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peter ford said:
Yes its good if you buy abroad,i have bought many items overseas.but
why should sellers have to take paypal if they dont want to,cheque
and postal order are still good for us UK sellers and you dont get
charged for them.If Paypal goes bust tomorrow everybody that has
money in there account will loose it because they are not a bank.When
i buy a item and use paypal i like to think the seller is going to
get paid with my money straight away.this is why alot of sellers are
leaving Ebay and finding other ways to sell there items.
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eBay is global market, not only UK. If a seller offers international sales he can not demand money transfer or cheques. I think most banks don't even issue cheques any more because it is old, expensive to use and the most unsecure way of payment. Why a seller must accept Paypal even if he wants to sell locally only, I have no idea. You should ask eBay. No point ranting here about it.
peter ford said:
What the original poster is saying he has to wait 21 days or when
feedback is left,which is out of order.This means he has to pay for
postage out of his own pocket then wait for a payment.if he has to
wait 21 days,he then has to transfer the money to his bank which
takes anothe 5 to 7 days,so he could wait a month for a payment.
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That is not normally true. When I buy something I pay immediately and I normally receive a mail within one day directly from the seller saying he received my payment. They usually ship first after that. i.e. after receiving payment. OK, money may be locked by PayPal but the money is there.
peter ford said:
You dont go to the shops and say i will pay you in a few weeks if
your goods are ok.
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Actually yes, you do. Quite a few shops offer "buy now pay later" and almost every one of them lets you take the goods home to try it and if you don't like it you can return it and get your money back. That's the way it is in Sweden, how it is in UK I don't know, but it was similar in France when I was living there as well.
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to be a very irritating place to do business. I have only used it a few times and my most recent transaction is pending right now. I bought a camera from this person and paid for it immediately with paypal. So a week later and 3 sent emails, I have yet to hear from this person. Interestingly, before I won the auction, they responded to a question of mine within the hour from their wireless blackberry .

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Wherever I go, there I am
 
Regarding people having issues with Paypal, just type a search term like "Paypal problems" into Google or your favorite search engine. Expect several thousand unique results. You might want to look up the complaints and inquiries involving the NY Attorney General and issues about them acting as a bank without a banking license.

Elon Musk may have sold Paypal and moved on to SpaceX, but many quesitonable practices remain, and they now appear to be creating new ones. I had hoped tha tthe opposite would occur since eBay was a reputable and fairly well respected company when they made the purchase.

For my part I use Paypal with great caution and refuse to keep much money in my account because I know that I can lose it at any time.

I know this is a bit of a rant, but I and others I know have been burned too many times by Paypal to have a "warm, fuzzy feeling" about them.
 
I also have about 60 ebay feedbacks, 100% positive, but recently ran into the 21 money hold policy. I hate it. I finally got the money released in about 10 days after calling and complaining-- and this was after I (the seller) and the buyer had left positive feedback for each other.

It's clear to me that ebay wants all members to be "businesses" and that they find individual, occassional sellers an expensive pain.

But, they're pretty much the "only game in town", i.e. a monopoly on i-net auction type sales. They're now much, much less useful to me.

My rant over too.

Cheers. Craig
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Hmmm. Well, that sure explains a lot. I knew they were somehow partners, but they're really the same company? That makes their fees even more unconscionable.

So, let's see... I pay ebay an insertion fee to list my item for sale. Then I pay PayPal a fee to transfer the money from the buyer's PayPal account to my PayPal account. Then, as if that's not bad enough, I pay them a fee to take 3-5 business days to transfer my money to my bank.

I'm done with ebay after this.
 
