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Aaaaarh! I just sold a lens on ebay and was notified that the funds may be held by ebay for up to 21 days. This is ridiculous. I have been buying and selling things on ebay for several years now. I am not a "power seller," or anything like that, but I have a score of 92 with 100% feedback. I have been scammed a couple of times by sellers, but I have always been honest to buyers when I have sold items. I describe my items accurately and ship them fast.

I understand that holding funds is a new policy, but I think it will drive a lot of folks, including me, away from selling there.
 
Why do they say they're holding on to your money?

I've thought about listing some things but I don't want them holding on to my money like that.
 
i'm no expert, but sounds to me like they call it legal issues while they just hold onto everybody's money so they can build up their bank account and gain the interest of the money held. Insurance companies do this a lot (or so it seems), when they have a certain amount of time they have to send the funds out, they purposely hold it until the last minute, but are late to pay their bills until last minute too!
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Same with me, i'm ticked.

that's no way to do business. I've got one guy that hasn't left feedback and they hold the money until positive feeback is left, proof of delivery (just how do you get them to check that?), or 21 days has passed. whichever is first.

I can't find anywhere to get them to check the proof of delivery. I have over $400 just sitting there.... waiting.... while they draw interest on the millions sitting waiting for 21 days to pass.

grrrrr
mmditter said:
Aaaaarh! I just sold a lens on ebay and was notified that the funds
may be held by ebay for up to 21 days. This is ridiculous. I have
been buying and selling things on ebay for several years now. I am
not a "power seller," or anything like that, but I have a score of 92
with 100% feedback. I have been scammed a couple of times by sellers,
but I have always been honest to buyers when I have sold items. I
describe my items accurately and ship them fast.

I understand that holding funds is a new policy, but I think it will
drive a lot of folks, including me, away from selling there.
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Yep, same has happened to me recently. Sold an old TCon-300 lens for about $225 and had the funds held by ebay/paypal. I wasn't expecting this and almost blamed the buyer for it. But I shipped the lens and within a couple of weeks got positive feedback and proof of delivery. So I waited and waited and after 21 days still no funds released. I waited about another week, almost 28 days, and finally sent them a nasty email. Within an hour my funds were available to me.

A month after that I sold another TCon-300 for identical price, but this time no funds were held, so lets hope that this is just a one time inconvenience.
jeff
reds10 said:
that's no way to do business. I've got one guy that hasn't left
feedback and they hold the money until positive feeback is left,
proof of delivery (just how do you get them to check that?), or 21
days has passed. whichever is first.

I can't find anywhere to get them to check the proof of delivery. I
have over $400 just sitting there.... waiting.... while they draw
interest on the millions sitting waiting for 21 days to pass.

grrrrr
mmditter said:
Aaaaarh! I just sold a lens on ebay and was notified that the funds
may be held by ebay for up to 21 days. This is ridiculous. I have
been buying and selling things on ebay for several years now. I am
not a "power seller," or anything like that, but I have a score of 92
with 100% feedback. I have been scammed a couple of times by sellers,
but I have always been honest to buyers when I have sold items. I
describe my items accurately and ship them fast.

I understand that holding funds is a new policy, but I think it will
drive a lot of folks, including me, away from selling there.
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That's a bad policy for honest sellers. It's too bad they resort to this, probably related to poor sellers/buyers. I've sold hundreds of items over the years and was a power seller at one point. However, I probably won't sell there again if this policy is in place.
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Ken
 
Some times when I buy something which I am not happy with because of unreasonably slow delivery, bad quality or simply bad communications (taking long time to answer or no answer at all to my mail) I occasionally decide not to give feedback. I am aware of the seller being punished through this action (no money paid out for 21 days) and I think it is a reasonable way of punishing them. I don't want to give negative feedback and claiming money back is not possible because then I have to send the item back and that's just too much trouble and too expensive considering the postage costs from Sweden.

