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Though I hope I'm wrong, I doubt that Fuji will be skipping one generation and coming back with a new DSLR. Too many Fuji users and potential switchers will have moved on, by then. Recapturing the niche market that Fuji currently holds would not be economically feasible IMHO.

Why, even prolonging the lifespan of the S5 would have been a sign that more was coming... Instead, Fuji has discontinued the S5 and clearly announced that it was bailing out of the DSLR business...
Bad Pic kev said:
small underground chatter indicating that the release of the d700
killed the s6 pro.

maybe thom will have more filler info

what i can make out is fuj iwas moving ahead with the s6 and once the
d700 was announced it sort of made the s6 an un-viable camera at its
price point.

the chatter also seems to indicate that fuji might be reworking this
from a crop camera to a ff and call it the s7. there is not a lot of
faith in this one as i have seen it twice and both times from the
same source.

all of these rumors are what i would call low profile and low
confidence quality stuff.
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wepwawet said:
Why, even prolonging the lifespan of the S5 would have been a sign
that more was coming... Instead, Fuji has discontinued the S5 and
clearly announced that it was bailing out of the DSLR business...
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Can you post a link to the announcements? Thanks!
 
Artichoke said:
I want a DSLR for telephoto work and for macros, which are not in a
rangefinder's repertoire
for both of these purposes, a FF DSLR has disadvantages
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That is unfortunately a common misconception. APS-C models are diffraction limited more than full frame. At an f/stop of f/11, diffraction limits resolution to 7mp for APS-C models, and it limits resolution to 16mp for full frame. Therefore, the D700 will outresolve the D300 when doing macro at typically small apertures used for macro photography.

As for telephoto, the full frame sensor isn't disadvantaged at all. It still gives the user the same coverage and adds a bit more outside the APS-C frame. More isn't worse. It is better. Besides, there isn't any telephoto lens that can resolve enough to give you 12mp resolution if you have an APS-C sensor, so you wind up with a handful more pixels at best when using an APS-C sensor. The full frame will give you less noise at high ISO settings, without resorting to detail smearing noise reduction. In reality you actually end up with more detail when shooting with a 400mm lens and the D700 then you do with the D300 and the same lens, even after cropping the D700 image to match the reach of the D300, especially if you use an ISO of 400, 800 or above.
Artichoke said:
in the F mount (for which I have some wonderful lenses) the present
best APS camera is the D300, which I have considered, but which does
not quite satisfy regarding colors/tonality I have seen from its CMOS
sensor
I am hoping the APS sensor will not be abandoned
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No it will not be abandoned. It is a cash cow for two reasons.

1. most DSLR cameras sold are still APS-C.

2. High end APS-C models set a price floor. No full frame model will ever fall through that price floor. So the presence of APS-C models allow camera makers to set artificially high prices for full frame models.
Artichoke said:
a 12/12 dual site SCCD in APS would have a market (there are lots of
folks who shoot tele & macros out there) and Fujifilm could pull this
off using the technological legerdemain they have demonstrated with
their PS line
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Fujifilm cannot defy the laws of physics. A 12+12mp APS-C super CCD sensor would be just as noisy at high ISO settings as a D300 and would require just as heavy a dose of noise reduction.
Artichoke said:
for a CCD based sensor FF may be prohibitively expensive
OTOH Fujifilm seems to be emphasizing its medical imaging business &
may not ever produce another DSLR ...I cannot believe the R&D
invested in its organic sensor will not come into the market, but it
may do this badged as a Nikon
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I doubt it. Nikon likes fat profit margins. It will use the cheapest sensors it can find in its DSLR cameras and charge a bit more than its competition in most cases, and a lot more in some cases. A full fame Super CCD won't be cheap since full frame CMOS sensors are much cheaper to make.
Artichoke said:
the "Big" announcement from Nikon is due in February & may just be
such a breakthrough camera
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I think it is more likely that the D3 successor gets a 16mp full frame sensor made in house by Nikon than Nikon using a Fujifilm CCD sensor.
 