olyflyer said:
peter ford said:
Yes its good if you buy abroad,i have bought many items overseas.but
why should sellers have to take paypal if they dont want to,cheque
and postal order are still good for us UK sellers and you dont get
charged for them.If Paypal goes bust tomorrow everybody that has
money in there account will loose it because they are not a bank.When
i buy a item and use paypal i like to think the seller is going to
get paid with my money straight away.this is why alot of sellers are
leaving Ebay and finding other ways to sell there items.
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eBay is global market, not only UK. If a seller offers international
sales he can not demand money transfer or cheques. I think most banks
don't even issue cheques any more because it is old, expensive to use
and the most unsecure way of payment. Why a seller must accept Paypal
even if he wants to sell locally only, I have no idea. You should ask
eBay. No point ranting here about it.
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Cheques are far from dead here,what i am saying is Ebay is forcing you to use there paypal payment system so they can make even more money from your sale.you pay a fee to list the item,they you pay a fee when the item sales which is fair enough,but then you are forced to take the payment with paypal which cost you again,and if you are selling a low valued item under £50.00 you have to pay another fee to transfer it to your bank,with all these fees you can see why people are giving up selling on Ebay,and now you got new rules where they can hold your payment for 21 days.you cant sell any items now without accepting Paypal.you will understand if you start selling on Ebay,its meant to be fun and earn abit of pocket money,but those days have gone.
olyflyer said:
olyflyer said:
What the original poster is saying he has to wait 21 days or when
feedback is left,which is out of order.This means he has to pay for
postage out of his own pocket then wait for a payment.if he has to
wait 21 days,he then has to transfer the money to his bank which
takes anothe 5 to 7 days,so he could wait a month for a payment.
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That is not normally true. When I buy something I pay immediately and
I normally receive a mail within one day directly from the seller
saying he received my payment. They usually ship first after that.
i.e. after receiving payment. OK, money may be locked by PayPal but
the money is there.
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Yes they have recieved the payment to there paypal account and is not theres until it has reached there bank.Paypal are finding ways to keep the buyers payment in there system before letting the seller have it.As i said before if Paypal shuts down tomorrow,you will lose any money you have in there account.You sell a item you should have the right to have the payment when you want it.
olyflyer said:
olyflyer said:
You dont go to the shops and say i will pay you in a few weeks if
your goods are ok.
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Actually yes, you do. Quite a few shops offer "buy now pay later" and
almost every one of them lets you take the goods home to try it and
if you don't like it you can return it and get your money back.
That's the way it is in Sweden, how it is in UK I don't know, but it
was similar in France when I was living there as well.
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Yes thats big shops that can afford to have things returned within a week.and thats buying new.most on Ebay are small sellers trying to make abit of pocket money for items they no longer need,but Ebay are doing there best to stop this,they seem to want retail companys only.

I bet your supermarket wont let you take the food home and if it tastes good you can go back and pay for it.

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mmditter said:
Hmmm. Well, that sure explains a lot. I knew they were somehow
partners, but they're really the same company? That makes their fees
even more unconscionable.

So, let's see... I pay ebay an insertion fee to list my item for
sale. Then I pay PayPal a fee to transfer the money from the buyer's
PayPal account to my PayPal account. Then, as if that's not bad
enough, I pay them a fee to take 3-5 business days to transfer my
money to my bank.

I'm done with ebay after this.
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Yes they been the same company for a long time,i been selling for on 8 years on ebay,it was fun at first to make abit of pocket money.

When i started it was only a final sale fee to pay,then the following year they added reserve fees and listing fees,then they put the fees up,then they added tax to all the fees.then paypal started which was free at first,but never lasted for long they started charging fees for payment for items,then the next year they charged for items and your postage,yes they make money from your postage charge to the buyer.so then the seller has to add abit to postage to make for this,but now ebay has a star system if buyer has been charged more than what the stamps say,a buyer can give you a bad rating if he wants to.hardly a fair system if your a small seller.

So yes i agree its not worth the hassle no more.i will use Ebid now,Ebid are like when Ebay first started,abit of fun and earn a few pennys for unwanted items.
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peter ford said:
Yes thats big shops that can afford to have things returned within a
week.and thats buying new.most on Ebay are small sellers trying to
make abit of pocket money for items they no longer need,but Ebay are
doing there best to stop this,they seem to want retail companys only.
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I am not talking about eBay, but shops with real people in it. I thought it was clear. eBay is not a shop, AFAIK everything there must be paid in advance.
peter ford said:
I bet your supermarket wont let you take the food home and if it
tastes good you can go back and pay for it.
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I was serious in my posts in this thread. Sorry for trying to answer a question.
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I'm from Sweden and just like René I don't like to be forced to use PayPal.
olyflyer said:
Bank trasfer is not a problem, it is just an extra cost for the buyer.
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When I transfer money to PayPal from my bank, they use a very poor exchange rate that loses me 5%.

Then if I want to pay in UK pounds, there goes another 2.5%.

And if I want to sell using PayPal there is a substantial fee as well.

Just my two oere
Erik from Sweden
 
QCR said:
The only way Ebay holds any money for 21 days is if you are a risk.
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With all due respect, if you read my original post, a major point that I was trying to make is that I don't understand why they would consider me a risk. I have been buying and selling there for six years. As I indicated, I a score of 92 and my feedback is 100%. Read my feedback if you like (my ID there is ditto1958) and see if you think I am a risk to anyone.
 
What does that 92 represent? I'm not clear on that.
Is that 92 transactions in 6 years?

