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small underground chatter indicating that the release of the d700 killed the s6 pro.

maybe thom will have more filler info

what i can make out is fuj iwas moving ahead with the s6 and once the d700 was announced it sort of made the s6 an un-viable camera at its price point.

the chatter also seems to indicate that fuji might be reworking this from a crop camera to a ff and call it the s7. there is not a lot of faith in this one as i have seen it twice and both times from the same source.

all of these rumors are what i would call low profile and low confidence quality stuff.
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Shame if true..they have missed the point..you buy a Fuji because it is unique in it's IQ?

Even it was around £2k in the UK, it would sell..well to me anyway. I am assuming it would be akin to a FF, in a D700 body?..but with a Fuji "Super CCD" quality sensor.

I would be happy with that I think!!
 
I just bought an S5, so I really don't mind to wait for 2 more years for the successor. I really wish that there will be one because I'm one of the late discoverers of Fuji's excellent picture quality.
 
FlossTycoon said:
Given the price range between $2500 for the D700 and $8000 for the
D3x that leaves lots of wiggle room for Fuji to price the camera.
What if it is $1500 more than the D700 or $2500 less than the D3x?
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With S3/S5 sensor pixel size a 36 x 24 mm version would have 2*14,89 MP if I remember my calculations correctly. So it seems to me they could build it into D700 body and give it a 16+16 MP sensor or one of those new ones that have higher DR without the extra set of sells. But for the S7 or what ever to be interesting enough for me to buy one it needs to have at least same DR as my S3 has in RAW, preferably 0,5-1 stop more (same is really ok), and then a 24,0 x 36,0 mm sensor with more than 14 MP resolution. If that would cost 50% more than D700 does when introduced and 25% more a year later, it would sell to same audience as before. If they could have higher resolution in it, then it might interest other users too.

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I guess it is not so much a question for Fuji to produce such a sensor, but rather to process the datastream. The S5 was considered not the fastest camera storing the data. This is not a problem for me if I get only 3 fps or even slower shootingspeed, but I think the market requires faster fps.

So a D700 body suggests that people would compare the speed of an S6/7 with the D700.

On the other hand if Fuji created a camera that had an considerable advantage over the D700 in other areas, this would probably make it very attractive.

For example: 14 stops of DR, very weak lowpassfilter or even no lowpassfilter, high color saturation, and 12s/12r pixels or more. But please don't split the features liek with the new EXR technology where you get either resolution or dynamic range.
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There is a firmware update to the S5 Pro. It shows that Fuji is still supporting this camera. If Fuji had been planning an exit from the DSLR market, it could have stopped supporting the camera and not bother writing any new firmware. It shows Fuji is not burning any bridges so to speak, but maintaining the good will of its customers. What this may lead to is a totally different question.
Bad Pic kev said:
small underground chatter indicating that the release of the d700
killed the s6 pro.

maybe thom will have more filler info

what i can make out is fuj iwas moving ahead with the s6 and once the
d700 was announced it sort of made the s6 an un-viable camera at its
price point.

the chatter also seems to indicate that fuji might be reworking this
from a crop camera to a ff and call it the s7.
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I have maintained for a long time that Fuji needs to move to full frame to be taken seriously. The days of APS-C cameras being considered high end probably ended when Nikon released the D700. The high end now belongs to full frame models. Cameras like the D300 and Canon 50D can only be sold for a few hundred dollars more than a Digital Rebel from now on. No one can hope to sell APS-C models for very much more than a thousand dollars. Even the S5 has fallen below a thousand dollars in price.
Bad Pic kev said:
there is not a lot of
faith in this one as i have seen it twice and both times from the
same source.

all of these rumors are what i would call low profile and low
confidence quality stuff.
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Whether there will be an S7 will depend on how Fujifilm views the potential market for it. That is unpredictable.
 