I am not saying you are a seller like that and I have no idea which items cause you a problem but I don't think this holding back payments is a general eBay policy.
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olyflyer said:
Some times when I buy something which I am not happy with because of
unreasonably slow delivery, bad quality or simply bad communications
(taking long time to answer or no answer at all to my mail) I
occasionally decide not to give feedback. I am aware of the seller
being punished through this action (no money paid out for 21 days)
and I think it is a reasonable way of punishing them. I don't want to
give negative feedback and claiming money back is not possible
because then I have to send the item back and that's just too much
trouble and too expensive considering the postage costs from Sweden.

I am not saying you are a seller like that and I have no idea which
items cause you a problem but I don't think this holding back
payments is a general eBay policy.
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http://www.olyflyer.blogspot.com/
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I stopped giving buyer feedback when sellers could still ding you with bad feedback for whatever reason.

I've taken this approach: I go to Home Depot, make a purchase and they say "Thanks". Instant feedback.

If I feel as if the service/product was satisfactory after delivery or sampling, I usually say "Thanks" to them; "quid pro qou".

But whenever you (seller) insist I (buyer) say "Thanks" (before you say "thanks" to me for keeping you in business)?
BALDERDASH"!

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Yes its one of many new ebay rules,there fees are bad enough without holding your money back.i sold a camera on there the other week,spares or repair no return,the buyer complain to paypal asking for his money back because its not fully working,paypal said he can have his money back if he returns the camera,he never sent it back,the buyer wanted to keep the camera and have his money back.i

The trouble is you have to accept paypal wether you want to or not,another new rule.

Ebay/paypal think they are god,and we have to do what they say.i put my auctions on Ebid,not as big as Ebay,but its all free and you can accept any payment you like.

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http://mrpeterford1860.fotopic.net/
 
peter ford said:
The trouble is you have to accept paypal wether you want to or
not,another new rule.
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Which for me, a buyer, is a good thing. This way I don't have to flash my credit card number and don't have to pay expensive bank trasfer fees, it also gives me a sort of security if my items won't be shipped.

No PayPal = No business.
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http://www.olyflyer.blogspot.com/
 
Simon Cowell said:
Hi Peter,

Is Ebid reliable for an auction site?
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Hi Simon,

Yes its been going for a good few years,its not as big as Ebay,but is getting bigger all the time,mainly beacause sellers from Ebay get fed up with Ebay fees and rules.if i want a quick sale i use ebay,if i have low value items or items i am not in no rush to sale i use Ebid.hopefully they will get as big as Ebay one day.

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http://mrpeterford1860.fotopic.net/
 
hi, I've been there , too, and , as for everyone, it ticks me off. they pretend that it is to protect you ! well - it certainly protects their account .

the way to go is to have a paypal account and get the shipping label done by paypal . Then , you have a proof of delivery as Paypal confirms it .
If a buyer does not leave a feedback soon enough , then it becomes trickier.

For me , I had proof of delivery and feedback the next day and immediately called and busted paypal to update their account and release the money . I told them that I am a big shot lawyer and if they wanted to play games with me , they were in for a loud and nasty ride . This always works , whether you are a big shot or not ( I am not , of course ) : they don't take chances and give you the money.

I stopped using ebay , too , as this kind of procedures are rip offs ; as always lately , anyone does whatever they like " for security reasons " and they expect people to shut up because , when you are a good citizen you are supposed to accept blindly every stupid security initiative they throw at you . I wish most of their customers drop them like an old pair of socks .
 
olyflyer said:
peter ford said:
The trouble is you have to accept paypal wether you want to or
not,another new rule.
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Which for me, a buyer, is a good thing. This way I don't have to
flash my credit card number and don't have to pay expensive bank
trasfer fees, it also gives me a sort of security if my items won't
be shipped.

