very first post of a photo to the
development of a community to the wild and whacky and stormy days...

Now it is back to the dry techie..
Click to expand...
Hardly. I was part of this forum back last Summer/Fall and it was
very much more technical and/or related to hardware, technique,
usage, models, etc. In other words, it was a forum focused (pun
intended) on Olympus digital cameras and how to use 'em (imagine
that!).

I left this forum for about 7 months, busy with RL. Upon coming
back a month or more ago, I find that it's much more of a social
club now: people are posting more photos just for the sake of
"look at what I did," people are submitting prayer lists, etc. I'm
not saying that's right or wrong, it's just different than what the
forum started out as. It is still way more social than it was,
and is possibly more social than technical even now (something I'm
not particularly fond of myself, but that's the curmudgeon in me
talking).
CraigF2004 said:
I posted a Happy Humpday message today and it went completely
ignored...and I invited others to post their funnies...a few months
ago it would have been filled with funny photos or other such
things..
Click to expand...
Maybe that's because it was possibly (a) not germane to the point
of this forum, (b) not something the folks who aren't
retired/unemployed on this forum have time to participate in, (c)
not interesting to most people, or (d) not very funny. I
dunno...maybe it was none of those and it was just overlooked in
all the frantic name-calling and (virtual) chair-throwing (a.k.a.
the "Jerry Springer effect").
CraigF2004 said:
The magic is gone..and the music has died.. The forum is now as
Phil would want. A technical forum about Olympus cameras with a
little noise here and there from time to time.
Click to expand...
I'm not sure you and I are reading the same forum, RichO, but I
wouldn't personally complain if it did move more towards
technical discussion with some joviality/kinship/humor sprinkled in
for good measure. After all, we all probably have real-life
friends that provide us with the latter, but most of those same
friends don't know jack about how to minimize chromatic aberration
when shooting long-zoom shots with an UZI.
  • CraigF
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=21873
http://www.memoware.com/craig/2100/
http://www.pbase.com/craigf
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I know things change and forums change. I have been a member of several and saw them come go, sometimes come back...

Regardless of barbwire's opinion of me, I honestly love to learn and share. I will continue to that here as I can either help or be helped.

People are the magic...and how they reach out to others . How they treat others...how they speak to others...and how they tolerate others.

Learning is the treasure...when people share what they have learned they create the magic.

When I first found this forum it was in CompUSA...I thought when I scanned just the front page messages....wow! they are learning...sharing and having fun...

Barbwire might not believe this about me, but I get excited when I see people get excited about posting their photos.

I can't even remember who started the DORKS thread, but I thought it was great...why? because we had fun sharing our dorky photos...

The DORKS photos are a good learning experience for beginners...each one presents a challenge that covers all the zones....from sunsets, moon shots, ducks, barns and still life (dressed appliances).

Life should truly be like a dance...like the first dance you ever had with that special someone...like the dance you had in your feet when you saw your newborn child for the first time...or the first dance that my daughter had...and it was with her dad...or like the first time you mastered something and you yelled.."I DID IT!"

I choose that type of Life...a life of happy joyful love for one another

...not the life where people ridicule others to bring hurt and pain...not the life where people enjoy hate and terror and fear..not the life where people do not respect other's beliefs and cultures.

I never said I was leaving, but I have a right to my opinion. I also believe I should be free to share that without being attacked.

Will this forum continue? The people will decide that....not me nor barbwire, fled, or anyone.

To me when I read the recent posts and saw the bickering and fighting it made me sad. That is an honest expression of how I feel.

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RichO :)
San Antonio, TX
http://www.pbase.com/richo/
http://www.richo.org/LearningCenter/faq_olympus.htm
'Life is a dance, Love is the music.'
 
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