Anastigmat said:
There is a firmware update to the S5 Pro. It shows that Fuji is
still supporting this camera. If Fuji had been planning an exit from
the DSLR market, it could have stopped supporting the camera and not
bother writing any new firmware. It shows Fuji is not burning any
bridges so to speak, but maintaining the good will of its customers.
What this may lead to is a totally different question.
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Fujifilm is an honorable company
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Anastigmat said:
I have maintained for a long time that Fuji needs to move to full
frame to be taken seriously. The days of APS-C cameras being
considered high end probably ended when Nikon released the D700. The
high end now belongs to full frame models. Cameras like the D300 and
Canon 50D can only be sold for a few hundred dollars more than a
Digital Rebel from now on. No one can hope to sell APS-C models for
very much more than a thousand dollars. Even the S5 has fallen below
a thousand dollars in price.
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Anastigmat said:
Whether there will be an S7 will depend on how Fujifilm views the
potential market for it. That is unpredictable.
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I have owned an S1, S2 and S3 ...I skipped the S5 & got a Leica M8 which I love

I want a DSLR for telephoto work and for macros, which are not in a rangefinder's repertoire
for both of these purposes, a FF DSLR has disadvantages

in the F mount (for which I have some wonderful lenses) the present best APS camera is the D300, which I have considered, but which does not quite satisfy regarding colors/tonality I have seen from its CMOS sensor
I am hoping the APS sensor will not be abandoned

a 12/12 dual site SCCD in APS would have a market (there are lots of folks who shoot tele & macros out there) and Fujifilm could pull this off using the technological legerdemain they have demonstrated with their PS line
for a CCD based sensor FF may be prohibitively expensive

OTOH Fujifilm seems to be emphasizing its medical imaging business & may not ever produce another DSLR ...I cannot believe the R&D invested in its organic sensor will not come into the market, but it may do this badged as a Nikon

the "Big" announcement from Nikon is due in February & may just be such a breakthrough camera
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My view on all around the Nikon market gives a good filling that the follower of S5 (S6 or more probably S7) will be released in 6-12 months after Nikon D700X with 24 MP sensor.

The reason of it is that Nikon would not like to give opportunity to the partner (Fuji) to build FF camera with "higher" resolution.

Lets wait till Nikon upgrade D700 to 24 MP, and another 6-12 months for Fuji S7 Pro come up!!!

So it is another 12-18 months to wait... I hope it will take less!

Cheers,
Slava
 
strange reasoning ? who wants a FF fuji with higher MP than nikon ?
in that case you are looking forward to 100MB raf files !!

fuji is a leage on its own and doesn't have to compete on things like MP as all the others have to do.

more interested to see how much additional DR is added if an S6 FF comes out :)
 
I am hoping there will always be a place for APS as there will be for FF.

There was always a place for 35mm and MF to co-exist.

Given the investment of some companies in DX lenses, including all the big names + Tokina..who now have pretty much dropped there whole FF range, Sigma, Tamron, etc would seem to indicate the survival of APS.

Apart from the "long lens" benefits some of these DX lenses are very, very sharp and the pixel density often out performs their FF cousins, which may also have more problems with optics.

The D700 is a superb camera but really only brings benefits over the D300 at higher iso..and if you want the pixel density of the D300 you are looking at the D3x!!

It's down to the sensor these days..if Fuji could perfect a high res. sensor with great high iso performance by moving away from the standard Bayer layout, I would expect them still to be able to sell higher volume with a DX design?
 
I think Fujifilm should forget the DXX body and just buy F6 from nikon

use the F6 body ( nikon top film body ) and put whatever best sensor available and go back to the day S2pro is made.

As long as F6 is in still in production, fujifilm can put whatever they like into it , chop factor CCD , FX CCD will never be an issue in this case.

A 6-7K USD Fujifilm camera with FX CCD + F6 body will be very competitive to D3X

F6 body sell cheaper than a D700 anyway.

F6 body + fujifilm sensor will be a very fantastic camera , the only problem is nikon may hate fujifilm enough to let F6 out of production and shutdown the film body line lol
 
Oh this could be the better of my dreams to be realized, as user of F6 and S5!!! I would like this even it is fiction!!!
 
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