Anastigmat said:
That is unfortunately a common misconception. APS-C models are
diffraction limited more than full frame.
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Unfortunately, your response, too, has some misconception in it. The sensor size has nothing to do with diffraction. The pixel density does. Basically, most of us that run regular testing believe that the Bayer pattern hides diffraction impacts somewhat until about 2x the photosite size. Below that mark and diffraction is present, but not in the levels you'd expect. Above that mark and diffraction shows up exactly as expected. I made the mistake a long time ago of calling this "the diffraction limit" and unfortunately, the term has stuck. A better description would have been "full diffraction impact becomes visible starting at f/x."

An FX sensor with the same pixel pitch as an APS sensor is going to show diffraction essentially the same way if you pixel peep. True, the extra pixels will tend to hide the diffraction in prints, but at the pixel level, the recording of diffraction is essentially the same (there can be other small differences caused by AA filtration and microlenses, but generally not enough to change the point at which the diffraction starts being fully recorded).

So, I fully expect that when I measure the D3x I'll find similar diffraction impacts as I see in the D300, as the photosite size is nearly the same.
Anastigmat said:
Fujifilm cannot defy the laws of physics.
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No, they can't. But as they've shown with some recent sensors (the one in the F100S comes to mind), they have something different that the others don't have. Likewise, the D3 proved that there were still technologies (in that case, microlenses) that can contribute. I know of two distinctly different technologies currently in late stages of development that will have stop or more impacts.
Anastigmat said:
A 12+12mp APS-C super CCD
sensor would be just as noisy at high ISO settings as a D300 and
would require just as heavy a dose of noise reduction.
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Thus I wouldn't make a blanket statement like this. The D300/D90 is a step beyond the D200/D80. What comes next will be another step. How big a step depends upon which technologies are used. Given what I know of current sensors in development, I can imagine as much at as a stop-and-a-half difference within a generation or two. Whether Fujifilm has that is another question, of course ; ).
Anastigmat said:
I think it is more likely that the D3 successor gets a 16mp full
frame sensor made in house by Nikon than Nikon using a Fujifilm CCD
sensor.
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I would agree.

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Anastigmat said:
That is unfortunately a common misconception. APS-C models are
diffraction limited more than full frame.
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Hmm. The DX crop out of DX3 sensor is equivalent to having a D300 sensor in that camera. Please explain how you got to the conclusion that one would be more diffraction limited than the other.

Igor
 
Thom Hogan said:
Thom Hogan said:
I think it is more likely that the D3 successor gets a 16mp full
frame sensor made in house by Nikon than Nikon using a Fujifilm CCD
sensor.
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I would agree.
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author, Complete Guides to Nikon bodies (19 and counting)
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Something you mentioned some time ago on your website was about fuji using a larger than full frame sensor. Of course, your meaning was in medium or large format cameras. But if Fuji were to adapt a slightly larger sensor than is currently used by Canon, Nikon and sony in a adapted nikon body, it could leapfrog ahead in resolution while maintaining its wide dynamic range lead as well.
Will
 
Anything inbetween will not make sense. If they stay DX, you can use DX lenses. And those lenses border the 1.5 crop sensors so tight, that you cann not use them on any sensor that is only slightly larger.

By the way, the DX lenses vignett less on the Fuji sensor than on the D300 although both sensors have the same size. So maybe pixeldensity or other features of the sensordesign make the Fuji sensor less prone to vignetting.

But if they use for example a 1.3 crop sensor, you have to use FX lenses, which anyway more sens to me, since 3rd party lenses are sometimes even cheaper than DX lenses from Nikon or Canon. But the sensor would be inbetween the two markets. Would the market accept such a design? How about flash units? will the focal range adaptors of the flash units work well with the 1.3 crop sensor?

I still hope for FX. SLR or Rangefinder.
 