No PayPal = No business.
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http://www.olyflyer.blogspot.com/
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Yes its good if you buy abroad,i have bought many items overseas.but why should sellers have to take paypal if they dont want to,cheque and postal order are still good for us UK sellers and you dont get charged for them.If Paypal goes bust tomorrow everybody that has money in there account will loose it because they are not a bank.When i buy a item and use paypal i like to think the seller is going to get paid with my money straight away.this is why alot of sellers are leaving Ebay and finding other ways to sell there items.

What the original poster is saying he has to wait 21 days or when feedback is left,which is out of order.This means he has to pay for postage out of his own pocket then wait for a payment.if he has to wait 21 days,he then has to transfer the money to his bank which takes anothe 5 to 7 days,so he could wait a month for a payment.

You dont go to the shops and say i will pay you in a few weeks if your goods are ok.

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olyflyer said:
No PayPal = No business.
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If Paypal is the only method of payment = No business.

I bought 99% of my digital photography stuff ( 40 items) from ebay, payed always via bank transfer (Überweisung), no problems so far.

I think it is enough if 2 banks are involved in the deal, my bank (when I´m the buyer) and the bank of the seller, no need to deal with ebay´s paypal "bank" (and their close to criminal practices) in between me and the seller!

Germany is not paypal country, nobody likes them, hope it stays like that!

René
 
Don't know if this still works, but if you refund the person 1cent it should release the funds into your paypal account.

This worked for me when i sold a lens on ebay and they kept hold of the money well past the 21 days i now no longer use ebay as it just not worth it anymore.
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Zuiko 9-18mm
Zuiko 12-60mm SWD
Zuiko 70-300mm
Olympus FL-50 Flash
 
Ixon said:
Don't know if this still works, but if you refund the person 1cent it
should release the funds into your paypal account.

This worked for me when i sold a lens on ebay and they kept hold of
the money well past the 21 days i now no longer use ebay as it just
not worth it anymore.
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Olympus E-520
Zuiko 9-18mm
Zuiko 12-60mm SWD
Zuiko 70-300mm
Olympus FL-50 Flash
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I think it still does,i have heard of people doing it,no doubt paypal will stop that if everybody starts doing it.Paypal hacked me off when they returned my bank transfer back to there account until a buyer was happy.With the 3 lots of fees and rules,i am the same as you its not worth the hassle.

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http://mrpeterford1860.fotopic.net/
 
Ebay at one time use to be great place to sell, back in the early days before they bought paypal & you could use a number of different ways to pay.

But these days due to both greed & monopolism they think they can basically do what they want & people will still sell.

But there only so much people will take, before they move onto sites like Ebid which is beginnning to grow.
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Olympus E-520
Zuiko 9-18mm
Zuiko 12-60mm SWD
Zuiko 70-300mm
Olympus FL-50 Flash
 
René Schuster said:
olyflyer said:
No PayPal = No business.
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If Paypal is the only method of payment = No business.
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Why?
René Schuster said:
I bought 99% of my digital photography stuff ( 40 items) from ebay,
payed always via bank transfer (Überweisung), no problems so far.
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Bank trasfer is not a problem, it is just an extra cost for the buyer.
René Schuster said:
I think it is enough if 2 banks are involved in the deal, my bank
(when I´m the buyer) and the bank of the seller, no need to deal with
ebay´s paypal "bank" (and their close to criminal practices) in
between me and the seller!
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What criminal practices? I honestly think you don't really know what you are talking about.
René Schuster said:
Germany is not paypal country, nobody likes them, hope it stays like
that!
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Well, I don't know about German banks, but Swedish banks are not exactly cheap if you want to do money transfer. For a buyer PayPal is definitely the best option.

You say Germany is not a PayPal country and that may be true. On the other hand, not so long ago Germany was not a credit card country either when Sweden, France and many other countries already adopted a less cash flow, no cheques, use credit cards type of living... Even today it can be a PITA to take a taxi in Germany without cash, which may be suitable for many people but not for the frequent travellers.
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I bought a bike frame, paid paypal, and within several hours, paypal listed the money as transferred to his account.. The guy waited over a week to ship, but the money was transferred right away...

penn
 
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