They may consider that risky based on their observations of sales history on ebay.

I have only had a couple of problems with ebay in over 500 transactions.

One person ripped me off outright and ran the time out on the clock for negative feedback.

Another person tried to make me accept his shipment of damaged merchandise but PayPal took my side. The seller even posted that I was right to make the claim after it was all said and done. I think he was fishing for positive feedback from me but I couldn't do that.

I've tried ioffer.com and sold a couple of things on there with no hitch.

You don't pay until the item sells, if it sells.
You can post large pictures and as many as you want at very reasonable rates.

As far as PayPal goes another alternative is revolutionmoney.com
They are a bank and have to follow all the US banking laws.
 
To me the obvious escapes you. Don't do business on eBay. Find another venue, there are plenty of them out there. Sell direct via several forums that allow such. Price you item fairly, include good quality photos, and it should sell. Quit looking for the max dollar via eBay. If we stop doing business on eBay (as I have) they will eventually learn and change their policies. As long as you keep dealing via eBay you will be at their mercy.

Don
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Bruce Cockburn
 
Ehrik said:
olyflyer said:
Bank trasfer is not a problem, it is just an extra cost for the buyer.
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When I transfer money to PayPal from my bank, they use a very poor
exchange rate that loses me 5%.
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The exchange rate is something your bank sets, not PayPal.
Ehrik said:
Then if I want to pay in UK pounds, there goes another 2.5%.
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I use credit card (MasterCard/Eurocard) to pay ny eBay purchases through PayPal and I like the use of PayPal. It gives me a good overview of all my transfers and it handles my credit card number in a secure way. The credit card company has also some fees in the form of bad exchange rates but not even in the vicinity of what you are talking about. The use of credit card gives me an extra security as well compared to direct money transfers.
Ehrik said:
And if I want to sell using PayPal there is a substantial fee as well.
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That's one reason why I don't use PayPal. I am not selling anything on eBay, just occasionally on Tradera. If somebody would demand paying through PayPal I just increase the final price to cover the costs. I don't run any auction business so I am not doing it for making money and don't care if somebody is not ready to pay extra, I can wait for the next buyer.
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olyflyer said:
olyflyer said:
olyflyer said:
Bank trasfer is not a problem, it is just an extra cost for the buyer.
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When I transfer money to PayPal from my bank, they use a very poor
exchange rate that loses me 5%.
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The exchange rate is something your bank sets, not PayPal.
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Nope, I make a payment to a Swedish bank account that PayPal owns, in Swedish currency, no fees. Then the transferred amount, minus 5%, turns up in Euro on my PayPal account.

Just my two oere
Erik from Sweden
 
I guess I wouldn't be complaining if there were an alternative out there as good as the way ebay was a couple of years ago. So I'm complaining because the ebay that I liked using has been changed so much as to be gone, but nothing else has come in to really adequately fill the void.

Regarding risk, to answer another reply, 92 is not a particularly high score. It represents transactions for which I received feedback, both as a buyer and a seller. I actually have done more transactions than that, but they are not reflected in the number as I have on occasion bought more than one item from the same seller. Even though that seller gives me feedback each time I by from them, it doesn't add to my score.

I am not a person who buys and sells on ebay for a living, or even for part time work. I just buy and sell things there as the need arises. If I see a seller with a similar history, I don't think I would think it risky at all to buy from them. If someone buys and sells on ebay over the course of several years, has been involved in over 92 transactions, and always has had positive feedback, I think that's a good sign they are reliable.
 
Can't one sell something on Amazon with a set price? If so at least you'll get a lot of traffic.

Craigslist is great if you live in a large metro and get enough traffic.

The problem I've got with the eBay competitors is none of them have gained any traction - you don't get the traffic to ensure a good price.

I agree that eBay has gotten out of control re. fees and I'm selling items less and less there as a result.

Best,
Oly
 
Ehrik said:
olyflyer said:
Ehrik said:
olyflyer said:
Bank trasfer is not a problem, it is just an extra cost for the buyer.
Click to expand...
When I transfer money to PayPal from my bank, they use a very poor
exchange rate that loses me 5%.
Click to expand...
The exchange rate is something your bank sets, not PayPal.
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Nope, I make a payment to a Swedish bank account that PayPal owns, in
Swedish currency, no fees. Then the transferred amount, minus 5%,
turns up in Euro on my PayPal account.
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This sounds complicated to me and I don't understand your logic. Why do it this way if it costs you a lot of extra? I use my credit card which is IMO the best solution. BTW, I never knew there is a bank in Sweden which is owned by PayPal. Which bank is it?
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