I also hope for FX but also in combination that nikon will finally bring out some good primes like canon has like the 24 1.4 35 1.4 etc

I still wait for either the announcement of a full frame fuji and or some acceptable primes before I consider the switch to either the d700 or the s7
 
I don't agree. It can be done. Although we have to think different. A square (or a 5:4 aspect ratio) sensor might be an option.
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"I was told so by a Fuji rep at the Paris photo show a few weeks ago... which was official enough for me."

i was told from fuji that the s6 in a D700 body will be announced next month.

i hope he wasnt b.s.
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oris said:
i was told from fuji that the s6 in a D700 body will be announced
next month.

i hope he wasnt b.s.
ori
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That would be lovely. I have been considering buying a D700 while waiting for a D700x to be announced and affordable enough. But if there is a S6 coming, things might change. I want more DR, and am willing to sacrifice some resolution to get it with a single shot.

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Have they?..I have seen no such announcement..either regarding the discontinuation of the S5 or that they are "bailing out"..certainly seen nothing in the UK...or on the Fuji site?

There is still new stock of S5 in the UK and the D200 continues to be available..admittedly for how long may be an issue...

Perhaps you could help with a link here?
 
igivanov said:
Hmm. The DX crop out of DX3 sensor is equivalent to having a D300
sensor in that camera. Please explain how you got to the conclusion
that one would be more diffraction limited than the other.

Igor
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Incorrect. The DX crop of the D3 uses approx 5MP of the sensor. The equivalent size of sensor area on the D300 gives a 12MP image. It is the resolution not the pixel density which decreases when you use the DX mode on an FX camera.
 
a D3X, but these rumors of a Fujifilm new DSLR keep me from doing so

if it uses a D700 body, it means it will be FF, which is not optimal for my purposes (telephoto/macro) but I could make do if it had sufficient increase in resolution
a 12/12 FF SCCD should do the trick

I have been a bit disappointed in the color I see from the D3X but the samples from it to date have been few ...I have some concerns about their implementation of 14 bit depth from the Sony CMOS sensor & note that the NEF files at 14 bit come in at 138 MB!
like many here, I hope these new Fujifilm DSLR rumors will come to realization

Fujifilm makes such wonderful sensors & understands how to squeeze exquisite IQ from them ...I shot my S3 mainly using jpgs & rarely regretted doing so
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Artichoke said:
a 12/12 FF SCCD should do the trick
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S3 sensor in 36,0 x 24,0 mm size would have 14,89+14,89 MP, that might be enough if they do not have anything better to offer and the price is not stellar.

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I guess I would like a FF Fujifilm camera as much as anyone on the forum.

However, I don't see how they could afford to make it.

Celarly they could do a layout that uses the cell from the S3/S5. They would have to dramatically increase the read speed and on board processor speed because current processor speeds would just choke the camera to 1 frame per, I dont know the number, but based on the S5, they would be lucky to get it to 1 frame every 4 to 8 seconds. Improved read speed, and processor speed is available though so that can be done.

The real problem is the wafer processing of a full field device and the payback for such an investment.

One possible way they might be able to get it done would be in designing the FF chip through an agreement with Nikon, and running the fuji FF chip on the same processing line that the D3/D700 chip is running on. I know from personal direct hands on experience that kind of arrangement is often done. I have no idea where the actual numbers lie but if Nikon has not sold enough D700's, and they certainly are available now at multiple sources, Nikon might be willing to run a Fuji product to keep the line going. Without a threshold number of wafers running on a process that process will die and it is terribly expensive to get it running properly again if they let it die.

On the other side of the business, that is on the consumer side, if such a device, a 14/14 FF chip with photographic behavior like the S5 were delivered, it would be a dream come true. I would never need another camera.
 
So at what price?

Assume D700 body then the baseline has to start at $2,900 plus the Fuji mark up.

I'll guess at a stake in the ground and suggest $3,400.

Based on nothing but speculation and past Fujifilm behavior----

Would you buy it at $3,400 for 14/14 FF Fujifilm Pro S6 based on a D700 body.

It looks like you can now get a D700 for $2,276 from the lowest priced vendor I could find with at least a 4 starr rating. There are lower advertised prices but not from reputable dealers. Also, by the time the camera becomes available the D700 would probably be going for below $2000.

Tough decision I think. I'm not sure I would go for it since I don't need anything more than the S5 delivers when I need the DR.
 
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